Re: Multirelease effort: Moving to Python 3

On 19. 7. 2013 at 02:41:23, Bohuslav Kabrda wrote: ... snip ... > > +1 -- unfortunately, this probably depends on DNF So we may need to > > push DNF in F22 and anaconda compatible with python3 in F23. > > DNF is a continuous effort. I believe that DNF will provide it's Python 3 > bindings soo

Koji down?

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Re: Koji down?

On Fri, 2013-07-19 at 09:03 +0200, Joachim Backes wrote: > Getting this when connecting to > > http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji > > --- > Internal Server Error It's a planned outage: $ koji --debug moshimoshi [... snip ..

Re: Koji down?

On 19/07/13 08:03, Joachim Backes wrote: > Getting this when connecting to > > http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji > > --- > Internal Server Error > > The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was > unable to c

Re: Virtual provides for files in /var/log

On 07/18/2013 11:35 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: Panu Matilainen (pmati...@laiskiainen.org) said: So... /var/log/messages is not guaranteed to be there even now, because it depends on rsyslog configuration. So any packages which cannot handle missing /var/log/messages are broken already in a non-d

Re: F20 Self Contained Change: Apache OpenOffice

On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 12:54:10PM +0200, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > = Proposed Self Contained Change: Apache OpenOffice = > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/ApacheOpenOffice > > Change owner(s): Andrea Pescetti > > Add Apache OpenOffice [1], the free productivity suite, to Fedora. > > =

Re: F20 Self Contained Change: Vagrant

On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 5:30 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: > If we're confident that the feature will get into upstream when the > unreleased version finally comes out, and if this is really the last > blocker, we may be able to get an exception to the bundled libraries policy. > (This is one of the l

Re: Multirelease effort: Moving to Python 3

On 07/18/2013 06:53 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: /usr/bin/python should refer to python2 -- http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0394/ I'd be -1 to changing this Quoting from this PEP: python should refer to the same target as python2 but may refer to python3 on some bleeding edge distribut

Re: Multirelease effort: Moving to Python 3

On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 08:20:02AM +0200, Marcela Mašláňová wrote: > On 07/19/2013 05:44 AM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > > > >On Jul 18, 2013 5:42 PM, "Michael Catanzaro" >> wrote: > > > > > > On Thu, 2013-07-18 at 09:53 -0700, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > > > > /usr/bin/

Re: Multirelease effort: Moving to Python 3

On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 11:24:22AM -0400, Bohuslav Kabrda wrote: > Hi all, > as a new Fedora Python maintainer, I have set myself a goal of moving Fedora > to Python 3 as a default. This is going to be a multirelease effort that is > going to affect lots of Fedora parts. Since we will need to swi

Re: F20 Self Contained Change: Application Installer

> > So, do I understand you correctly that you as Yum/Dnf guys would be ok to > > have a different backend for GUI and non-GUI use cases as mentioned in > > this thread and agreed by FESCo previously? I'd be more than happy to > > see your sign off for this change and state this too there. > > Wel

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

Le Jeu 18 juillet 2013 16:08, Lennart Poettering a écrit : > But anyway, I understand you like ISO, and think it is readable. I don't > agree, but we just have to agree to disagree on this one. It might > thrill you though to learn that I just commited a patch by Tomasz that > adds an ISO output

Re: F20 Self Contained Change: Application Installer

On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 1:02 PM, Kamil Paral wrote: >> > So, do I understand you correctly that you as Yum/Dnf guys would be ok to >> > have a different backend for GUI and non-GUI use cases as mentioned in >> > this thread and agreed by FESCo previously? I'd be more than happy to >> > see your si

Re: F20 Self Contained Change: Application Installer

On 15 July 2013 16:07, Jan Zelený wrote: > Another > option would be to make the new PK (or just the backend if possible) optional > for now and make it default together with dnf replacing yum. However I > strongly suspect that neither of these two proposals are acceptable for > Richard. Well, al

Re: Multirelease effort: Moving to Python 3

> From: berra...@redhat.com > > Far better to encourage people to explicitly use /usr/bin/python2 and > /usr/bin/python3 explicitly and discourage any use of plain /usr/bin/python, > but definitely not change the semantics of the latter. I think this is by far the best thing to do. After all "im

Re: Virtual provides for files in /var/log

On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 10:26:24AM +0300, Panu Matilainen wrote: > Yeah... Log analyzers are one thing, but I dont know what eg hplip > and lvm2 are doing with the info scraped out of /var/log/messages, > it seems somewhat suspect at least. They're just gathering it into a diagnostic report -- not

Re: F20 Self Contained Change: Application Installer

On Fri, 2013-07-19 at 07:02 -0400, Kamil Paral wrote: > > > So, do I understand you correctly that you as Yum/Dnf guys would be ok to > > > have a different backend for GUI and non-GUI use cases as mentioned in > > > this thread and agreed by FESCo previously? I'd be more than happy to > > > see yo

How to create a new mailing list at lists.fedoraproject.org

Hi, I want to create a new mailing list for kexec/kdump related discussions in fedora. How do I go about it. I try to create one here but it asks for List creator's password. I don't have any such password. So who is authorized to create the list and can he/she create one for me? Thanks Vivek -

Re: How to create a new mailing list at lists.fedoraproject.org

Hi! On Jul 19, 2013 7:12 AM, "Vivek Goyal" wrote: > > Hi, > > I want to create a new mailing list for kexec/kdump related discussions > in fedora. How do I go about it. > > I try to create one here but it asks for List creator's password. I don't > have any such password. > > So who is authorized

Re: Multirelease effort: Moving to Python 3

Le Ven 19 juillet 2013 17:04, Tomas Mraz a écrit : > On Fri, 2013-07-19 at 10:17 +0100, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: >> So while I encourage a Fedora effort to get onto Python3 by default, >> well before 2015, I don't think we should assume that Python2 support >> is definitely going to stop in 2015

Re: Multirelease effort: Moving to Python 3

On Fri, 2013-07-19 at 10:17 +0100, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: > On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 08:20:02AM +0200, Marcela Mašláňová wrote: > > On 07/19/2013 05:44 AM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > > > > > >On Jul 18, 2013 5:42 PM, "Michael Catanzaro" > >> wrote: > > > > > > > >

Re: Multirelease effort: Moving to Python 3

> From: nicolas.mail...@laposte.net > > > Le Ven 19 juillet 2013 17:04, Tomas Mraz a écrit : > > On Fri, 2013-07-19 at 10:17 +0100, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: > > >> So while I encourage a Fedora effort to get onto Python3 by default, > >> well before 2015, I don't think we should assume that Pyt

AutoQA Testcase Stats

I've been working to revamp the AutoQA infrastructure so that we're not running completely on F17 clients and after building several new client machines in staging, I was curious about how well the tests were running on the new client machines. I've included the numbers below but 2 things jump out

[AutoQA] #439: depcheck crashes almost every time on fc19

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Re: Multirelease effort: Moving to Python 3

On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 05:16:03PM +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > > Le Ven 19 juillet 2013 17:04, Tomas Mraz a écrit : > > On Fri, 2013-07-19 at 10:17 +0100, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: > > >> So while I encourage a Fedora effort to get onto Python3 by default, > >> well before 2015, I don't think

Re: Multirelease effort: Moving to Python 3

On Fri, 2013-07-19 at 11:24 -0400, john.flor...@dart.biz wrote: > > From: nicolas.mail...@laposte.net > > > > > > Le Ven 19 juillet 2013 17:04, Tomas Mraz a écrit : > > > On Fri, 2013-07-19 at 10:17 +0100, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: > > > > >> So while I encourage a Fedora effort to get onto Pyt

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

On Thu, 2013-07-18 at 21:37 -0400, Ding Yi Chen wrote: > > Exactly - adding to the minimal install is generally always a supported > > operation. Removing from the minimal install is always a 'buyer beware' > > or 'you get both pieces' operation. > > Didn't Jesse Keating said something like we d

Re: F20 Self Contained Change: Application Installer

On Fri, 2013-07-19 at 07:02 -0400, Kamil Paral wrote: > > > So, do I understand you correctly that you as Yum/Dnf guys would be ok to > > > have a different backend for GUI and non-GUI use cases as mentioned in > > > this thread and agreed by FESCo previously? I'd be more than happy to > > > see yo

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 10:37 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Thu, 2013-07-18 at 21:37 -0400, Ding Yi Chen wrote: > > > > Exactly - adding to the minimal install is generally always a supported > > > operation. Removing from the minimal install is always a 'buyer > beware' > > > or 'you get both

Re: Multirelease effort: Moving to Python 3

On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 10:17:51AM +0100, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: > > Far better to encourage people to explicitly use /usr/bin/python2 and > /usr/bin/python3 explicitly and discourage any use of plain /usr/bin/python, > but definitely not change the semantics of the latter. > +1*10^6 > > Upst

Re: Multirelease effort: Moving to Python 3

> From: tm...@redhat.com > > On Fri, 2013-07-19 at 11:24 -0400, john.flor...@dart.biz wrote: > > > From: nicolas.mail...@laposte.net > > > > > > > > > Le Ven 19 juillet 2013 17:04, Tomas Mraz a écrit : > > > > On Fri, 2013-07-19 at 10:17 +0100, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: > > > > > > >> So while

Re: Multirelease effort: Moving to Python 3

Le Ven 19 juillet 2013 17:30, Daniel P. Berrange a écrit : > On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 05:16:03PM +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: >> >> Le Ven 19 juillet 2013 17:04, Tomas Mraz a écrit : >> > On Fri, 2013-07-19 at 10:17 +0100, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: >> >> >> So while I encourage a Fedora effort to

Re: Multirelease effort: Moving to Python 3

On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 08:20:02AM +0200, Marcela Mašláňová wrote: > On 07/19/2013 05:44 AM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > > > >On Jul 18, 2013 5:42 PM, "Michael Catanzaro" >> wrote: > > > > > > On Thu, 2013-07-18 at 09:53 -0700, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > > > > /usr/bin/

Re: F20 System Wide Change: Enable kdump on secureboot machines

On 07/11/2013 06:03 PM, Vivek Goyal wrote: It is but it implements stuff which is needed to meet TCB requirements. Current implementation is nowhere near to require secureboot requirements. For example, executables are not locked down in memory. That means after signature verification, if execu

Re: F20 System Wide Change: Enable kdump on secureboot machines

On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 08:51:36PM +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 1:40 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > > = Proposed System Wide Change: Enable kdump on secureboot machines = > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Kdump_with_secureboot > > > == Detailed description == > >

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 10:36 AM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > = Proposed System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail = > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/NoDefaultSendmail > > Change owner(s): Lennart Poettering , Matthew > Miller > > No longer install an MTA by default. (Specifically let's remove

Re: Multirelease effort: Moving to Python 3

On Fri, 2013-07-19 at 10:17 +0100, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: > Far better to encourage people to explicitly use /usr/bin/python2 and > /usr/bin/python3 explicitly and discourage any use of plain /usr/bin/python Note the GNOME discussion here: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/20

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 2:20 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > On 07/17/2013 12:05 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: >> >> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 09:21:39AM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: >>> >>> On 07/17/2013 12:58 AM, Ding Yi Chen wrote: You still have not addressed the third pa

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 8:17 PM, Billy Crook wrote: > Please voice yourself at meetings in #fedora-devel if this is important to > you. (Speaking purely for myself and not for other FESCo members,) I do want to hear from Fedora contributors - but I'd much rather hear on the mailing list (where me

Re: How to create a new mailing list at lists.fedoraproject.org

On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 07:22:55AM -0700, T.C. Hollingsworth wrote: > Hi! > > On Jul 19, 2013 7:12 AM, "Vivek Goyal" wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > I want to create a new mailing list for kexec/kdump related discussions > > in fedora. How do I go about it. > > > > I try to create one here but it asks

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

On 07/19/2013 06:12 PM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: Progress does not that frequently depend on removing older functionality. Specifically in this case, removing rsyslog does not make journal in any way better. Perhaps not that' s a matter of opinion but to we should be able to compare it against

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 8:16 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 07:37:35PM +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: >> However, having the /usr/sbin/sendmail API available to applications >> is valuable - it brings a significant system administration benefit of >> centralizing the SMTP config

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 12:37 PM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 10:36 AM, Jaroslav Reznik > wrote: > > = Proposed System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail = > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/NoDefaultSendmail > > > > Change owner(s): Lennart Poettering , Matthew > > Mil

Re: Multirelease effort: Moving to Python 3

On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 12:53:20PM -0400, Colin Walters wrote: > On Fri, 2013-07-19 at 10:17 +0100, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: > > > Far better to encourage people to explicitly use /usr/bin/python2 and > > /usr/bin/python3 explicitly and discourage any use of plain /usr/bin/python > > Note the GN

Re: Multirelease effort: Moving to Python 3

Daniel P. Berrange (berra...@redhat.com) said: > I don't think we're anywhere near the point in time where such an > approach is worth the pain it will inflict on people. As above, > I'm pretty sceptical that maintainence of Python2 is actually going > to stop in 2015, as I think there are too man

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 1:28 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > On 07/19/2013 06:12 PM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > >> Progress does not that frequently depend on removing older >> functionality. Specifically in this case, removing rsyslog does not >> make journal in any way better. >> >> >> > Per

Mesos Packaging

For folks who are watching, we are assisting the upstream Mesos project(https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/MESOS-543) and there is interest from multiple parties to get the package and it's dependencies into the Fedora &| EPEL channels.   If you are interested, please feel free to ping me an

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

On Jul 19, 2013 2:11 PM, "Steve Clark" wrote: > > On 07/19/2013 02:56 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: >> >> On 07/19/2013 06:45 PM, Billy Crook wrote: >>> >>> I haven't seen anyone asking to ship two sysloggers. >> >> >> I perhaps should have been clearer and say "two logging systems" which >>

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

On 07/19/2013 07:11 PM, Steve Clark wrote: This might have merit if the one you want to keep could do everything it does plus what the one you want to remove does. And to establish if it does that, we need to know what the deceive factor was of choosing rsyslog in the first place over syslog-

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

Miloslav Trmač (m...@volny.cz) said: > On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 8:17 PM, Billy Crook wrote: > > Please voice yourself at meetings in #fedora-devel if this is important to > > you. > > (Speaking purely for myself and not for other FESCo members,) I do > want to hear from Fedora contributors - but

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Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

On 07/19/2013 02:56 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: On 07/19/2013 06:45 PM, Billy Crook wrote: I haven't seen anyone asking to ship two sysloggers. I perhaps should have been clearer and say "two logging systems" which we currently are doing and one of those cannot be disabled or removed so

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

On Jul 19, 2013 2:16 PM, "Bill Nottingham" wrote: > > Miloslav Trmač (m...@volny.cz) said: > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 8:17 PM, Billy Crook wrote: > > > Please voice yourself at meetings in #fedora-devel if this is important to > > > you. > > > > (Speaking purely for myself and not for other FESC

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

On 07/19/2013 07:11 PM, Steve Clark wrote: This might have merit if the one you want to keep could do everything it does plus what the one you want to remove does. If the intent was to obsolete rsyslog then yes that would be relevant but since it's not, that's not the case. JBG -- devel mai

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

mattdm wrote: > [...] > What does it mean to "have available"? As discussed earlier, I think it's > significantly better for applications to get errors (which they can handle) > than to think they've sent a message which really gets buried forever. There exist /usr/lib/sendmail submission-only i

Re: Multirelease effort: Moving to Python 3

On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 11:24:22AM -0400, Bohuslav Kabrda wrote: > 3) Making all livecd packages depend on Python 3 by default (and > eventually getting rid of Python 2 from livecd) - this will also require > switching from Yum to DNF as a default, that is supposed to support Python I have a conce

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 02:16:13PM -0500, Billy Crook wrote: > Well put. This is exactly why NoSyslog is premature. And that's exactly why it's NoDefaultSyslog, not NoSyslog. -- Matthew Miller ☁☁☁ Fedora Cloud Architect ☁☁☁ -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://adm

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

On 07/19/2013 06:45 PM, Billy Crook wrote: I haven't seen anyone asking to ship two sysloggers. I perhaps should have been clearer and say "two logging systems" which we currently are doing and one of those cannot be disabled or removed so the logical choice is to remove the one that can an

Re: F20 Self Contained Change: Remove deprecated calls of using ntpdate in favor of ntpd

On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 12:43 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > = Proposed Self Contained Change: Remove deprecated calls of using ntpdate in > favor of ntpd = > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/ntpdate Given what has been discussed/learned in this thread, it seems that the change proposal needs

Re: Multirelease effort: Moving to Python 3

On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 02:41:23AM -0400, Bohuslav Kabrda wrote: > - Original Message - > > On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 11:24:22AM -0400, Bohuslav Kabrda wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > as a new Fedora Python maintainer, I have set myself a goal of moving > > > Fedora to Python 3 as a default. > >

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

Hi, On Friday 19 July 2013 14:16:57 Matthew Miller wrote: > As discussed earlier, I think it's > significantly better for applications to get errors (which they can handle) > than to think they've sent a message which really gets buried forever. True, but it doesn't have to be buried foreve

Re: F20 System Wide Change: Web Assets

On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 12:54 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > = Proposed System Wide Change: Web Assets = > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Web_Assets > > Change owner(s): T.C. Hollingsworth > > == Detailed description == > A standard directory (/usr/share/assets) for static bits that are int

Re: Multirelease effort: Moving to Python 3

On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 03:29:57PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 11:24:22AM -0400, Bohuslav Kabrda wrote: > > 3) Making all livecd packages depend on Python 3 by default (and > > eventually getting rid of Python 2 from livecd) - this will also require > > switching from Yum

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 07:37:35PM +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > However, having the /usr/sbin/sendmail API available to applications > is valuable - it brings a significant system administration benefit of > centralizing the SMTP configuration. What does it mean to "have available"? As discussed

Re: F20 System Wide Change: Web Assets

On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 9:51 PM, T.C. Hollingsworth wrote: >> More importantly, is it OK to just take over a part of the server's >> URI namespace like this? > But "_assets/" does have the potential to clash a lot too. So how > about "_sysassets/"? I'm afraid I don't have enough relevant exper

Re: Multirelease effort: Moving to Python 3

On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 11:58:35AM -0400, john.flor...@dart.biz wrote: > > From: tm...@redhat.com > > > > On Fri, 2013-07-19 at 11:24 -0400, john.flor...@dart.biz wrote: > > > > > > > > > Excellent point! If I were caught unaware, I'd much rather have to fix up > > > a bunch shebang lines and lear

Re: Multirelease effort: Moving to Python 3

On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 01:45:41PM -0700, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > * python-cheetah -- Development slowed way down after they made their last > release in 2010 and announced that the next release cheetah-3.0 would > include python3 support. Probably need to contact upstream about this and >

[389-devel] Please review: [389 Project] #47435: Very large entryusn values after enabling the USN plugin and the lastusn value is negative.

https://fedorahosted.org/389/ticket/47435 https://fedorahosted.org/389/attachment/ticket/47435/0001-Ticket-47435-Very-large-entryusn-values-after-enabli.patch 1. Bug description: The initial value of lastusn is -1, but since the entryusn has the unsigned long long integer type, the server ret

Re: Multirelease effort: Moving to Python 3

On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 10:11 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > I'm not sure if this is a good idea (or in what time frame it may be a good > idea. It's definitely too early now and likely too early for F22) but -- if > you want something explicit, we could replace /usr/bin/python with something > th

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 08:22:28PM +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > > What does it mean to "have available"? > Just that. The binary exists and does what it is expected to do. We can do part 1. Part 2 is impossible. > > As discussed earlier, I think it's > > significantly better for applications

[perl-Test-Kwalitee] Created tag perl-Test-Kwalitee-1.09-1.fc20

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Re: Multirelease effort: Moving to Python 3

On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 05:30:36PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 01:45:41PM -0700, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > > * python-cheetah -- Development slowed way down after they made their last > > release in 2010 and announced that the next release cheetah-3.0 would > > include

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

On Jul 19, 2013, at 12:26 PM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 8:17 PM, Billy Crook wrote: >> Please voice yourself at meetings in #fedora-devel if this is important to >> you. > > (Speaking purely for myself and not for other FESCo members,) I do > want to hear from Fedora cont

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

On Fri, 2013-07-19 at 14:23 -0500, Billy Crook wrote: > > It's not as if the default MTA configuration, as I understand it (no > smart > > host, attempt to send all mail directly with the FQDN) is generally > useful > > OOTB. > > It is to me, and I suspect I am not alone. I call bullshit. How is

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

"Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" (johan...@gmail.com) said: > On 07/19/2013 07:11 PM, Steve Clark wrote: > >This might have merit if the one you want to keep could do > >everything it does > >plus what the one you want to remove does. > > And to establish if it does that, we need to know what the deceive

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

Hi Lennart, I suppose someone should mention small flash-disk-only computers. There traditionally we fling syslog messages to the serial console or a LRU buffer in RAM (often the dmesg buffer). The point is to avoid I/O on the flash memory. Syslog daemons tend to do a lot of fsync-ed I/O, which

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 08:15:11AM +0930, Glen Turner wrote: > Hi Lennart, > > I suppose someone should mention small flash-disk-only computers. > > There traditionally we fling syslog messages to the serial console or a LRU > buffer in RAM (often the dmesg buffer). The point is to avoid I/O on

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

Billy Crook (billycr...@gmail.com) said: > Perhaps there should be a "Least Possible Bootable" install for situations > like this. I would agree Syslog should be missing from such an install. > Just not from Default -- Not until journalctl and systemd attain ubiquity.. The installation only has

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 01:02:00AM +0200, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > - Is is possible to run journald without writing to disk; that is: to > > serial as text, or as binary to a ring buffer which can then by used > > by journalctl? > Yes, it's possible to keep journal completely in /run/

Re: Mesos Packaging

Am Freitag, den 19.07.2013, 15:14 -0400 schrieb Tim St Clair: > are assisting the upstream Mesos > project(https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/MESOS-543) and there is > interest from multiple parties to get the package and it's > dependencies into the Fedora &| EPEL channels. > > If you are in

Re: F20 System Wide Change: Web Assets

On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > Minor comment: This copy of the text uses /assets ; the wiki page and > the proposed policy uses both /assets and /_assets ; this should be > cleared up. > > More importantly, is it OK to just take over a part of the server's > URI namespac

Re: F20 Self Contained Change: Remove deprecated calls of using ntpdate in favor of ntpd

On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 2:37 PM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 12:43 PM, Jaroslav Reznik > wrote: > > = Proposed Self Contained Change: Remove deprecated calls of using > ntpdate in > > favor of ntpd = > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/ntpdate > > Given what has been d

Mean machinery...

When a shutdown task isn't proceeding as planned on Fedora 19/rawhide, am I the only one that feels like I'm staring down the monocle of a Cylon and should be preparing to die? That or it's the hood from Kit off of Knight Rider... Either way, it's creepy ;-) -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fed

Re: Mesos Packaging

On Fri, 2013-07-19 at 15:14 -0400, Tim St Clair wrote: > For folks who are watching, we are assisting the upstream Mesos > project(https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/MESOS-543) and there is > interest from multiple parties to get the package and it's dependencies into > the Fedora &| EPEL cha