Re: Proposed F19 Feature: JRuby 1.7 - JRuby is an alternative Ruby implementation

2013-01-25 Thread Bohuslav Kabrda
- Original Message - > Hello, > On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Bohuslav Kabrda > wrote: > > - Original Message - > >> What problem are the _mri_/_jruby_ parameters solving? > >> a) If a script or command-line user requires a specific > >> interpreter, > >> it can just refer to a

[perl-WWW-OrangeHRM-Client/f18] 0.3.0 bump

2013-01-25 Thread Petr Pisar
Summary of changes: ada832e... 0.3.0 bump (*) (*) This commit already existed in another branch; no separate mail sent -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/

[perl-WWW-OrangeHRM-Client/f17] 0.3.0 bump

2013-01-25 Thread Petr Pisar
Summary of changes: ada832e... 0.3.0 bump (*) (*) This commit already existed in another branch; no separate mail sent -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/

Re: Start of systemd timers after install/update of a package

2013-01-25 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 01/24/2013 11:53 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: a) list them in the "%systemd_post" rpm macro (and the other macros too) like you would do for service units. Note that "%systemd_post" and friends take an arbitrary amount of unit names. To enable these timer units by default, you'd a

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Syslinux Option

2013-01-25 Thread Gerd Hoffmann
Hi, > Is there perhaps a consensus what the long-term future will look like? > In particular, is it impossible/plausible/probable that most > architectures will move to EFI, and if so, will virtualization also > move to EFI eventually? virtualization will support EFI, but certainly not require

[Bug 903608] perl-WWW-OrangeHRM-Client-0.3.0 is available

2013-01-25 Thread bugzilla
Product: Fedora https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=903608 --- Comment #1 from Fedora Update System --- perl-User-Utmp-1.8-1.fc18, perl-WWW-OrangeHRM-Client-0.3.0-1.fc18 has been submitted as an update for Fedora 18. https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2013-1305/perl-User-Utmp-

[Bug 903608] perl-WWW-OrangeHRM-Client-0.3.0 is available

2013-01-25 Thread bugzilla
Product: Fedora https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=903608 --- Comment #2 from Fedora Update System --- perl-User-Utmp-1.8-1.fc17, perl-WWW-OrangeHRM-Client-0.3.0-1.fc17 has been submitted as an update for Fedora 17. https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2013-1327/perl-User-Utmp-

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: MEMSTOMP

2013-01-25 Thread Florian Weimer
On 01/24/2013 08:00 PM, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Bill Nottingham said: Jaroslav Reznik (jrez...@redhat.com) said: The MEMSTOMP code utilizes GPLV2+ and LGPL3 code. The GPLV2+ code is limited to the backtrace code which is not thread safe and may need to be disabled/rewritten. I a

Re: Static Analysis: results of FUDcon Lawrence hackfest

2013-01-25 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 02:11:11PM -0700, Jerry James wrote: > Note that we also have why and why3 in Fedora, by the way. .. and ocaml-cil. Rich. -- Richard Jones, Virtualization Group, Red Hat http://people.redhat.com/~rjones virt-p2v converts physical machines to virtual machines. Boot with

Re: Start of systemd timers after install/update of a package

2013-01-25 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 01/25/2013 06:26 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: I can't find it, but isn't there something in the guidelines which says you don't need an explicit dependency on anything that's part of @core? Making the assumption that the core comps never changes and having packages depend on that makes no sen

Re: Static Analysis: results of FUDcon Lawrence hackfest

2013-01-25 Thread Alec Leamas
On 2013-01-24 23:39, Alec Leamas wrote: On 2013-01-24 22:03, David Malcolm wrote: On Thu, 2013-01-24 at 18:11 +0100, Alec Leamas wrote: On 2013-01-24 17:44, David Malcolm wrote: Michael Hrivnak and I spent some time at FUDcon Lawrence looking at static code analysis. We hacked on the proposed

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: KScreen - KDE screen management

2013-01-25 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
On 01/23/2013 04:11 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: = Features/KScreen = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/KScreen Feature owner(s): Dan Vrátil Replace current KDE screen management software by KScreen. == Detailed description == KScreen is a KDE screen management software that massively imp

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: First-Class Cloud Images

2013-01-25 Thread Christophe Fergeau
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 11:19:16AM -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Matthew Miller (mat...@fedoraproject.org) said: > > On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 04:38:13PM -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: > > > > == Detailed description == > > > > * New images that can be used in other cloud deployments (such as

Orphaning gpointing-device-settings

2013-01-25 Thread Thomas Spura
Hi, the package gpointing-device-settings is searching for a new maintainer in all branches. I just orphaned it as I don't use it any more and it doesn't preserve the settings from one reboot to another and don't know how to fix this properly [1]. A partial solution might be at [2] Furthermore up

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Replace MySQL with MariaDB

2013-01-25 Thread Honza Horak
On 01/25/2013 02:46 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Tom Lane wrote: It strikes me that we missed a bet in setting up the mariadb package for only F19-and-up in git. You can request a branch (for a release which accepts branch requests, i.e. currently F17 and F18) after the fact, at any time. So you di

BuildRequires for texlive stuff for F18 and beyond

2013-01-25 Thread Jonathan Underwood
Dear All, I have various packages that use (La)TeX to generate documentation at package build time. In the past, this was usually handled fine with a BuildRequires: tex(latex) which would bring in enough of a latex environment to build most things. With the more fine grained texlive packaging in

Re: Static Analysis: results of FUDcon Lawrence hackfest

2013-01-25 Thread Kamil Dudka
On Thursday, January 24, 2013 14:11:11 Jerry James wrote: > It is not, but see http://jjames.fedorapeople.org/blast/ for an > experimental RPM. If we could get the Vampyre developers to remove > "for research purposes only" from their license, we could get both > Vampyre and BLAST into Fedora. >

Re: Static Analysis: results of FUDcon Lawrence hackfest

2013-01-25 Thread Kamil Dudka
On Friday, January 25, 2013 09:07:22 Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 02:11:11PM -0700, Jerry James wrote: > > Note that we also have why and why3 in Fedora, by the way. > > .. and ocaml-cil. CIL can be used as a front-end for a static analysis tool or a C preprocessor for sta

Re: Static Analysis: results of FUDcon Lawrence hackfest

2013-01-25 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 01:18:43PM +0100, Kamil Dudka wrote: > On Friday, January 25, 2013 09:07:22 Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 02:11:11PM -0700, Jerry James wrote: > > > Note that we also have why and why3 in Fedora, by the way. > > > > .. and ocaml-cil. > > CIL can be

Re: Static Analysis: results of FUDcon Lawrence hackfest

2013-01-25 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 12:51:13PM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 01:18:43PM +0100, Kamil Dudka wrote: > > On Friday, January 25, 2013 09:07:22 Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > > On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 02:11:11PM -0700, Jerry James wrote: > > > > Note that we also have why

[perl] Sub-package Pod-LaTeX (bug #904085)

2013-01-25 Thread Petr Pisar
commit 5b6c9eb2b28b5199b5235b345b629b1fc5090c75 Author: Petr Písař Date: Fri Jan 25 14:03:05 2013 +0100 Sub-package Pod-LaTeX (bug #904085) perl.spec | 30 +- 1 files changed, 29 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/perl.spec b/perl.spec index c6f8d

cogl soname bump

2013-01-25 Thread Peter Robinson
Hi All, Sorry, I missed the cogl soname bump when I pushed the build last night, I'll work to rebuild associated deps now, any help appreciated. Peter -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Fedora Upgrade - using yum

2013-01-25 Thread Simo Sorce
On Fri, 2013-01-25 at 05:42 +, Matthew Garrett wrote: > On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 11:46:24PM -0500, Simo Sorce wrote: > > > We are all grown up enough to decide for our own, just give the > > information and let the admin take care of that. > > Well, that's the problem. Most of our users (inclu

Re: cogl soname bump

2013-01-25 Thread Florian Müllner
On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 2:42 PM, Peter Robinson wrote: > I'll work to rebuild associated deps now I just saw mutter and gnome-shell going by, thanks for taking care of that! -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

ghostscript not using tex fonts?

2013-01-25 Thread Jonathan Underwood
Hi, I am trying to understand a build failure on rawhide [1]. The build is failing during the conversion of a (LaTeX generated) ps file to a pdf file using ps2pdf: ps2pdf ufc-user-manual.ps ufc-user-manual.pdf Error: /invalidfont in /findfont Operand stack: BitstreamVeraSans-Roman-ISOLatin1

Re: Start of systemd timers after install/update of a package

2013-01-25 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
On 01/24/2013 06:30 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: On 01/24/2013 04:28 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: Tomas Mraz (tm...@redhat.com) said: On Thu, 2013-01-24 at 16:03 +0100, Jochen Schmitt wrote: Hello, I have tried to migrating the cron jobs of the inn package to systemd timers. Unfortunately

Re: perl-5.16.2-248.fc19 successfully untagged from f19 by ppisar

2013-01-25 Thread Petr Pisar
On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 02:27:40PM +, Fedora Koji Build System wrote: > Package: perl > NVR: perl-5.16.2-248.fc19 > User: ppisar > Status: complete > Tag Operation: untagged > From Tag: f19 > > perl-5.16.2-248.fc19 successfully untagged from f19 by ppisar > I've untagged this build from F19,

Re: Static Analysis: results of FUDcon Lawrence hackfest

2013-01-25 Thread Jerry James
On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 5:16 AM, Kamil Dudka wrote: > On Thursday, January 24, 2013 14:11:11 Jerry James wrote: >> It is not, but see http://jjames.fedorapeople.org/blast/ for an >> experimental RPM. If we could get the Vampyre developers to remove >> "for research purposes only" from their licen

Re: ghostscript not using tex fonts?

2013-01-25 Thread Richard Shaw
On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 8:42 AM, Jonathan Underwood wrote: > Hi, > > I am trying to understand a build failure on rawhide [1]. The build is > failing during the conversion of a (LaTeX generated) ps file to a pdf > file using ps2pdf: You probably need to BR: the new texlive package with the font(s

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Replace MySQL with MariaDB

2013-01-25 Thread Honza Horak
On 01/23/2013 01:04 PM, Ales Kozumplik wrote: On 01/22/2013 10:06 PM, Tom Lane wrote: Yes, that's the general idea --- any dependencies on mysql should result in installing mariadb, unless the user takes specific action to get mysql instead. Ideally we'd just do the standard Provides/Obsoletes

Re: Start of systemd timers after install/update of a package

2013-01-25 Thread Matthew Miller
On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 03:46:34PM +0100, Marcela Mašláňová wrote: > What is the added value of migration of cron jobs? I, as maintainer > of cron, obviously don't see the added value. What might be > interesting would be converting cron.daily jobs as systemd task. If > systemd could execute daily

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Shared System Certificates

2013-01-25 Thread Florian Weimer
On 01/24/2013 12:30 PM, Stef Walter wrote: So yes, as noted in the 'Detailed Description' of the feature, long term we hope to follow this up with further work to make all the crypto libraries be able to process the information in its entirety. Okay. In the long term, it might make sense to o

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd/udev Predictable Network Interface Names

2013-01-25 Thread Matthew Miller
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 11:32:31PM +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote: > One problem with biosdevname is that it uses different naming schemes in > the same namespace. For us, predictability means that by looking at the > lspci or DMI information of your card you can deterministically figure > out how

Re: ghostscript not using tex fonts?

2013-01-25 Thread Jerry James
On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 7:42 AM, Jonathan Underwood wrote: > I can't fathom whether this is a ghostscript bug or not? Should > ghostscript not be finding the relevant TeX fonts? Can ghostscript read any of the font formats provided by TeX? In any case, adding a BR on bitstream-vera-sans-fonts le

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd/udev Predictable Network Interface Names

2013-01-25 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
On 01/25/2013 12:17 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Thu, 2013-01-24 at 23:03 +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: It's best to rip the bandage of this in one release. The churn from this should have been more or less covered when we implement biosdevname so the fallout from this change should b

Re: Start of systemd timers after install/update of a package

2013-01-25 Thread Matthew Miller
On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 12:53:02AM +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote: > c) Or you could list them as "Wants=" dependency in your service unit's >[Service] section. That means that whenever your service unit is >started, your time unit is too. No need for preset file changes. > I think c) is t

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Replace MySQL with MariaDB

2013-01-25 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Honza Horak said: > Is there really no way to do removal/install like above in one yum > transaction? Use yum shell. You can set up multiple things to do and then "run" it all as one transaction. -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Replace MySQL with MariaDB

2013-01-25 Thread Richard Shaw
On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 9:05 AM, Honza Horak wrote: > Is there really no way to do removal/install like above in one yum > transaction? I've been watching this thread but otherwise staying out of it :) But to answer your question I believe that if you use yum shell and tell it to erase mysql and

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: First-Class Cloud Images

2013-01-25 Thread Matthew Miller
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 09:27:00PM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > >* The Fedora Koji instance needs to be updated to a future release that > > will integrate with ImageFactory and Oz from the Aeolus Project. This > > future > > release is not implemented yet. > This sounds a bit hand-wavy.

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Replace MySQL with MariaDB

2013-01-25 Thread Seth Vidal
On Fri, 25 Jan 2013, Honza Horak wrote: On 01/23/2013 01:04 PM, Ales Kozumplik wrote: On 01/22/2013 10:06 PM, Tom Lane wrote: Yes, that's the general idea --- any dependencies on mysql should result in installing mariadb, unless the user takes specific action to get mysql instead. Ideally

Re: Static Analysis: results of FUDcon Lawrence hackfest

2013-01-25 Thread David Malcolm
On Fri, 2013-01-25 at 13:03 +, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: > On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 12:51:13PM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 01:18:43PM +0100, Kamil Dudka wrote: > > > On Friday, January 25, 2013 09:07:22 Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > > > On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 02

Re: Static Analysis: results of FUDcon Lawrence hackfest

2013-01-25 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 10:35:29AM -0500, David Malcolm wrote: > On Fri, 2013-01-25 at 13:03 +, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 12:51:13PM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > > On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 01:18:43PM +0100, Kamil Dudka wrote: > > > > On Friday, January 25, 201

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: First-Class Cloud Images

2013-01-25 Thread Matthew Miller
On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 11:58:18AM +0100, Christophe Fergeau wrote: > First time I hear of cloud-init, so as far as I know no one looked into > Boxes integration (though this could be nice). For Boxes, it might be nice if ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub were provided by default (configurable, of course). --

Re: ghostscript not using tex fonts?

2013-01-25 Thread Jonathan Underwood
On 25 January 2013 15:24, Jerry James wrote: > On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 7:42 AM, Jonathan Underwood > wrote: >> I can't fathom whether this is a ghostscript bug or not? Should >> ghostscript not be finding the relevant TeX fonts? > > Can ghostscript read any of the font formats provided by TeX? >

Re: Static Analysis: results of FUDcon Lawrence hackfest

2013-01-25 Thread Kamil Dudka
On Friday 25 January 2013 16:01:15 Jerry James wrote: > On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 5:16 AM, Kamil Dudka wrote: > > On Thursday, January 24, 2013 14:11:11 Jerry James wrote: > >> It is not, but see http://jjames.fedorapeople.org/blast/ for an > >> experimental RPM. If we could get the Vampyre develop

Re: F18 metalink urls pointing to development/18 instead of releases/18/Everything

2013-01-25 Thread Dennis Gilmore
On Thu, 24 Jan 2013 08:35:51 +0100 Ralf Corsepius wrote: > Hi, > > the Fedora 18 metalink-urls as being used in /etc/yum.repo.d/*repo, > e.g. > https://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/metalink?repo=fedora-$releasever&arch=$basearch, > > are still pointing to */development/18 > instead of */releases/1

Re: Re: Proposed F19 Feature: First-Class Cloud Images

2013-01-25 Thread kaperang07
> On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 11:58:18AM +0100, Christophe Fergeau wrote: > > First time I hear of cloud-init, so as far as I know no one looked into > > Boxes integration (though this could be nice). > > For Boxes, it might be nice if ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub were provided by default > (configurable, of cou

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Fedora Upgrade - using yum

2013-01-25 Thread Björn Persson
Chris Adams wrote: > The way some other Unix OSes I've used worked for version upgrades was > to require the admin drop to single-user mode first, optionally with > network access. RHL/RHEL/Fedora have never had a "single-user with > network" mode, but that would be nice to have. Then maybe "yum

Re: Static Analysis: results of FUDcon Lawrence hackfest

2013-01-25 Thread David Malcolm
On Fri, 2013-01-25 at 08:01 -0700, Jerry James wrote: > On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 5:16 AM, Kamil Dudka wrote: > > On Thursday, January 24, 2013 14:11:11 Jerry James wrote: > >> It is not, but see http://jjames.fedorapeople.org/blast/ for an > >> experimental RPM. If we could get the Vampyre develop

Re: ghostscript not using tex fonts?

2013-01-25 Thread Jonathan Underwood
On 25 January 2013 15:04, Richard Shaw wrote: > On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 8:42 AM, Jonathan Underwood > wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I am trying to understand a build failure on rawhide [1]. The build is >> failing during the conversion of a (LaTeX generated) ps file to a pdf >> file using ps2pdf: > > You p

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Fedora Upgrade - using yum

2013-01-25 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 25.01.2013 05:46, schrieb Simo Sorce: > That said I think trying a distro-sync from a graphical session is just > a funny and instructive experience, I wouldn't recommend it as you'll > keep the pieces when your session blows up and brings with it your yum > upgrade, but it is certainly instru

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Fedora Upgrade - using yum

2013-01-25 Thread Björn Persson
Adam Williamson wrote: > (As a side note, I would like to avoid describing fedup as 'officially > supported' and describe it instead as 'officially recommended' - it's an > important semantic difference, I think.) Good idea. I've often wondered what it means that upgrading by Yum isn't supported,

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Fedora Upgrade - using yum

2013-01-25 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Ven 25 janvier 2013 00:12, Lennart Poettering a écrit : > Applications have deps on all kinds of > data in /usr/lib, not just shared libraries. Such as locale data, icons, > fonts, artwork, documentation. BTW Firefox seems to be the only application that goes bonkers when fonts are updated wh

Re: Start of systemd timers after install/update of a package

2013-01-25 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 01/25/2013 02:46 PM, Marcela Mašláňová wrote: What is the added value of migration of cron jobs? I, as maintainer of cron, obviously don't see the added value. What might be interesting would be converting cron.daily jobs as systemd task. If systemd could execute daily job in time, when syst

Re: Start of systemd timers after install/update of a package

2013-01-25 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 01/25/2013 03:19 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: If that were done, how easy would it be for system administrators who need these jobs to actually run at a specific time to adjust that? You alter the time units the same way you alter any service unit ( same hurdle ) JBG -- devel mailing list de

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Shared System Certificates

2013-01-25 Thread Stef Walter
On 01/25/2013 04:19 PM, Florian Weimer wrote: > On 01/24/2013 12:30 PM, Stef Walter wrote: > >> So yes, as noted in the 'Detailed Description' of the feature, long term >> we hope to follow this up with further work to make all the crypto >> libraries be able to process the information in its enti

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Replace MySQL with MariaDB

2013-01-25 Thread Andrew Rist
On 1/23/2013 6:05 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Wed, 2013-01-23 at 17:49 -0800, Andrew Rist wrote: but the database choice for Fedora should only focus on the merits and the quality of the MySQL code You may have read the mission statement, but you appear to have entirely missed the four found

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Replace MySQL with MariaDB

2013-01-25 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 12:49 PM, Andrew Rist wrote: > > When it comes to "Freedom"many companies working, contributing, and > supporting open source codebases have information disclosure policies very > similar to MySQL [1]. The code is still GPL and out there for everyone to > check ou

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Fedora Upgrade - using yum

2013-01-25 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 01/24/2013 06:12 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: If you restart any of those you bring down the entire machine basically, or bring down at least the bits you really want to avoid, i.e. the user's sessions... Then all code that runs that is not a system service is difficult to restart from a sys

Re: Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Fedora Upgrade - using yum

2013-01-25 Thread kaperang07
> On 01/24/2013 06:12 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > > If you restart any of those you bring down the entire machine basically, > > or bring down at least the bits you really want to avoid, i.e. the > > user's sessions... > > > > Then all code that runs that is not a system service is difficult to

Re: Static Analysis: results of FUDcon Lawrence hackfest

2013-01-25 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 10:35:29AM -0500, David Malcolm wrote: > As Kamil points out elsewhere in this thread, what we need are automated > tools that can run on code and emit warnings, without needing human > intervention. My point was that there are two sorts of analysis. The kind which is comm

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Fedora Upgrade - using yum

2013-01-25 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Fri, 25.01.13 08:58, Simo Sorce (s...@redhat.com) wrote: > On Fri, 2013-01-25 at 05:42 +, Matthew Garrett wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 11:46:24PM -0500, Simo Sorce wrote: > > > > > We are all grown up enough to decide for our own, just give the > > > information and let the admin tak

Re: Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Fedora Upgrade - using yum

2013-01-25 Thread kaperang07
> On Fri, 25.01.13 08:58, Simo Sorce (s...@redhat.com) wrote: > > > On Fri, 2013-01-25 at 05:42 +, Matthew Garrett wrote: > > > On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 11:46:24PM -0500, Simo Sorce wrote: > > > > > > > We are all grown up enough to decide for our own, just give the > > > > information and let

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Fedora Upgrade - using yum

2013-01-25 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Fri, 25.01.13 13:02, Przemek Klosowski (przemek.klosow...@nist.gov) wrote: > On 01/24/2013 06:12 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > >If you restart any of those you bring down the entire machine basically, > >or bring down at least the bits you really want to avoid, i.e. the > >user's sessions...

Re: Start of systemd timers after install/update of a package

2013-01-25 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Fri, 25.01.13 08:36, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" (johan...@gmail.com) wrote: > On 01/24/2013 11:53 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > >a) list them in the "%systemd_post" rpm macro (and the other macros too) > >like you would do for service units. Note that "%systemd_post" and > >friends take

Re: Start of systemd timers after install/update of a package

2013-01-25 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Fri, 25.01.13 10:25, Matthew Miller (mat...@fedoraproject.org) wrote: > On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 12:53:02AM +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote: > > c) Or you could list them as "Wants=" dependency in your service unit's > >[Service] section. That means that whenever your service unit is > >

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Fedora Upgrade - using yum

2013-01-25 Thread Bill Nottingham
Lennart Poettering (mzerq...@0pointer.de) said: > I'll wait your patches for the kernel to allow seamless upgrades of the > kernel without reboots. Sure, just have a ksplice server that generates splices for each new kernel build relative to the previous one, and your upgrade process downloads al

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Replace MySQL with MariaDB

2013-01-25 Thread Morten Stevens
On 25.01.2013 18:49, Andrew Rist wrote: On 1/23/2013 6:05 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Wed, 2013-01-23 at 17:49 -0800, Andrew Rist wrote: but the database choice for Fedora should only focus on the merits and the quality of the MySQL code You may have read the mission statement, but you appe

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Replace MySQL with MariaDB

2013-01-25 Thread Norvald Ryeng
- m...@zarb.org wrote: > So let's take a very narrow and specific example, and see what could you > do after the fact to make packagers life easier. > > While working with Remi on a package review[1], I was quite surprised to > see that one Oracle engineer created a internal bug for the inclu

Re: Static Analysis: results of FUDcon Lawrence hackfest

2013-01-25 Thread Kamil Dudka
On Friday, January 25, 2013 18:17:09 Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 10:35:29AM -0500, David Malcolm wrote: > > As Kamil points out elsewhere in this thread, what we need are automated > > tools that can run on code and emit warnings, without needing human > > intervention. > >

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Fedora Upgrade - using yum

2013-01-25 Thread Przemek Klosowski
My point is that it'd be nice to improve the upgrades. I love upgrades---I love the shiny new toys and I hate them for the disruption they always bring, at someone else's schedule. As you say, there are good reasons why it's what it is now, and maybe you're right that it can't be significantly

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Fedora Upgrade - using yum

2013-01-25 Thread Simo Sorce
On Fri, 2013-01-25 at 19:20 +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Fri, 25.01.13 08:58, Simo Sorce (s...@redhat.com) wrote: > > > On Fri, 2013-01-25 at 05:42 +, Matthew Garrett wrote: > > > On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 11:46:24PM -0500, Simo Sorce wrote: > > > > > > > We are all grown up enough to

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Fedora Upgrade - using yum

2013-01-25 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 14:22:44 -0500, Przemek Klosowski wrote: My point is that it'd be nice to improve the upgrades. I love upgrades---I love the shiny new toys and I hate them for the disruption they always bring, at someone else's schedule. As you say, there are good reasons why it's wh

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Replace MySQL with MariaDB

2013-01-25 Thread Remi Collet
Le 25/01/2013 19:46, Norvald Ryeng a écrit : > Here's the bug: http://bugs.mysql.com/bug.php?id=68182 So, a few questions ? - why do you publish "community" source tarball with non GPL documentation inside ? We need to recreate a "nodocs" tarball for each version, nightmare Ex : mysql, mysql-wo

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Fedora Upgrade - using yum

2013-01-25 Thread Michał Piotrowski
Hi, 2013/1/23 "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" : > On 01/23/2013 10:55 PM, drago01 wrote: >> >> Supporting "none" is not an option. > > > Really suddenly not an option. > > We did that for a long time why is that suddenly not an option so please > enlighten me why that's not an option. > > Users are better

Re: Start of systemd timers after install/update of a package

2013-01-25 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 01/25/2013 06:32 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: That's a clear "no". Preset files shall never be shipped by their own packages. That defeats their point. Then timer units should always be enabled in the preset config JBG -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedo

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Fedora Upgrade - using yum

2013-01-25 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 01/25/2013 07:39 PM, Michał Piotrowski wrote: Hi, 2013/1/23 "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" : On 01/23/2013 10:55 PM, drago01 wrote: Supporting "none" is not an option. Really suddenly not an option. We did that for a long time why is that suddenly not an option so please enlighten me why that's

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Fedora Upgrade - using yum

2013-01-25 Thread Simo Sorce
On Fri, 2013-01-25 at 20:17 +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > On 01/25/2013 07:39 PM, Michał Piotrowski wrote: > > Hi, > > > > 2013/1/23 "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" : > >> On 01/23/2013 10:55 PM, drago01 wrote: > >>> Supporting "none" is not an option. > >> > >> Really suddenly not an option. > >

Re: BuildRequires for texlive stuff for F18 and beyond

2013-01-25 Thread Frank Ch. Eigler
Hi - jonathan.underwood wrote: > [...] > With the more fine grained texlive packaging in F>18 where tex(latex) is > provided by texlive-collection-latex I am finding that this is insufficient to > build most documents. I see two options in these cases: > > 1) Add BuildRequires; texlive-collectio

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Fedora Upgrade - using yum

2013-01-25 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 01/25/2013 08:32 PM, Simo Sorce wrote: On Fri, 2013-01-25 at 20:17 +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: On 01/25/2013 07:39 PM, Michał Piotrowski wrote: Hi, 2013/1/23 "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" : On 01/23/2013 10:55 PM, drago01 wrote: Supporting "none" is not an option. Really suddenly not

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Fedora Upgrade - using yum

2013-01-25 Thread Frank Ch. Eigler
Simo Sorce writes: > [...] B) I will *not* trust an update system that cuts me out of my > remote server and make me *hope* it will come up later. If yum > freaks out for *whatever* reason I want to be there with an > emergency shell open [...] I've been saved more than once by a > shell open d

[Bug 904249] New: /NoAuth isn't specified in /etc/httpd/conf.d/rt3.conf

2013-01-25 Thread bugzilla
Product: Fedora EPEL https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=904249 Bug ID: 904249 Summary: /NoAuth isn't specified in /etc/httpd/conf.d/rt3.conf Product: Fedora EPEL Version: el6 Component: rt3 Severity: unspecified Pri

Re: BuildRequires for texlive stuff for F18 and beyond

2013-01-25 Thread Benjamin De Kosnik
> > [...] > > With the more fine grained texlive packaging in F>18 where > > tex(latex) is provided by texlive-collection-latex I am finding > > that this is insufficient to build most documents. I see two > > options in these cases: > > > > 1) Add BuildRequires; texlive-collection-latexextra  (nb

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Fedora Upgrade - using yum

2013-01-25 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 03:51:14PM -0500, Frank Ch. Eigler wrote: > Simo Sorce writes: > > > [...] B) I will *not* trust an update system that cuts me out of my > > remote server and make me *hope* it will come up later. If yum > > freaks out for *whatever* reason I want to be there with an > >

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Fedora Upgrade - using yum

2013-01-25 Thread Mike Pinkerton
On 25 Jan 2013, at 14:23, Simo Sorce wrote: Ah, so you have to reboot anyway, so where is the difference between your approach and proper offline updates then? Either way you have to interrupt your work to reboot the machine. One just takes a slight bit longer for rebooting... A) One sing

icu 50 soname bump

2013-01-25 Thread Orion Poplawski
FYI - Looks like icu 50 landed in rawhide today with the usual soname bump -- Orion Poplawski Technical Manager 303-415-9701 x222 NWRA, Boulder Office FAX: 303-415-9702 3380 Mitchell Lane or...@nwra.com Boulder, CO 80301

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Fedora Upgrade - using yum

2013-01-25 Thread Simo Sorce
On Fri, 2013-01-25 at 21:57 +, Matthew Garrett wrote: > On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 03:51:14PM -0500, Frank Ch. Eigler wrote: > > Simo Sorce writes: > > > > > [...] B) I will *not* trust an update system that cuts me out of my > > > remote server and make me *hope* it will come up later. If yum

Re: icu 50 soname bump

2013-01-25 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Orion Poplawski wrote: > FYI - Looks like icu 50 landed in rawhide today with the usual soname bump Seems like your rebuild failed http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=380678 Rahul -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https:

Bug 894274: sqlgrey rebuild

2013-01-25 Thread Bojan Smojver
Hi, Could someone with relevant privileges please pick up one of the attached patches (most likely the second one) to this bug and rebuild sqlgrey for F-18. With the default config, sqlgrey otherwise dies after receiving connection from Postfix and trying to process the e-mail. Thanks, -- Bojan

Re: Static Analysis: results of FUDcon Lawrence hackfest

2013-01-25 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Thu, 24 Jan 2013 17:41:29 -0600 Josh Bressers wrote: > On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 10:44 AM, David Malcolm > wrote: > > > > > Anyone interested in helping with this? There's plenty of scope > > for getting involved: > > * building the web UI for dealing with the results (any Python web > > dev

Re: icu 50 soname bump

2013-01-25 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 15:35:58 -0700 Orion Poplawski wrote: > FYI - Looks like icu 50 landed in rawhide today with the usual soname > bump Yep. ;( I mailed the commiter to try and coordinate/do a better job of notifying people next time. kevin signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- dev

Re: icu 50 soname bump

2013-01-25 Thread Orion Poplawski
On 01/25/2013 03:48 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Hi On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Orion Poplawski mailto:or...@cora.nwra.com>> wrote: FYI - Looks like icu 50 landed in rawhide today with the usual soname bump Seems like your rebuild failed http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?bu

Outage: Buildsystem Reboots and storage move 2013-01-30 22:00 UTC

2013-01-25 Thread Kevin Fenzi
Outage: Buildsystem Reboots and storage move 2013-01-30 22:00 UTC There will be an outage starting at 2013-01-30 22:00 UTC, which will last approximately 2 hours. To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/UTCHowto or run: date -d '2013-0

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Fedora Upgrade - using yum

2013-01-25 Thread Michael Scherer
Le vendredi 25 janvier 2013 à 19:20 +0100, Lennart Poettering a écrit : > Ah, so you have to reboot anyway, so where is the difference between > your approach and proper offline updates then? Either way you have to > interrupt your work to reboot the machine. One just takes a slight bit > longer f

Making rygel build in rawhide

2013-01-25 Thread Nathaniel McCallum
Could someone apply this patch to rygel so at least we can get a successful build? http://git.gnome.org/browse/rygel/commit/?h=wip/new-gupnp-dlna&id=118af0f588879703e0dd7d01787897b5893032e0 Thanks, Nathaniel -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailm

Re: Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Fedora Upgrade - using yum

2013-01-25 Thread William Brown
> > Ah, so you have to reboot anyway, so where is the difference > between > your approach and proper offline updates then? Either way you > have to > interrupt your work to reboot the machine. One just takes a > slight bit > longer

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Fedora Upgrade - using yum

2013-01-25 Thread Sam Varshavchik
William Brown writes: In the future, hopefully once btrfs is a bit more mature, perhaps it could be considered to make a new writable snapshot subvolume of the system, and the use yum prefix to update the new subvolume. When you reboot, the new subvolume can become the new root. a) Currently ru

how reload udev rules and systemd on F18

2013-01-25 Thread Sérgio Basto
Hi, how I should do the old command udevadm: control --reload-rules ? is correct : systemctl restart udev.service ? I don't find any in documentation that guarantee this . BTW in F18: udev.service change the name to systemd-udevd.service. So put in package spec, is this correct way ? %if 0%{?fed

Re: Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Fedora Upgrade - using yum

2013-01-25 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, William Brown said: > In the future, hopefully once btrfs is a bit more mature, perhaps it > could be considered to make a new writable snapshot subvolume of the > system, and the use yum prefix to update the new subvolume. When you > reboot, the new subvolume can become the new

Re: rawhide report: 20130125 changes

2013-01-25 Thread Kevin Fenzi
Another week, another broken stuff in rawhide... On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 13:45:52 + Fedora Rawhide Report wrote: > Compose started at Fri Jan 25 08:15:13 UTC 2013 > > Broken deps for x86_64 > -- rebuilt: > [aunit] > aunit-2012-2.

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