Matthew Selsky via devel :
> Eric, didn't you file a ticket with waf
> (https://github.com/waf-project/waf/issues/1897) for this same issue in
> January 2017?
That's clearly the same functional issue, but at the time I did not yet have
any idea that waf itself was (even partly) the victim of an
On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 07:30:02PM -0400, Eric S. Raymond via devel wrote:
> Gary E. Miller via devel :
> > > 2. Gary files a bug upstream to the Python devs detailing how
> > > get_python_lib() is implicated in FHS nonconformance. Gary, you
> > > willing?
> >
> > I'm feeling like a broken record.
Fred Wright via devel :
>
> On Tue, 26 Sep 2017, Eric S. Raymond wrote:
> > Fred Wright via devel :
> >
> > > BTW, I have a tool that lists a few things including the library paths for
> > > every version of Python it can find on the system. I can submit it to
> > > devel/ if you like.
> >
> > Pl
Gary E. Miller via devel :
> > 2. Gary files a bug upstream to the Python devs detailing how
> > get_python_lib() is implicated in FHS nonconformance. Gary, you
> > willing?
>
> I'm feeling like a broken record. The current behavior is a feature,
> not a bug. You know I love to bash Python, but
On Tue, 26 Sep 2017, Eric S. Raymond wrote:
> Fred Wright via devel :
>
> > BTW, I have a tool that lists a few things including the library paths for
> > every version of Python it can find on the system. I can submit it to
> > devel/ if you like.
>
> Please do.
MR submitted.
Fred Wright
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Yo Eric!
On Tue, 26 Sep 2017 18:55:31 -0400
"Eric S. Raymond via devel" wrote:
> > > Does this means the FHS nonconformance isc an upstream bug?
> >
> > Exactly. And one that nobody bothered to complain about for GPSD.
>
> Well, *that* changes things a lot.
>
> 2. Gary files a bug upstre
Fred Wright via devel :
>
> On Tue, 26 Sep 2017, Eric S. Raymond wrote:
> > Fred Wright via devel :
> > > > Not Gentoo, the FHS. And the package I am using is git head.
> > >
> > > The point is that the portable way to determine where to install the
> > > libraries is to ask Python via the get_py
Yo Fred!
On Tue, 26 Sep 2017 15:16:50 -0700 (PDT)
Fred Wright via devel wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Sep 2017, Eric S. Raymond wrote:
> > Fred Wright via devel :
> > > > Not Gentoo, the FHS. And the package I am using is git head.
> > >
> > > The point is that the portable way to determine where to
On Tue, 26 Sep 2017, Eric S. Raymond wrote:
> Fred Wright via devel :
> > > Not Gentoo, the FHS. And the package I am using is git head.
> >
> > The point is that the portable way to determine where to install the
> > libraries is to ask Python via the get_python_lib() function. Whatever it
> >
Gary E. Miller via devel :
> Locally installed user source is supposed to go in /usr/local/.
>
> System packages are supposed to go in /usr/
>
> Not obeying the 30 year old convention of wchich to pick is bad. But
> the new patches put some in /usr and some in /usr/local/which is just
> wrong.
Fred Wright via devel :
> > Not Gentoo, the FHS. And the package I am using is git head.
>
> The point is that the portable way to determine where to install the
> libraries is to ask Python via the get_python_lib() function. Whatever it
> returns (as long as you don't supply the 'prefix' argume
Yo Fred!
On Tue, 26 Sep 2017 14:08:56 -0700 (PDT)
Fred Wright via devel wrote:
> Resending with the correct subject.
>
> On Tue, 26 Sep 2017, Eric S. Raymond wrote:
> > Fred Wright via devel :
> > > > Plus these are most likely too late for 1.0. We are in the
> > > > final testing phases now
Resending with the correct subject.
On Tue, 26 Sep 2017, Eric S. Raymond wrote:
> Fred Wright via devel :
> > > Plus these are most likely too late for 1.0. We are in the final
> > > testing phases now.
> >
> > I think requiring users to set PYTHONPATH to run the tools should be
> > considered a
Yo Fred!
On Tue, 26 Sep 2017 00:15:04 -0700 (PDT)
Fred Wright via devel wrote:
> If the directory choice on gentoo is inappropriate, take that up with
> whomever packaged Python for it.
Not Gentoo, the FHS. And the package I am using is git head.
RGDS
GARY
Yo Daniele!
On Mon, 25 Sep 2017 22:24:39 -0600
Daniele Nicolodi via devel wrote:
> > The default gentoo PYTHONPATH onlly looks for system installed
> > python libs. We don't want to install NTPsec python files in the
> > system reserved directories. Thus PYTHONPATH is the only
> > solution.
Hal Murray :
> > And I would so regard it if [setting PYTHONPATH] were ever required on
> > Linux or FreeBSD. I have had no report of this.
>
> It's required on Fedora. I set it up ages ago. I think that was the
>
> I get the same on FreeBSD.
Well, shit. That changes things.
Now we have to
> I will audit them, but dropping this in the day before release doesn't just
> seem like asking for trouble, it seems like screaming WE WANT TO EMBARRASS
> OURSELVES.
Then put it on the known glitch list and fix it in 1.x
> And I would so regard it if this were ever required on Linux or FreeB
Fred Wright via devel :
> > Plus these are most likely too late for 1.0. We are in the final
> > testing phases now.
>
> I think requiring users to set PYTHONPATH to run the tools should be
> considered a show stopper for a 1.0 release.
And I would so regard it if this were ever required on Linu
Daniele Nicolodi via devel :
> Delivering a 1.0 release that requires fiddling with PYTHONPATH to use
> the application would make the project look like it is run by amateurs.
> I think that is not the impression you want to give.
I'm sensitive to this issue. PYTHONPATH fiddling is never required
On Mon, 25 Sep 2017, Gary E. Miller via devel wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Sep 2017 20:26:44 -0700 (PDT)
> Fred Wright via devel wrote:
>
> > 1) Waf misuses get_python_lib() in a way that often gets the wrong
> > result, with the effect of installing the libraries in a location
> > where Python doesn't lo
On 25/09/17 21:56, Gary E. Miller via devel wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Sep 2017 20:26:44 -0700 (PDT)
> Fred Wright via devel wrote:
>
>> 1) Waf misuses get_python_lib() in a way that often gets the wrong
>> result, with the effect of installing the libraries in a location
>> where Python doesn't look fo
Yo Fred!
On Mon, 25 Sep 2017 20:26:44 -0700 (PDT)
Fred Wright via devel wrote:
> 1) Waf misuses get_python_lib() in a way that often gets the wrong
> result, with the effect of installing the libraries in a location
> where Python doesn't look for them. This led to various
> inappropriate recom
I finally have the fixes I've been working on related to the Python
library setup ready for publication. The important issues were:
1) Waf misuses get_python_lib() in a way that often gets the wrong result,
with the effect of installing the libraries in a location where Python
doesn't look for t
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