Le Mar 21 juin 2011 01:49, Adam Williamson a écrit :
> If you're so worried about the dependency logic, why not just update the
> package and *remove* the incomplete or incorrect dependency statements
> entirely, and thereby cause systemd to fall back on the numeric
> ordering?
Because you have
...snip...
Not to prolong this thread, but I'd just like folks to know I have
placed Reindl under moderation on this list. I'll be happy to pass
through any posts that are on-topic and keeping things on a
professional/technical level.
I urge everyone to read:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Commu
Am 21.06.2011 16:56, schrieb Toshio Kuratomi:
> To add something actually constructive... someone could propose that
> services which don't have systemd unit files don't ship for F16 (Probably as
> part of the http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/SysVtoSystemd )
yes
> That is an idea that has
> On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 07:56:00 -0700
> Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
>
> > To add something actually constructive... someone could propose that
> > services which don't have systemd unit files don't ship for F16
> > (Probably as part of the
> > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/SysVtoSystemd )
> >
On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 07:56:00 -0700
Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
> To add something actually constructive... someone could propose that
> services which don't have systemd unit files don't ship for F16
> (Probably as part of the
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/SysVtoSystemd )
>
> That is an id
On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 03:27:16PM +0200, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote:
> On 06/21/2011 12:45 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
> >
> >
> > Am 21.06.2011 07:23, schrieb Alexander Kurtakov:
> >> I wonder how could someone would put a deadline on volunteers?
> >> You can't :)
> >
> > oh in the thread "Packages
ok folks.
I don't think anyone is gaining much value from this thread anymore.
Can we move it on to:
a) bug reports. If you have found a bug, file it and work it with the
maintainer.
b) users list. If you are running into a problem with a current fedora
release doing something.
As far as f
On 06/21/2011 12:45 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>
>
> Am 21.06.2011 07:23, schrieb Alexander Kurtakov:
>> I wonder how could someone would put a deadline on volunteers?
>> You can't :)
>
> oh in the thread "Packages that will be orphaned" you can?
Yes, because if the deadline passes then the packages
Am 21.06.2011 07:23, schrieb Alexander Kurtakov:
> I wonder how could someone would put a deadline on volunteers?
> You can't :)
oh in the thread "Packages that will be orphaned" you can?
but for quality reasons not?
> How would you make someone provide systemd-services if he/she doesn't have a
Am 21.06.2011 05:38, schrieb Garry T. Williams:
> On Monday, June 20, 2011 22:45:14 Reindl Harald wrote:
>> Am 21.06.2011 04:29, schrieb Garry T. Williams:
>>> On Monday, June 20, 2011 19:48:53 Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 21.06.2011 01:30, schrieb Lennart Poettering:
> On Tue, 21.06.11 01:07
On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 5:19 AM, Peter Hutterer
wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 02:18:48AM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote:
>> please read this post, do not answer until tomorrwor and
>> try to undertand what i hardly want to explain you
>>
>> Am 21.06.2011 01:35, schrieb Lennart Poettering:
>> > On T
On 08:17:24 AM Tuesday, June 21, 2011 Reindl Harald wrote:
> Am 21.06.2011 01:44, schrieb Adam Williamson:
> >> so where was the QA before the release which forbids fix the release?
> >
> > Well, a few things:
> >
> > There's no planned testing of mysql prior to release. QA does not have
> > the
On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 02:18:48AM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote:
> please read this post, do not answer until tomorrwor and
> try to undertand what i hardly want to explain you
>
> Am 21.06.2011 01:35, schrieb Lennart Poettering:
> > On Tue, 21.06.11 01:18, Reindl Harald (h.rei...@thelounge.net) wro
On Monday, June 20, 2011 22:45:14 Reindl Harald wrote:
> Am 21.06.2011 04:29, schrieb Garry T. Williams:
> > On Monday, June 20, 2011 19:48:53 Reindl Harald wrote:
> >> Am 21.06.2011 01:30, schrieb Lennart Poettering:
> >>> On Tue, 21.06.11 01:07, Reindl Harald (h.rei...@thelounge.net) wrote:
> >>>
Am 21.06.2011 04:29, schrieb Garry T. Williams:
> On Monday, June 20, 2011 19:48:53 Reindl Harald wrote:
>>
>> Am 21.06.2011 01:30, schrieb Lennart Poettering:
>>> On Tue, 21.06.11 01:07, Reindl Harald (h.rei...@thelounge.net) wrote:
>>> On F15, an admin who types "systemctl stop mysqld.service"
On Monday, June 20, 2011 19:48:53 Reindl Harald wrote:
>
> Am 21.06.2011 01:30, schrieb Lennart Poettering:
> > On Tue, 21.06.11 01:07, Reindl Harald (h.rei...@thelounge.net) wrote:
> > On F15, an admin who types "systemctl stop mysqld.service" will get just
> > that, since socket activation is no
sorry TYPO below
dbmail-imapd.service:
Before=mysqld.service
results also in mysql-errors in dbmail
please take a look at the follwoing bugreport
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=714426
Am 21.06.2011 02:18, schrieb Reindl Harald:
> please read this post, do not answer until tomorrwor
please read this post, do not answer until tomorrwor and
try to undertand what i hardly want to explain you
Am 21.06.2011 01:35, schrieb Lennart Poettering:
> On Tue, 21.06.11 01:18, Reindl Harald (h.rei...@thelounge.net) wrote:
>
>>> You keep talking about 'random order' but I'm not sure this is
On Tue, 2011-06-21 at 02:02 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote:
>
> Am 21.06.2011 01:44, schrieb Adam Williamson:
> >> so where was the QA before the release which forbids fix the release?
> >
> > Well, a few things:
> >
> > There's no planned testing of mysql prior to release. QA does not have
> > the
Am 21.06.2011 01:44, schrieb Adam Williamson:
>> so where was the QA before the release which forbids fix the release?
>
> Well, a few things:
>
> There's no planned testing of mysql prior to release. QA does not have
> the resources to test every feature of Fedora; what gets tested are
> thing
On Tue, 2011-06-21 at 01:54 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote:
>
> Am 21.06.2011 01:38, schrieb Lennart Poettering:
> > On Tue, 21.06.11 01:33, Reindl Harald (h.rei...@thelounge.net) wrote:
>
> >> useless as long it fires them up as fast as possible and at the same time
> >> so you need socket activatio
Am 21.06.2011 01:44, schrieb Adam Williamson:
> On Tue, 2011-06-21 at 01:18 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote:
>
>> what exactly do you not understand in the fact that even starting myqld
>> first does not help with a large database since mysqld needs some seconds
>> to accept connections and systemd f
Am 21.06.2011 01:38, schrieb Lennart Poettering:
> On Tue, 21.06.11 01:33, Reindl Harald (h.rei...@thelounge.net) wrote:
>> useless as long it fires them up as fast as possible and at the same time
>> so you need socket activation, so you need native services
>
> This is a misunderstanding. If
On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 13:31 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
> So what is the point of effectively rewriting existing sysV services in a new
> sysV dialect now (to rewrite them again next release as native systemd units)
> instead or rewriting them directly as systemd services? In both cases there is
Am 21.06.2011 01:30, schrieb Lennart Poettering:
> On Tue, 21.06.11 01:07, Reindl Harald (h.rei...@thelounge.net) wrote:
> On F15, an admin who types "systemctl stop mysqld.service" will get just
> that, since socket activation is not used.
I HAVE TO USE IT SINCE YOU ARE STARTING SERVICES PARALL
On Tue, 2011-06-21 at 01:18 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote:
> what exactly do you not understand in the fact that even starting myqld
> first does not help with a large database since mysqld needs some seconds
> to accept connections and systemd fires up the follwing services
So would any other init
On Tue, 21.06.11 01:33, Reindl Harald (h.rei...@thelounge.net) wrote:
>
>
> Am 21.06.2011 01:23, schrieb Lennart Poettering:
> >> I don't know if it respects the number-based ordering for services which
> >> simply don't include LSB-compliant dependency information at all.
> >
> > Yes, it respe
On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 1:23 AM, Lennart Poettering
wrote:
> Yes, it respects the number-based ordering between two services if
> neither includes LSB information.
In other words, it is incompatible with F14's chkconfig. So much for
that "compatible with sysV" claim...
(I'm not going to argue th
On Tue, 21.06.11 01:18, Reindl Harald (h.rei...@thelounge.net) wrote:
> > You keep talking about 'random order' but I'm not sure this is accurate.
> > My understanding was that systemd respects the dependency information in
> > LSB-compliant headers and hence will fire these up in the correct orde
Am 21.06.2011 01:23, schrieb Lennart Poettering:
>> I don't know if it respects the number-based ordering for services which
>> simply don't include LSB-compliant dependency information at all.
>
> Yes, it respects the number-based ordering between two services if
> neither includes LSB informat
On Tue, 21.06.11 01:07, Reindl Harald (h.rei...@thelounge.net) wrote:
>
>
> Am 21.06.2011 00:58, schrieb Lennart Poettering:
> > Well, if you use .socket units, then you need to shut them down too, if
> > you want to be sure a service is never triggered due to socket
> > activation
>
> well - i
On Mon, 20.06.11 10:40, Adam Williamson (awill...@redhat.com) wrote:
>
> On Sun, 2011-06-19 at 15:42 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote:
>
> > i need to be sorry because i never had thought that since "systemd" was
> > planned for F14 and not ready it will be for F15, and ready is for me
> > using it re
Am 20.06.2011 19:40, schrieb Adam Williamson:
> You keep talking about 'random order' but I'm not sure this is accurate.
> My understanding was that systemd respects the dependency information in
> LSB-compliant headers and hence will fire these up in the correct order
> as long as the dependenc
Am 21.06.2011 00:58, schrieb Lennart Poettering:
> Well, if you use .socket units, then you need to shut them down too, if
> you want to be sure a service is never triggered due to socket
> activation
well - if you really like to make this useable systemd
should be smart enough to do this since
On Sun, 2011-06-19 at 15:42 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote:
> i need to be sorry because i never had thought that since "systemd" was
> planned for F14 and not ready it will be for F15, and ready is for me
> using it really as designed or delay the release again - it is unacceptable
> fpr a production
On Tue, 21.06.11 00:52, Reindl Harald (h.rei...@thelounge.net) wrote:
> > If there are dependencies missing, then they should be added to the
> > respective init script headers, please file bugs against the respective
> > packages.
>
> it has to respect "# chkconfig: - 79 31" since this worked fo
Am 21.06.2011 00:40, schrieb Lennart Poettering:
>> below a well defined and since years working starting order
>> and now tell me how this will work with your blind "i fire up
>> every service as fast as i can to make boot 5 seconds faster"
>> when the result is nothing orks as expected?
>
> I
On Tue, 21.06.11 00:15, Reindl Harald (h.rei...@thelounge.net) wrote:
> >> because there are a lot of services in LSB-Mode i filed for everyone a
> >> bugreport - sad to see that most packages are not F15 ready
> >
> > systemd reads SysV/LSB init scripts as alternative configuration source if
>
today i am starting holidays for two weeks, anyways i will try to explain you
the real
world and why it doe not matter most of the time if a system boots 5 seconds
faster if
it does this relieable
Am 20.06.2011 19:24, schrieb Lennart Poettering:
> On Sun, 19.06.11 11:48, Reindl Harald (h.rei...@
On Mon, 20.06.11 13:31, Nicolas Mailhot (nicolas.mail...@laposte.net) wrote:
>
>
> Le Lun 20 juin 2011 12:41, Mathieu Bridon a écrit :
> >
> > On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 11:20 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote:
>
> >> this is NOT solveable they way systemd fires up sysv services
> >
> > It is, but it might
On Sun, 19.06.11 11:48, Reindl Harald (h.rei...@thelounge.net) wrote:
> because there are a lot of services in LSB-Mode i filed for everyone a
> bugreport - sad to see that most packages are not F15 ready
systemd reads SysV/LSB init scripts as alternative configuration source if
no native unit f
Le Lun 20 juin 2011 12:41, Mathieu Bridon a écrit :
>
> On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 11:20 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote:
>> this is NOT solveable they way systemd fires up sysv services
>
> It is, but it might be a too disruptive update to be allowed in a stable
> release.
Really, systemd's "pretty dece
On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 11:20 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote:
>
> Am 20.06.2011 10:09, schrieb Mathieu Bridon:
>
> >> and the policy says "no change for F15", so F15 is released broken
> >> and has a policy not to fix it the whole lifetime - WTF?
> >
> > Fedora 15 is not broken (at least not regarding
Am 20.06.2011 10:09, schrieb Mathieu Bridon:
>> and the policy says "no change for F15", so F15 is released broken
>> and has a policy not to fix it the whole lifetime - WTF?
>
> Fedora 15 is not broken (at least not regarding systemd integration).
>
> Systemd has a pretty decent compatibility
On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 09:39 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote:
>
> Am 20.06.2011 09:11, schrieb drago01:
> > 2011/6/19 Reindl Harald :
> >> [...]
> >> i am sorry too that my day has only 24 hours and that i was not aware that
> >> this work
> >> was not done from the package-maintainers since i packaged
Am 20.06.2011 09:11, schrieb drago01:
> 2011/6/19 Reindl Harald :
>> [...]
>> i am sorry too that my day has only 24 hours and that i was not aware that
>> this work
>> was not done from the package-maintainers since i packaged most services with
>> syetmd-files the last days but not very happy
On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 9:39 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>
>
> Am 20.06.2011 09:11, schrieb drago01:
>> 2011/6/19 Reindl Harald :
>>> [...]
>>> i am sorry too that my day has only 24 hours and that i was not aware that
>>> this work
>>> was not done from the package-maintainers since i packaged most
2011/6/19 Reindl Harald :
> [...]
> i am sorry too that my day has only 24 hours and that i was not aware that
> this work
> was not done from the package-maintainers since i packaged most services with
> syetmd-files the last days but not very happy with them because few
> expierience
> and some
On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 11:48:09AM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote:
> because there are a lot of services in LSB-Mode i filed for everyone a
> bugreport - sad to see that most packages are not F15 ready
>
> pure-ftpd: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=714424
> mysql: https://bugzilla.red
Am 19.06.2011 15:34, schrieb Michał Piotrowski:
> W dniu 19 czerwca 2011 13:03 użytkownik Reindl Harald
> napisał:
>>
>>
>> Am 19.06.2011 12:56, schrieb Michał Piotrowski:
>>> W dniu 19 czerwca 2011 12:41 użytkownik Reindl Harald
>>> napisał:
i better not comment this with more than "
W dniu 19 czerwca 2011 13:03 użytkownik Reindl Harald
napisał:
>
>
> Am 19.06.2011 12:56, schrieb Michał Piotrowski:
>> W dniu 19 czerwca 2011 12:41 użytkownik Reindl Harald
>> napisał:
>>>
>>> i better not comment this with more than "normally F15 should have not been
>>> released
>>> without t
Am 19.06.2011 14:21, schrieb Ville Skyttä:
> On 06/19/2011 01:41 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>> Am 19.06.2011 12:32, schrieb Michał Piotrowski:
>>>
>>> Seems to me very unlikely to see a new systemd services in F15
>>
>> i better not comment this with more than "normally F15 should have not been
>>
On 06/19/2011 01:41 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
> Am 19.06.2011 12:32, schrieb Michał Piotrowski:
>>
>> Seems to me very unlikely to see a new systemd services in F15
>
> i better not comment this with more than "normally F15 should have not been
> released
> without them" and if so it should be fix
Am 19.06.2011 12:56, schrieb Michał Piotrowski:
> W dniu 19 czerwca 2011 12:41 użytkownik Reindl Harald
> napisał:
>>
>> i better not comment this with more than "normally F15 should have not been
>> released
>> without them" and if so it should be fixed
>
> I wanted that F15 contain systemd s
W dniu 19 czerwca 2011 12:41 użytkownik Reindl Harald
napisał:
>
> i better not comment this with more than "normally F15 should have not been
> released
> without them" and if so it should be fixed
I wanted that F15 contain systemd service files for all important
services - unfortunately, few p
Am 19.06.2011 12:32, schrieb Michał Piotrowski:
> 2011/6/19 Reindl Harald :
>>
>>
>> Am 19.06.2011 12:16, schrieb Michał Piotrowski:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> 2011/6/19 Reindl Harald :
because there are a lot of services in LSB-Mode i filed for everyone a
bugreport - sad to see that most package
On 06/19/2011 12:48 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
> because there are a lot of services in LSB-Mode i filed for everyone a
> bugreport - sad to see that most packages are not F15 ready
This is something that should not be attempted in a stable Fedora
release (F15), but instead in rawhide (F16). Furthe
2011/6/19 Reindl Harald :
>
>
> Am 19.06.2011 12:16, schrieb Michał Piotrowski:
>> Hi,
>>
>> 2011/6/19 Reindl Harald :
>>> because there are a lot of services in LSB-Mode i filed for everyone a
>>> bugreport - sad to see that most packages are not F15 ready
>>
>> I'm not sure if this is the right
Am 19.06.2011 12:16, schrieb Michał Piotrowski:
> Hi,
>
> 2011/6/19 Reindl Harald :
>> because there are a lot of services in LSB-Mode i filed for everyone a
>> bugreport - sad to see that most packages are not F15 ready
>
> I'm not sure if this is the right way. Anyway, there are systemd
> se
Hi,
2011/6/19 Reindl Harald :
> because there are a lot of services in LSB-Mode i filed for everyone a
> bugreport - sad to see that most packages are not F15 ready
I'm not sure if this is the right way. Anyway, there are systemd
services for some of these packages
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki
because there are a lot of services in LSB-Mode i filed for everyone a
bugreport - sad to see that most packages are not F15 ready
pure-ftpd: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=714424
mysql: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=714426
dbmail:https://bugzilla.redhat.com/sho
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