On 2017-07-21 19:06, KatolaZ wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 11:45:23AM -0400, Boruch Baum wrote:
> > On 2017-07-22 00:23, Ralph Ronnquist wrote:
> > > Boruch Baum wrote on 21/07/17 23:50:
> > > > Where else should I be looking?
> > >
> > >
On 2017-07-22 00:23, Ralph Ronnquist wrote:
> Boruch Baum wrote on 21/07/17 23:50:
> > Where else should I be looking?
>
> Perhaps you've set "APT::Default-Release "jessie";" ?
>
> Without that, you'll get the more balanced pinning of 500 and
On 2017-07-21 14:14, KatolaZ wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 08:39:50AM -0400, Boruch Baum wrote:
>
> Just to clarify, and since you are talking about "default" pin levels:
> the default pin level of standard Devuan repositories is 500. The
> default for backports and
On 2017-07-21 14:01, KatolaZ wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 08:46:27AM -0400, Boruch Baum wrote:
> > On 2017-07-21 13:24, KatolaZ wrote:
> > > Please check this first, since dozens of people are using reportbug
> > > from jessie, and their bugs are correctly
On 2017-07-21 13:57, KatolaZ wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 08:39:50AM -0400, Boruch Baum wrote:
> > Thanks for a quick response.
> >
> >
> > On 2017-07-21 13:24, KatolaZ wrote:
> > > Which version of reportbug are you using?
> >
> > The offe
either confirmation nor email
bounce from any, nor does a search at http://bugs.devuan.org/ show
record of reciept of any of my emails. Attached is a copy of one of the
three emailed bug reports.
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From: Boruch Baum
To: Devu
Thanks for a quick response.
On 2017-07-21 13:24, KatolaZ wrote:
> Which version of reportbug are you using?
The offending version was 6.6.6~bpo8+1, and the upgraded (current)
version is 7.1.6+devuan2.1.
> jessie has 6.6.3+devuan1.3,
That version does show up on my apt-cache policy output, pin
Earlier today, I filed a bug report against the devuan testing version
of 'mutt', but because I was using the stable version of devuan, and the
stable version of reportbug, the report went to debian.
Now, that was incompetent. Was it incompetent of me or of devuan or
both?
Updating a recipient e
Hello all,
I'd like to get a few comments in to the devuan developers before a
"fix" is decided upon. I'll also share the anecdote of how a separate
problem in the devuan infrastructure indirectly saved me from falling
victim to this incident:
1] IMO, the issue isn't really that devuan wasn't pre
Congratulations!
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Thank you, ma'am.
On 2017-03-15 19:39, goli...@dyne.org wrote:
> On 2017-03-15 19:18, Boruch Baum wrote:
> >
> >3] For EVERYONE on the list, not just Hendrick: Would SOMEONE *PLEASE*
> >just answer the only question ( and what I thought was a simple and
> >strai
kages bug summary page.
On 2017-03-15 18:56, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 04:17:23PM -0400, Boruch Baum wrote:
> > Hello all,
> >
> > I recently submitted what I considered a 'grave' bugreport to
> > debian[1], which had its severity downgraded t
Hello all,
I recently submitted what I considered a 'grave' bugreport to
debian[1], which had its severity downgraded to 'wishlist' and its
title changed, all because of systemd, which I suspect is irrelevant
to my report. Where in devuan web-space should I cross-post the report
and its fix?
[1]
This is addressed primarily to anyone on this list who is a math
educator or a sysadmin in an educational instution, but may be of
interest to others with an interest in improving the debian standards
for packaging software.
I recently reported the following to debian:
https://bugs.debian.org/c
..
On 2016-05-24 12:50, Jaromil wrote:
> ...
> I agree with Robert the multi-lang support is very important and very
> well implemented in Emacs. Since many years all my work depends from
> Emacs. I've had the chance to offer a dinner to RMS for my gratitude
> for Emacs and I'll do that with an
> On Mon, 23 May 2016, Irrwahn wrote:
>> ...
>> Maybe if someone could add some system init code and process
>> supervision functionality to it ...
For process supervision, try 'M-x proced', a "mode for displaying
system processes and sending signals to them".
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On 2016-05-18 21:27, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> On Wed, 18 May 2016 13:05:31 -0400, Boruch wrote in message
> > Sounds to me like an issue with 'pam', and that you're fix will be in
> > /etc/pam.d.
> > ...
>
> ..thanks, I'll try this next if the pam diagnosis fails.
Glad to be of help. Let us know
On 2016-05-18 18:24, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> DNG, I'm still left with runlevel 1, the damned thin will only
> accept root's passwd on the console, I can start and run ssh and X
> etc all day, and it works all nice except I have my password
> rejected once I try a login.
Sounds to me like an issue wi
On 2016-05-18 12:11, Svante Signell wrote:
> > ...
> I'm listed as a co-maintainer of openrc (as well as ifupdown). However, due to
> the hostile environment in Debian I'm reluctant to do any serious work on
> these
> packages, except contributing to RC bugs being solved, to keep them in
> testin
@KatolaZ (and everyone else): I just took the 2016-05-17 iteration of
devuan-minimal for a short spin, and here are my notes. In summary, it
seems to be a nicely prepared iso, with features that I've found
overlooked in much larger distros that make attempts to be minimal.
Nice work!
devuan-minima
On 2016-05-13 16:21, Go Linux wrote:
> On Fri, 5/13/16, Boruch Baum wrote:
> > On 2016-05-13 15:20, Go Linux wrote:
> >> On Fri, 5/13/16, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> >> > Yes that's a nice colour I see at start-up. I wouldn't mind having
> >> >
@'Hendrik Bloom':
I no longer have SliM installed on my Devuan machine, but I remember
that the background image was set in a file named something like
'/etc/slim.conf' or '/etc/slim/slim.conf' or
'/usr/share/slim/slim.conf'
@'Go Linux':
Why not just tell Hendrik how to change the background himse
On 2016-05-09 00:18, Peter Olson wrote:
> So, I installed the Devuan beta a few days ago and it is great, rather it
> almost
> mostly works. I probably need an audio driver installed. I want to see what
> the old system had installed.
>
> So I cleared out another partition and moved the backup
On 2016-05-09 00:18, Peter Olson wrote:
> So, I installed the Devuan beta a few days ago and it is great, rather it
> almost
> mostly works. I probably need an audio driver installed. I want to see what
> the old system had installed.
>
> So I cleared out another partition and moved the backup
FWIW, +1 for lightdm. I switched in order to get keyboard and mouse
navigation to the greeter options. For integration with xfce, I did
need to perform a few extra steps. From memory, the 'switch user'
feature needed to be altered to use 'dm-tool' instead of
'gdmflexiserver', I ended up totally rem
FWIW, +1 for lightdm. I switched in order to get keyboard and mouse
navigation to the greeter options. For integration with xfce, I did
need to perform a few extra steps. From memory, the 'switch user'
feature needed to be altered to use 'dm-tool' instead of
'gdmflexiserver', I ended up totally rem
On 2016-05-02 08:12, fsmithred wrote:
> No support for file system labels at this time. If someone can tell me a
> reliable way for unprivileged user to get the labels, I'll add it. Feel
> free to use these scripts as they are or as motivation to create something
> better.
Are you looking for?:
On 2016-05-03 01:19, parazyd wrote:
> The current init system is old. Ancient. We should all agree on it.
> Devuan is looking for a new init system that is not systemd and my
> personal choice for this task from now on is Gentoo's OpenRC.
> ...
I use a version of Manjaro linux built for openRC, and
On 04/16/2016 01:22 PM, aitor_czr wrote:
> I'm advancing with simple-netaid-gtk3. You can download the following
> video:
>
> wget http://gnuinos.org/simple-netaid-gtk3/snetaid
I'd be game to try it.
1] What are its design goals, and what deficiency in other options (eg
package 'wi-cd') is it try
When the devuan installer created the filesystem for my / mountpoint
ext4 file system, it set the parameters 'max-mount-counts' to -1 and
'interval-between-checks' to 0, meaning that the root filesystem would
only be checked by manual sysadmin intervention.
From the 'tune2fs' man page:
"It is str
I had posted earlier here how icedove was installing google-calendar and
iceowl, due to a 'recommends'. The issue turns out to have been a bug
reported to debian, that went to archive without any action. If anyone
here wants to comment there, see: 820...@bugs.debian.org
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On 04/14/2016 06:45 AM, Rainer H. Rauschenberg wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Apr 2016, Boruch Baum wrote:
>
>> 1] The devuan installer shouldn't include bluetooth as a default kernel
>> module.
>
> IMHO the devuan installer only should deviate from the debian installer
>
Earlier I posted how to change the slim greeter theme to make it more
consistent with other devuan elements that I had found already in the
install. I did a little more tweaking of it, and here is a link to the
current screenshot, actual files to copy, and place to comment:
https://git.devuan.or
On 04/12/2016 08:44 PM, Simon Walter wrote:
>
> On 2016/04/13 3:03, Jaromil wrote:
>> Now if you like this project to thrive then please lower the
>> aggression you also recognize as disruptive in other projects. Let go,
>> ignore what is not interesting. Noone here needs an expert to give an
>> o
Though my hardware does include bluetooth capability, I had never
explicitly asked for any form of bluetooth to be installed on my system,
and was surprised (puzzled, alarmed, annoyed) to see among my scrolling
boot messages, a warning that a bluetooth patch was failing to load.
Looking at 'dmesg'
On 04/12/2016 08:41 AM, Mitt Green wrote:
> Boruch Baum wrote:
>> No improvement.
>
> This requires, certainly, consolekit to be installed
Check. But see below, final paragraph.
> and. xinitrc with "startxfce4 --with-ck-launch"
Hmm. I've got "exec ck
No improvement.
On 04/12/2016 01:32 AM, Mitt Green wrote:
> Boruch Baum wrote:
>
>> I don't yet have a working solution for 'switch-users',
>> 'shutdown', or 'restart'.
>
> Try these:
> create /etc/polkit-1/loca
On 04/12/2016 01:32 AM, Mitt Green wrote:
> Boruch Baum wrote:
>
>> I don't yet have a working solution for 'switch-users',
>> 'shutdown', or 'restart'.
>
> Try these:
Thanks, Mitt. I had tried those earlier (along with the parallel act
On 04/12/2016 01:36 AM, Go Linux wrote:
> On Mon, 4/11/16, Boruch Baum wrote:
> On 04/11/2016 09:40 PM, Go Linux wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 4/11/16, Boruch Baum wrote:
>>>> Upon adding a GUI on top of a pre-existing cli-only install of
>>>> devuan-alpha-
On 04/12/2016 02:27 AM, Jaromil wrote:
>
> I have created an issue to keep track of the ongoing research
>
> https://git.devuan.org/devuan-packages/policykit-1/issues/5
>
> thanks!
You're welcome. GoLinux's response may indicate that my problem is NOT
due to polkit. I'll explain in my response t
On 04/11/2016 09:40 PM, Go Linux wrote:
> On Mon, 4/11/16, Boruch Baum wrote:
>> Upon adding a GUI on top of a pre-existing cli-only install of
>> devuan-alpha-4, the functionality of suspend, hibernate, switch-users,
>> shutdown and restart were unavailable to the desktop
Upon adding a GUI on top of a pre-existing cli-only install of
devuan-alpha-4, the functionality of suspend, hibernate, switch-users,
shutdown and restart were unavailable to the desktop user.
The easy solution for suspend and hibernate is to create a pkla file in
folder /etc/polkit-1/localauthori
When I originally installed devuan-alpha for evaluation, I did so only
for the basic cli-only system, and only recently added a GUI.
1] The slim greeter theme is inconsistent with the rest of the devuan
theme, even though all the files are in place to make it consistent.
1.1] How to do it on your
On 03/22/2016 06:04 AM, Jaromil wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Mar 2016, Boruch Baum wrote:
>
>> On that note, I'll chime in and say that I hate the red greeter
>> screen of the installer.
>
> CenturionDan also reported that the theme is causing problems to the
> cd-install
On 04/07/2016 01:05 PM, Rainer Weikusat wrote:
> "Jack L. Frost" writes:
>> On Sun, Apr 03, 2016 at 08:17:32PM -0400, Boruch Baum wrote:
>>> Please consider setting the default /etc/fstab to include:
>>>
>>> proc/proc procd
On 04/07/2016 07:40 AM, hellekin wrote:
> In case you didn't notice, all servers are now using proper TLS
> certificates from Let's Encrypt, except one host: files.devuan.org, that
> mysteriously failed to acquire some. So this one is using a free
> certificate from Startcom.
>
> If you encounter
On 04/05/2016 01:33 AM, Robert Storey wrote:
>>> I'm getting a bit uncomfortable about starting this thread, because upon
>>> reflection, it seems that one consequence of setting the system-wide may
>>> be that the 027 umask will end up having some system account creating a
>>> file that should be
On 04/04/2016 11:22 AM, Rainer Weikusat wrote:
> Boruch Baum writes:
>> Please consider setting the default /etc/fstab to include:
>>
>> proc/proc procdefaults,hidepid=2
>>
>> This has the effect of keeping the specific activities,
I'm NOT specifically ranting against either Simon or Trond below. I'm
addressing the wider issue, that I think is pretty obvious to anyone
following this list for any amount of time.
On 04/04/2016 09:00 AM, Simon Walter wrote:
> On 2016/04/04 17:39, Trond Arild Ydersbond wrote:
>> Den Mandag, 4. a
On 04/04/2016 06:17 AM, tilt! wrote:
> Am 04.04.2016 um 04:54 schrieb fsmithred:
>>session optional pam_umask.so umask=0022"
>
> Add such customization to
>
>/etc/pam.d/common-session
>
> instead. The statement should appear after the end of the block that is
> automatically updated by "
The default install for icedove also installs packages
'calendar-google-overview' and 'iceowl-extension'. I don't remember such
in any other install of icedove or thunderbird.
Personally, I'm in the camp of opposing the integration of mail and
calendar, kind of out of the same sensibility that has
Please consider setting the default /etc/fstab to include:
proc/proc procdefaults,hidepid=2
This has the effect of keeping the specific activities, process ids,
command lines and parameters of a user from other users.
If you're not familiar with this, even if you don't
Well, since devuan is a form of linux, which is supposed to be a
multi-user system, I went ahead and created a second user, and was
surprised with the defaults. Since I was using an an alpha version of
the distro, I mentioning the following in case they were oversights.
1] /etc/default/useradd. I
On 04/02/2016 12:34 PM, Rainer Weikusat wrote:
> Adam Borowski writes:
>> On Fri, Apr 01, 2016 at 12:58:23PM -0400, Boruch Baum wrote:
>>> Just looking at issues with the devuan default desktop's screensave, and
>>> its config file: ~/.xscreensaver file, posted h
On 04/01/2016 08:55 PM, Robert Storey wrote:
>> Adam Borowski wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 01, 2016 at 12:58:23PM -0400, Boruch Baum wrote:
>>> Just looking at issues with the devuan default desktop's screensave, and
>>> its config file: ~/.xscreensaver file,
On 04/01/2016 03:18 PM, Daniel Reurich wrote:
> On 02/04/16 07:58, Boruch Baum wrote:
>> On 04/01/2016 02:31 PM, Adam Borowski wrote:
>>> On Fri, Apr 01, 2016 at 12:58:23PM -0400, Boruch Baum wrote:
>>>> Just looking at issues with the devuan default desktop's s
SORRY ADAM!
I didn't read your link till after I hit send! Everything is in your
link. Thanks for providing it.
On 04/01/2016 02:31 PM, Adam Borowski wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 01, 2016 at 12:58:23PM -0400, Boruch Baum wrote:
>> Just looking at issues with the devuan default desktop
On 04/01/2016 02:31 PM, Adam Borowski wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 01, 2016 at 12:58:23PM -0400, Boruch Baum wrote:
>> Just looking at issues with the devuan default desktop's screensave, and
>> its config file: ~/.xscreensaver file, posted here for the attention of
>> the maint
Just looking at issues with the devuan default desktop's screensave, and
its config file: ~/.xscreensaver file, posted here for the attention of
the maintainers and the interest of members of the list.
1] Obnoxious nag messages - All logins to the devuan default desktop
begin with not one but two
Just looking through the /etc/slim.conf file, and I see a few things
other members of the list might be interested in, and the maintainers
may want to consider.
1] default path - does not need to include 'games' folders
2] suspend command - need not be commented out, but the correct command
in de
At this point, after some more testing and fiddling, my questions are:
1] why is systemd-shim necessary (see below, after original message)?
2] why is devuan installing xfce4-power-manager with its seemingly
unnecessary recommendation of systemd?
On 03/31/2016 03:52 PM, Boruch Baum wrote:
> A
Am I the only one who hasn't noticed this yet? What am I missing?
( posted in parallel at:
https://git.devuan.org/devuan-packages/sysvinit/issues/14 )
I installed the default devuan desktop package today, using the devuan
installer, and on my first boot, instead of using the graphical
installer,
On 03/29/2016 10:10 AM, Rainer Weikusat wrote:
> Boruch Baum writes:
>
> [...]
>
>> 4] The third set of downloads, for the additional system components,
>> should have been the easy lift. What I did was deselect the options for
>> a desktop and for a print server
On 03/29/2016 12:33 AM, Gregory Nowak wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 06:30:42PM -0400, Boruch Baum wrote:
>> 4.1] Was it a case of 'fat-fingerng'? I don't think so, but it's
>> asking a lot to attempt to re-create this because with slow
>> bandwidth, each
Short version: From the screen that lets the user select specific system
components to install, eg. XFCE, print server, SSH server, when I tabbed
to the selection "go back" with the intention of getting the main menu,
what happened instead was the installer began downloading "1173
packages". The on
Why on this list, of all the possible places in Creation? It's a great
and important topic, but have you found no other, more appropriate forum?
On 03/28/2016 02:50 AM, Edward Bartolo wrote:
> Hi,
>
> As the title of the email indicates, I am doing some exercises to make
> sense out of C pointer
On 03/23/2016 01:01 AM, Go Linux wrote:
> On Tue, 3/22/16, Daniel Reurich wrote:
>
>>
>> Given that suspend2disk uses the swap volume I'd recommend never
>> using the same swap space for different linux systems anyway in a
>> multi-boot setup.
>>
>
> -
On 03/23/2016 12:19 AM, Daniel Reurich wrote:
> Hi Boruch,
Good morning!
>
> On 22/03/16 09:29, Boruch Baum wrote:
>> On today's install device, I had a pre-existing linux with a swap
>> partition on the disk, and the partitioner insisted on
>> re-formatting it.
uggest
removing that, as an annoyance.
On 03/22/2016 06:04 AM, Jaromil wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Mar 2016, Boruch Baum wrote:
>
>> On that note, I'll chime in and say that I hate the red greeter
>> screen of the installer.
>
> CenturionDan also reported that the theme is cau
On 03/21/2016 09:50 PM, Adam Borowski wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 05:19:33PM -0400, Boruch Baum wrote:
>> 1] For a day-to-day changing alpha release it makes plenty of sense to
>> keep the initial download as small as possible, since so much is
>> expected to change as pa
On 03/21/2016 09:02 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 05:19:33PM -0400, Boruch Baum wrote:
>>
>> 3] One complicated solution would be to not destroy
>> /var/cache/apt/archive on the target when re-installing. It could be
>> done by having the installer s
The devuan grub package contains debian-ized files:
1] /etc/grub.d/05_debian_theme
This file could be renamed devuan_theme, but some of the current content
would need to be changed or removed. It currently includes a case
statement for "Tanglu|Ubuntu|Kubuntu", which isn't necessary, and the
remai
On 03/21/2016 06:19 PM, Rainer Weikusat wrote:
> Boruch Baum writes:
>> 1] For a day-to-day changing alpha release it makes plenty of sense to
>> keep the initial download as small as possible, since so much is
>> expected to change as part of the development process.
>&
This is another documentation issue in the text of the installer, this
time the message returned upon failure to connect to the network. The
message (in my case erroneously) jumps to the conclusion that the
network 'probably isn't using DHCP'. That's bound to confuse people most
prone to confusion
I installed devuan today while in the USA, and was properly prompted for
a selection of USA timezones. That starts out as a good feature, as many
other installers just offer all timezones. However, the devuan subset
wasn't labeled in conformance with the names of the IANA tzdata
database[1], which
On 03/21/2016 05:04 PM, Go Linux wrote:
> On Mon, 3/21/16, Boruch Baum wrote:
>
> Subject: [DNG] Installer 'Firmware' partition
> To: dng@lists.dyne.org
> Date: Monday, March 21, 2016, 3:51 PM
>
>>
>> This is another nice touch in the installer, an
Bad suggestion, Adam. I don't know that the debian installer acts that
way. The issue is that the devuan installer is deciding on its own to
re-format an existing swap partition.
On 03/21/2016 05:17 PM, Adam Borowski wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 04:29:47PM -0400, Boruch Baum wrot
1] For a day-to-day changing alpha release it makes plenty of sense to
keep the initial download as small as possible, since so much is
expected to change as part of the development process.
2] OTOH, a developer wants to encourage people to test the install and
the release often, so it makes sense
This is just a typo in the installer, but the kind of typo that would
make users and cynics snicker: the mirror selection remark says
'usually ftp...debian.org is a good choice'. I reported this also in the
alph2 installer a few months back.
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This is another nice touch in the installer, and its a shame that its
insufficiently documented, so I'd like to suggest that some text be
added to an installer window to let users know.
When the installer performs 'detect network hardware' and detects
non-free firmware, it goes the extra mile and
I thought this was a very nice touch, to have in the installer, so I
tried it!
Time to quibble:
1] The feature lacks instructions, which would be an obstacle for it to
be performed by those who probably would most want to perform it - the
least experienced users.
2] I was expecting the obvious o
On today's install device, I had a pre-existing linux with a swap
partition on the disk, and the partitioner insisted on re-formatting it.
This is BAD. It changes the UUID of the swap partition, which messes up
the other operating systems on the device, because the recent 'best
practice' has been t
Two minor annoyance issues, and one curiosity, in today's install of
devuan-cli:
1] sudo is not installed by default
2] Even though the installer asked me my brand of English, it installed
a second spelling dictionary, 'ibritish'.
3] Why are both gcc-4.8 and 4.9 installed?
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I just installed devuan, without a desktop, yet I ended up with over 35
packages installed that are X11 related. After some tracing, I see that
this is the same issue that I reported a few months ago: the default
install for a no-X devuan in choosing package 'pinentry-gtk2' instead of
'pinentry-cur
Can anyone answer:
1] Does this vulnerability apply when the UEFI is operating in "legacy
boot" mode instead of "secure boot" mode? I recall that when I was
originally setting up my only UEFI-equipped device that there were
differences between the two modes in how I needed to set up the
partition
Has anyone experience sending e-mail to the listed contact e-mail for
the project ? I just tried, and got bounced by a
purported "SPF: mechanism" error:
BEGIN ===
corellia.eurodns.com rejected a message that claimed an envelope sender
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