>> its a general philosophy of design and openness > FYI, I'm busy on such a topic for my Ph.D dissertation and will be happy > to share the results once finished. and I ll be happy to read and comment ;)
>> > it is more about principles. Let's list some: >> > >> > - freedom of choice, >> > - interchangealility of solutions to a given need, >> > - reduce inter-dependencies to the strict minimum >> I keep those 3 for my idea of a "roots linux" foundation > let me recommend you use the term GNU/Linux. Probably even more than the > Linux kernel development, it is the GNU project that kept alive such > principles of design in user-space. yes you are rigt and I know it; i ve been trying to say gnu/inux for years, but not everything is gnu on this linux system . . . perhaps I should say FOSS/linux or libre/linux . . .or, well, now its going to be systemd-linux . . . > also please consider the Dyne.org foundation as an ally in your quest to > start a new foundation, or perhaps as an existing device you can use to > bring forward the activities you intend to promote with your idea of a > foundation. > Managing an institutional shell for free software projects is an effort > that can well be shared, if transparence on intentions and coincidence > of ideals is there. for now its just an idea I have, something I feel logical and necessary , trying to gather the people from devuan, from gentoo, from eudev, mdev, consolekit2, trios, trinity and probably many more projects. > If you like to share, I'd be interested in knowing what you envision > would be the activities such a foundation should carry on. Even when > talking about philosophy and design I think it is very important to > bring examples and concrete projects that are vectors for people's > action. as I said its just an idea i want to share, hoping that more people will think its something that could be useful for the good cause. at the very least, i think the goal and activities of this possible foundation should be : * trying to help funding necessary developments, through sponsors and donations * trying to get people from different projects to work together on the necessary alternatives, trying to gather efforts one one udev alternative ( eudev ? ) , on one logind atlternative ( consolekit2 ? ), on one init system alternative ( openrc ? ) * trying to better define the goals and philosophy we defend ( I d say kiss, architecture allowing alternatives most everywhere, one small brick doing only one thing but doing well, easy to understand and customize stuff, what else ? ) once again those are just personal ideas, the foundation could be whatever people think could be useful or necessary for the cause, i dont even plan to make this foundation myself, I just want people to think of it ;) > >> great idea, KISS is a short and simple word that could summarize most >> of the important ideas, a kiss, for you, from the roots of linux >> could be an idea for a logo ! > > I guess this isn't the best way to introduce Devuan to the public: its a > bit too pretextuous to incarnate the roots of the Linux kernel > development. well we could say the roots of UNIX. Once again, i have to admin when i say linux, i dont think of the kernel, but as the whole system the is a new unix, i say linux like you could say solaris or aix > We are still struggling to produce an alpha and I wish our > communication reflects the current phase of the progress rather than > more ideals than those we already stated in the public and that also > raised some educated skepticism and criticism as they weren't yet based > on concrete achievements. agreed, i m anxiously waiting for a beta to try and test on my thinkpad laptop, after that i plan to contribute by maintaining a grsec kernel. > Said that, I hope this message does not discourage you, but helps > channel the enthusiasm in good productive ways. not at all, intelligent criticism is always welcome, and anyway . . .even insults cant discourage me when I think something is fair/rightful/needed ;) but once again its just an idea i want to share, hoping other people will be interested. > > ciao > > -- > Jaromil, Dyne.org Free Software Foundry (est. 2000) > We are free to share code and we code to share freedom > Web: https://j.dyne.org Contact: https://j.dyne.org/c.vcf > GPG: 6113 D89C A825 C5CE DD02 C872 73B3 5DA5 4ACB 7D10 > Confidential communications: https://keybase.io/jaromil > _______________________________________________ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
