Re: mutter broken in Rawhide

2016-12-08 Thread Kevin Kofler
Samuel Sieb wrote: > You keep making this point, but I haven't seen any explanation for it. > Why is it necessary to have Rawhide broken in order to do development? > Don't you develop locally and then push the result when it's functional? No (at least not for the typical packaging "development" w

Re: mutter broken in Rawhide

2016-12-08 Thread Kevin Kofler
Adam Williamson wrote: > But it does depend on several other things that went through the libldb > / libtdb complex. KDE images failed to compose and KDE package sets > failed to install just like Server and Workstation. (KDE is in fact > still broken even now ldb and tdb have been fixed, but that'

Re: mutter broken in Rawhide

2016-12-08 Thread Nico Kadel-Garcia
On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 2:13 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: > Emphasis is original, not mine. > > More to the point: it is entirely awful for the quality of Fedora as a > whole if Rawhide is allowed to be completely broken for substantial > periods of time - and this *did* make Rawhide completely brok

Re: mutter broken in Rawhide

2016-12-07 Thread Pavel Raiskup
On Wednesday, December 7, 2016 6:21:02 AM CET Kevin Kofler wrote: > Kamil Paral wrote: > > This serves as a nice example why we need to tweak how Rawhide works if we > > want people actually running on it. > > And why do we need that? This is clear to me: Early testing -> early fixes -> faster d

Re: mutter broken in Rawhide

2016-12-07 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 12/07/2016 05:13 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Adam Williamson wrote: More to the point: it is entirely awful for the quality of Fedora as a whole if Rawhide is allowed to be completely broken for substantial periods of time - and this *did* make Rawhide completely broken. You may consider it awf

Re: mutter broken in Rawhide

2016-12-07 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2016-12-08 at 02:13 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Adam Williamson wrote: > > More to the point: it is entirely awful for the quality of Fedora as a > > whole if Rawhide is allowed to be completely broken for substantial > > periods of time - and this *did* make Rawhide completely broken. >

Re: mutter broken in Rawhide

2016-12-07 Thread Kevin Kofler
Adam Williamson wrote: > More to the point: it is entirely awful for the quality of Fedora as a > whole if Rawhide is allowed to be completely broken for substantial > periods of time - and this *did* make Rawhide completely broken. You may consider it awful, but it is necessary to allow developme

Re: mutter broken in Rawhide

2016-12-07 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 6.12.2016 v 15:19 Kamil Paral napsal(a): >> To all Rawhide users, be careful with update of mutter. It seems that >> mutter-3.23.2-2.fc26 is broken [1], which prevents you from log in to >> your system. Downgrade to mutter-3.23.1-2.fc26.x86_64 workarounded the >> issues for me. >> >> >> Vít >>

Re: mutter broken in Rawhide

2016-12-07 Thread Charles-Antoine Couret
> Kamil Paral wrote: > > And why do we need that? Rawhide is a place to do development, not a rolling > release distro. What is the purpose of Rawhide if it could be broken anytime? I can't understand that, the development could be done and Rawhide could be functional at the same time. It's not

Re: mutter broken in Rawhide

2016-12-06 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2016-12-07 at 06:21 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Kamil Paral wrote: > > This serves as a nice example why we need to tweak how Rawhide works if we > > want people actually running on it. > > And why do we need that? Rawhide is a place to do development, not a rolling > release distro. >

Re: mutter broken in Rawhide

2016-12-06 Thread Kevin Kofler
Kamil Paral wrote: > This serves as a nice example why we need to tweak how Rawhide works if we > want people actually running on it. And why do we need that? Rawhide is a place to do development, not a rolling release distro. > So, we either need: > a) updates-testing for Rawhide - e.g. with au

Re: mutter broken in Rawhide

2016-12-06 Thread Kamil Paral
> To all Rawhide users, be careful with update of mutter. It seems that > mutter-3.23.2-2.fc26 is broken [1], which prevents you from log in to > your system. Downgrade to mutter-3.23.1-2.fc26.x86_64 workarounded the > issues for me. > > > Vít > > > [1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?