Which gets me wondering if that is the best way to test for remote ntp
connectivity.
So, I'm curious now, if there is no remote NTP server listening, will the
anaconda server reject you from using that as a NTP server?
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One of my features is almost done and working, should I submit it for
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> > and
> > try again". Are there any known infrastructure problems right now?
> > Thanks.
> >
>
> A user in #fedora reported an issue like this with the RPM Fusion repo
> however his was a 503 error.
>
I couldn't
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We also +R'd #fedora-admin so the recent freenode spammers aren't as
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all the sources listed in it, that's why it is downloading multiple
sources. You can delete all but the one you want from your sources file
(in each branch)
-Mike
> [gia...@bingo F-12]$ make sources
> Downloading nemiver-0.6.7.tar.bz2...
> % Total% Received % Xferd A
2010/1/22 Miloslav Trmač :
> We can extend the protection to all executables by a simple addition to
> redhat-rpm-config (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=556897 ).
> After applying this patch, executable files in all rebuilt packages
> would not be writeable, most often using mode 0555.
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Till Maas wrote:
> It does not matter, whether the user is root, but whether he has the
> dac_override capability. If you read the original mail (1st paragraph)
> again with this in mind, you will understand the reason for the change.
Thanks. Sorry for the noise.
anted to report what I initially
ran into.
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problem, although mixed results.
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So get that F13 version and install it *before* I do the upgrade?
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sting may not have worked as some people say they aren't
seeing the issue. The real tricky part is 3.0.1 is the release upstream
is recommending to users as well:
http://www.mozillamessaging.com/en-US/thunderbird/
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On Tue, 2 Feb 2010, Juha Tuomala wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, 2 Feb 2010, Mike McGrath wrote:
> > Specifically: "Individuals using multiple accounts without prior written
> > approval will have all but one account terminated. "
>
> And what does that matter when ev
On Tue, 2 Feb 2010, Till Maas wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 02, 2010 at 09:01:25AM -0600, Mike McGrath wrote:
>
> > It's not automatically enforcable that's true but we catch you doing it
> > (and we have) and we'll do something about it. Turns out the honor system
On Tue, 2 Feb 2010, Juha Tuomala wrote:
>
>
>
> On Tue, 2 Feb 2010, Mike McGrath wrote:
> > but we catch you doing it (and we have) and we'll do something about it.
>
> Just for curiosity, what? Prevent doing it again? How?
>
> Like said, it's a joke.
have a negative impact on our OS? (Mike)"[0]
> - I would prefer that this be rephrased to a quote I read that
> originated from John Rose (inode0) "isn't it amazing how thousands of
> contributors doing whatever they want created such a spectacular OS?"
> and I wou
On Tue, 2 Feb 2010, inode0 wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Mike McGrath wrote:
> > And to answer your question about what "isnt' broken". I suggest you look
> > at our http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Statistics page. We've only seen
> > growth
On Tue, 2 Feb 2010, inode0 wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Mike McGrath wrote:
> > On Tue, 2 Feb 2010, inode0 wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Mike McGrath wrote:
> >> > And to answer your question about what "isnt' brok
y sig has a QA member and requiring
it wouldn't work either. I feel it's like assuming that just because I've
done turbogears apps that someone would ask me to do CSS as well. I don't
think it's safe to assume that because someone can put a spin together
that they have the tools and knowledge to do proper QA on it.
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experiment with their vision if so few are here to see it and so many
other options are available?
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On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 7:52 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Mon, 2010-08-02 at 16:52 +, Robert 'Bob' Jensen wrote:
>
> > The fact that the question was asked suggests to me that perhaps one
> > should rethink what and how they are doing things. People have had
> > this complaint since PA was
7;]' returned non-zero
> exit status 128
>
>
> Should I fill bugreport? Or what I can do with it?
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I'll take a look, for now you can check it out like this:
fedpkg -v clone "DivFix%2b%2b"
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cept to do a ctrl+alt+del.
Does it take a while (mins?) for the GUI to come up or is there a bug?
Yes I have the dvd in a dir and the install.img in the images sub dir
beneath it.
Anyone else or is there a fix to try/do to get around it?
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e f15
gnome-panel update (f14 one failed to build) for now to get it to stop
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Is this hidden somewhere, missing or not included any longer? I can't
seem to find it at all.
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ore to
> > pkgs.fedoraproject.org and have the known_hosts entry?)
>
> Yes ssh is secure if used properly. To get the proper known_hosts entry,
> one has to download https://admin.fedoraproject.org/ssh_known_hosts btw.
>
We also use SSHFP records for those of you that want to enable
On Fri, 6 Aug 2010, Till Maas wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 05, 2010 at 04:32:36PM -0500, Mike McGrath wrote:
> > On Thu, 5 Aug 2010, Till Maas wrote:
>
> > > Yes ssh is secure if used properly. To get the proper known_hosts entry,
> > > one has to download https://admin.fed
On Fri, 6 Aug 2010, Mike McGrath wrote:
> On Fri, 6 Aug 2010, Till Maas wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Aug 05, 2010 at 04:32:36PM -0500, Mike McGrath wrote:
> > > On Thu, 5 Aug 2010, Till Maas wrote:
> >
> > > > Yes ssh is secure if used properly. To get the prope
that you set the stuff to orphaned.
>
Luckily Remi got a list:
http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2010-August/140708.html
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ts not
point fingers. How can we fix this? It's clearly not one group or one
individual or we'd just go talk to them. This is a collective failure.
Since 2006 we've slipped at least 16-18 weeks by my count. That's more
than half of a full release cycle.
Thoughts?
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it telling people to expect everything to be broken.
>
Possibly also stop changing earlier? It's hard to test a moving target.
Would an 8[1] month cycle cause fewer slips per release? Fewer bugs?
-Mike
[1] Just picked some number slightly longer then the current cycle for
pur
upstream for? Is it
integration? Is it bugs that were introduced months ago but only recently
found or bugs that were just introduces in the couple of weeks before
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On Fri, 13 Aug 2010, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
> On Thursday, August 12, 2010 09:33:17 pm Lennart Poettering wrote:
> > On Thu, 12.08.10 13:19, Mike McGrath (mmcgr...@redhat.com) wrote:
> > > Since 2006 I counted 18 slips (I think one or two of those may just be a
> > &g
Do you like fixing things but don't care what?
Are you a jack of all trades sort of person?
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On Fri, 13 Aug 2010, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Mike McGrath wrote:
> > I'll admit, this is a convenient view to have. The problem is we're not
> > in high school anymore. We're professionals. We're expected to set and
> > keep schedules because people
On Fri, 13 Aug 2010, Adam Tkac wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 09:48:56AM -0500, Mike McGrath wrote:
> > Do you like fixing things but don't care what?
>
> Hello,
>
> may I ask you about FES workflow? Should FES members (with
> provenpackager perms, for example) pus
ng, I don't think this is really
> necessary, you can do development in rawhide and go back to the branch
> when ready.
>
Do we know for sure that people aren't treating the branch like rawhide?
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On Mon, 16 Aug 2010, Peter Jones wrote:
> On 08/12/2010 02:39 PM, Mike McGrath wrote:
> > On Thu, 12 Aug 2010, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote:
> >
> >>>>>>> "BN" == Bill Nottingham writes:
> >>
> >> BN> I can't help but note
On Mon, 16 Aug 2010, Peter Jones wrote:
> On 08/16/2010 02:06 PM, Mike McGrath wrote:
> > On Mon, 16 Aug 2010, Peter Jones wrote:
> >
> >> On 08/12/2010 02:39 PM, Mike McGrath wrote:
> >>> On Thu, 12 Aug 2010, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote:
> >>
Obligatory "Why does X run as root since it doesn't have to?" thread given
the exploit re-announcement.
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o" and "user" options
>
> That's not the issue here. systemd will never mount non-device mount points
> automatically, unless listed as "auto".
>
> > * Removable media that appear in fstab are usually marked noauto
>
> And?
>
> > * /boot
On Mon, 23 Aug 2010, Matthias Clasen wrote:
> On Mon, 2010-08-23 at 11:38 -0500, Mike McGrath wrote:
>
> >
> > And change it. The request was pretty clear.
> >
> > -Mike
>
> Try to stay friendly, maybe ?
> Lennart said at the outset that he was open to
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#x27;t know as if we knew there were going to be no problems. The sad
thing is that's such an easy fix by making brand new features for core
components like this opt in, even if it's just for a single release.
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On Mon, 23 Aug 2010, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> Mike McGrath (mmcgr...@redhat.com) said:
> > > My concern with this line of thinking is that you're asking us to quantify
> > > the unknown unknown, and define a time period of testing which is
> > > 'long
On Mon, 23 Aug 2010, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> On Mon, 23.08.10 16:22, Mike McGrath (mmcgr...@redhat.com) wrote:
>
> > (yet another thing we ignored in this process). My experience has so far
> > been very bad with systemd so when Lennart proclaims that everything's
&g
On Mon, 23 Aug 2010, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> On Mon, 23.08.10 16:39, Mike McGrath (mmcgr...@redhat.com) wrote:
>
> >
> > On Mon, 23 Aug 2010, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> >
> > > On Mon, 23.08.10 16:22, Mike McGrath (mmcgr...@redhat.com) wrote:
> > >
s are
there by default.
Any views on this? Could it be done for f14?
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hen at least someone doing a yum search on thunderbird would notice
> that and assume they probably wanted it (if they're hitting the same issue).
>
> It would then be up to the individual spins whether they want this in
> their default package set or not.
That sounds like a reasona
On Tue, 24 Aug 2010, Eric Sandeen wrote:
> Adam Williamson wrote:
> > On Mon, 2010-08-23 at 15:52 -0500, Mike McGrath wrote:
> >
> >> It's just risk management. I think we'd be better off acknowledging there
> >> are unknown unknowns and try to
the plan is to decide later (presumably after beta) which one
> we're going with, and dump the other.
>
So the alpha and beta will be tested in a configuration that the final
release will not?
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On Tue, 24 Aug 2010, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Tue, 2010-08-24 at 12:10 -0500, Mike McGrath wrote:
>
> > People like you and me would opt-in. (well I would on some hosts) because
> > we know what we're doing. Expert eyes get a look at it before it's forced
> &g
eir needs.
>
> > do you think workstation users will like this kind of changes?
>
> If they like a faster bootup, then yes, they will. And I as a
> workstation user like it.
>
[citation needed]
I asked for this and was told by developers they were reluctant to post
the
ept my
laptop. Why? Because I know exactly what bash scripts are going to do
every time. Being able to predict what program X is going to do is
immensely valuable. NetworkManager certainly has it's place, but it's not
on my servers. The simplicity of /etc/init.d/network _is_ a feature and
ngs deteriorated
markedly then there will still be a supportive and vibrant Fedora user
community. Just by the way I am an academic and I do know some
students in my department who run Fedora - in fact the majority of
linux machines in my department run either Fedora or Centos
odern medium that actually has space to provide a non crippled user
> experience. (not talking about MTAs here but in general).
I wonder what fraction of users don't use DVD these days?
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On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 10:32 AM, Till Maas wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 10:20:44AM +0100, mike cloaked wrote:
>> On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 9:12 AM, drago01 wrote:
>>
>> >> It also takes up live image space, which is a very scarce resource, it's
>> >
t except that this trend does
conflict with the "current release" numbers we have on the statistics page
(indicating people are using Fedora even after EOL) and that security
incidents requiring a rebuild of everything is bad for business, at least
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would be curtailed somewhat without an MTA? Or put another way I
wonder what fraction of users would include "yum install sendmail" (or
equivalent) as one of the first actions after an install?
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nd based on what they
> would like to see in the distribution themselves.
I said something similar at the board meeting today. I think "designed"
isn't the right word. I don't think we have any designs we're following
at all. It's just engineered. Fedora literall
ried to give
Fedora to the community, the community wasn't there to take it. All you
can do is trust RH to do the right thing, know we'll make mistakes from
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On Sun, 29 Aug 2010, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> On 08/28/2010 09:40 PM, Mike McGrath wrote:
> > Dennis is his backup (RH employee) and if need be I know jwb (not redhat
> > employee) is more than capable of handling these problems. Believe it or
> > not,
e're already using...
>
Just to make this clear on 3). We grandfathered that in, meaning it is
now against policy to do more of it but we didn't remove it because it
had historical significance. Though I believe we're in the works to
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gzilla search for the rest of their career... :)
>
We have a free software policy, while we continue to revise it, google's
search engine is clearly against that policy:
http://infrastructure.fedoraproject.org/csi/free-software-policy/en-US/html-single/
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that) but couldn't find where my address book was. Luckily I sort
of had a addressbook.vcf (sp?) file to restore that was somewhat
updated.
Oh yea, and as of this email it doesn't seem to automatically add my
signture i had to recreate from scratch.
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recently got enough karma to push and it should be available soon).
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updates,
> making it kind of hard to get a fix unless you knew about yum? That's
> a pretty significant oops.
>
Yes we have links on some of our sites like -
http://start.fedoraproject.org/ for example. The sad thing is this is the
second time this has happened in the last few rele
data. It isn't reflecting recent updates
> to any of my packages, and even the "N days ago" annotations in the
> shortlog view seem wonky, as if the server clock were stuck in early
> August.
>
Known issue, being worked on.
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ome to f12 before too long also. However you can
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2010/9/14 "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" :
> On 09/15/2010 12:01 AM, Jeff Spaleta wrote:
>> On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 3:56 PM, James Laska wrote:
>>> Much like we introduced and communicated btrfs support in F-11, should
>>> we communicate systemd as a technology preview in Fedora 14?
>> I would agree wit
It's taking shape. If you want your feature to be a
defining feature of F15. Get it in *now*.
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entage of
> attendance, or less than a specific deviation from the average
> attendance of other members (perhaps the latter) in order to be an
> active member of the body.
>
Gregdek mentioned voter fatigue on FAB a while back. I know exactly what
he's talking about though I'm not quite sure how to fix it. I suppose
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If you download either of these versions from koji and try to install
them, you get a deps issue with gnome-panel, as it requires
libedataserverui-1.2.so.10()(64bit).
So will gnome-panel (am guessing most of gnome as well) be built anytime
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g x86_64 as the
> preferred option on the relevant hardware?
>
FWIW, we have two measurements of x86_64 vs i686.
Smolt:
65% i686
35% x86_64
mirrors.fedoraproject.org:
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and multilib library issues as a consquence.
If the default were made 64 bit then these kinds of issues would come
to the fore in quite large numbers.
I believe that keeping i686 as the default and letting users decide to
opt in to 64 bit is the right way forward until the number of 64 bit
spec
On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 1:29 PM, Andrew Haley wrote:
> On 09/28/2010 12:06 PM, mike cloaked wrote:
>> On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 9:37 AM, Andrew Haley wrote:
>>> On 09/27/2010 10:03 PM, Jeff Spaleta wrote:
>>>>
>>>> If anything I would expect the 32bit Desk
poses of memory
density, we do it based on what will be running on the host as it doesn't
always make sense to do so. It's worked out very well for us.
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https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=626209
Reported against F13, but I've encountered it in F14 Beta.
Seems like more folks ought to be impacted by this bug that seem to
be, so I wonder what is going on here. Do less folks use ssh-add that
I imagine, or is some factor limiting this bug?
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On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 3:01 PM, Alberto Bertogli
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> On Mon, Oct 04, 2010 at 12:48:20PM -0700, Roland McGrath wrote:
>> File a glibc bug.
>
> Upstream or in Fedora's bugzilla? (or both?)
>
Upstream and link to upstream bug in fedora bug tracker.
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so do I need to run the mock/pungi build for f14 in an f13 machine, or
will a machine running f12 work also?
Thanks in advance if you can help me out on this one.
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y main installs with my own builds
to save on yum updates once the installs are done.)
Oh well... c'est la vie!
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n! Given this is a headless machine running in a
quiet corner of the office, and it would have been a while before I
could get a monitor attached to it, I am very pleased that it was
possible to do the upgrade without direct physical access to the
machine. Even at f11 Fedora had great abilities!
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On Thu, 7 Oct 2010, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 07, 2010 at 12:04:49 -0500,
> Mike McGrath wrote:
> >
> > We also decided to allow yubikeys as an authentication option for the
> > larger community to some hosts and services like fedorapeople.org or
> > h
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 5:51 PM, Paul Wouters wrote:
> I have one and I've played with it in fedora. There is however an important
> catch. The server and the yubikey share the same AES symmetric key. This means
> that if the yubikey is used for multiple sites by one user, that user is
> sharing
>
On Thu, 7 Oct 2010, Paul Wouters wrote:
> On Thu, 7 Oct 2010, Mike McGrath wrote:
>
> >>> We also decided to allow yubikeys as an authentication option for the
> >>> larger community to some hosts and services like fedorapeople.org or
> >>> https://admin
On Thu, 7 Oct 2010, Ricky Zhou wrote:
> On 2010-10-07 07:25:47 PM, Mike McLean wrote:
> > On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 5:51 PM, Paul Wouters wrote:
> > > I have one and I've played with it in fedora. There is however an
> > > important
> > > catch. The
going out
of their way to bypass the process we have in place. The key generation
is done on the server and sent to the client, that transaction is
transient and not stored on disk. Any multiple service authentication all
goes through the single yubikey server.
-Mike
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; with users is now very smooth and (maybe) first impressions matter.
>
I think our pride problem will pretty much ensure that won't happen.
Afterall, we're the innovators, not them. So if they did it, it's not
innovation. :(
-Mike
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