Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

On Jan 24, 2013, at 9:30 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: > > 2x 80GB virtual disks, mkfs.btrfs -d raid1 -m raid1: > > # df -h > Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on > /dev/sdb160G 56K 158G 1% /mnt Also, copying a 1G file to /mnt, and I end up with: # df -h Filesystem Siz

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

On Jan 24, 2013, at 8:27 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: >> > > Well that's not the one I was thinking of, actually - I believe I was > hit by cases where some subvols use redundancy, in which case df goes > completely wrong. I'd have to re-install and re-check to be sure of > exactly what I saw go

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

On Thu, 2013-01-24 at 19:56 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: > On Jan 24, 2013, at 5:44 PM, Adam Williamson > wrote: > > > > Just about everything in btrfs is really different :) I'm still > wrapping > > my head around it too. But as far as possible, the 'legacy' tools > should > > show something as ac

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

On Jan 24, 2013, at 5:44 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > > Just about everything in btrfs is really different :) I'm still wrapping > my head around it too. But as far as possible, the 'legacy' tools should > show something as accurate and useful as they can, I believe. For mount, the only issue I

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

On Thu, 2013-01-24 at 12:36 -0300, Reartes Guillermo wrote: > http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.file-systems.btrfs/22555 > (Quota reached: can't delete) > > When you reach a quota limit, the first intuitive action one takes is > to delete something to make space. > But aparently (and currently)

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.file-systems.btrfs/22555 (Quota reached: can't delete) When you reach a quota limit, the first intuitive action one takes is to delete something to make space. But aparently (and currently) with btrfs one needs to change the quota and then delete. I have not yet

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

On 01/23/2013 03:53 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Wed, 2013-01-23 at 12:08 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: Mistakenly left this paragraph incomplete, completion follows: I understand that btrfs is a Different Way Of Doing Things, but I don't think it flies to tell people 'yeah, the tools you've

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

On Wed, 2013-01-23 at 12:08 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: Mistakenly left this paragraph incomplete, completion follows: > I understand that btrfs is a Different Way Of Doing Things, but I don't > think it flies to tell people 'yeah, the tools you've relied on for > simple info on filesystems for

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

On Wed, 2013-01-16 at 09:53 +0100, Jochen Schmitt wrote: > Hallo, > > for Fedora 17 we had a feature to make btrfs to the > standard filesystem of Fedora. This feature was defered > because the fsck utitlities for btrfs was not available > on the stable state for Fedora 17. > > So, I would like t

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

On 18/01/13 16:12, Marcela Mašláňová wrote: > The most helpful approach would be provide bug reports, when btrfs will > be proposed as a default file system (again). Without bug reports, real > numbers etc. is hard to make any decision. I don't wish to test on my > machine, so I would be glad for h

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

On 01/16/2013 12:18 PM, Josef Bacik wrote: On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 3:53 AM, Jochen Schmitt mailto:joc...@herr-schmitt.de>> wrote: Hallo, for Fedora 17 we had a feature to make btrfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora. This feature was defered because the fsck utitlities for b

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

On Friday, January 18, 2013 10:55:23 Przemek Klosowski wrote: > I used btrfs on my personal desktop for about a year now and it > works fine for me, other than a nagging suspicion that there's an > occasional performance problem at high load. Yes, this is familiar. I too have used it for over a y

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

On 01/19/2013 10:25 AM, Jan Kratochvil wrote: I am aware the best way to fix known Bugs is ... to just fix those Bugs. Maybe I am pronouncing the obvious, but I am wondering, whether you guys have a "required feature" list and a regression test-suite? At least to me, having both and complyi

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

On Fri, 18 Jan 2013 23:57:38 +0100, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > I wouldn't read it that rigidly. Its more along the lines of, its more > helpful to file bug reports and post them for discussions because its > easier to keep track of. I have already filed enough stopper Bugs for btrfs and nothing happ

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

Hi On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 5:26 PM, Ian Malone wrote: > Or in other words, don't bring up anything here unless it's not in > bugzilla, if it's not in bugzilla go and put it there before we'll > discuss it. > I wouldn't read it that rigidly. Its more along the lines of, its more helpful to file

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

On 18 January 2013 17:19, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 01/18/2013 10:50 AM, Ian Malone wrote: >> >> I suggest sdfs as the new default filesystem, you cannot veto it, but >> highlighting critical bugs will be beneficial. Please post bugzilla links >> rather than descriptions of the issues. Or: Bugs a

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

On 01/18/2013 10:50 AM, Ian Malone wrote: I suggest sdfs as the new default filesystem, you cannot veto it, but highlighting critical bugs will be beneficial. Please post bugzilla links rather than descriptions of the issues. Or: Bugs are not a replacement for discussion. A discussion by def

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

On 01/17/2013 08:19 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 01/17/2013 07:00 PM, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: Yes, I'd veto btrfs as the default as well. I lost a huge chunk of data on a btrfs partition a while back, with *no* diagnostics, .. You don't have the power to veto it although highlighting cri

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

On 18 January 2013 01:19, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 01/17/2013 07:00 PM, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: >> >> Yes, I'd veto btrfs as the default as well. I lost a huge chunk of >> data on a btrfs partition a while back, with *no* diagnostics, >> recovery tools, help from Google, etc. Screw speed -

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

On 01/18/2013 01:00 AM, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 3:10 PM, Marc Deop Argemí wrote: On Wednesday 16 January 2013 12:18:19 Richard W.M. Jones wrote: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=689127 (performance problem with virtual machines) I must add that, in my

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

On 01/17/2013 07:00 PM, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: Yes, I'd veto btrfs as the default as well. I lost a huge chunk of data on a btrfs partition a while back, with *no* diagnostics, recovery tools, help from Google, etc. Screw speed - unless it's rock solid and *simple* to back up, maintain, di

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 3:10 PM, Marc Deop Argemí wrote: > On Wednesday 16 January 2013 12:18:19 Richard W.M. Jones wrote: >> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=689127 >> (performance problem with virtual machines) > > I must add that, in my experience, the performance is *bad* not only i

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

On Wednesday 16 January 2013 12:18:19 Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=689127 > (performance problem with virtual machines) I must add that, in my experience, the performance is *bad* not only in virtual machines but in the whole user experience (I've been u

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

On 01/16/2013 11:41 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: On 01/16/2013 04:23 PM, Eric Sandeen wrote: On 1/16/13 10:04 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 8:22 AM, Jan Kratochvil > wrote: It affects also compilation, GDB was rebuilding for

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 10:14:32PM -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: > Has anyone tested subvolid=xxx works for rootfs yet? I know GRUB 2 > will not resolve subvolid, it essentially treats subvols as folders, > but does it only with pathnames, not ID number. If fstab uses > subvolid for boot, then boot fa

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

On Jan 16, 2013, at 3:07 PM, Peter Robinson wrote: > I thought one of the biggest blockers was the lack of a complete and > stable fsck implementation for it. I think this is a poor metric for outsiders to require. ZFS has been stable for some time and does not have an fsck. A more important q

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

To make BTRFS (or any new file-system) the default for a distribution will be really hard. My thought on the subject: -1. IS IT STILL DESIRED TO MAKE BTRFS THE DEFAULT FILE-SYSTEM FOR FEDORA AT SOME (yet unknown) POINT IN THE FUTURE? 0. DETERMINE A ROOT FILE-SYSTEM CRITERIA (AND/OR a DEFAULT FS

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 12:18 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 09:53:25AM +0100, Jochen Schmitt wrote: >> Hallo, >> >> for Fedora 17 we had a feature to make btrfs to the >> standard filesystem of Fedora. This feature was defered >> because the fsck utitlities for btrfs was

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

On Thu, 17 Jan 2013 08:13:07 +1030 William Brown wrote: > > > ID 258 gen 56580 top level 5 path /root > > I take it then that subvolid 258 is marked as "/" in your fstab? yes, via a subvol=root fstab entry. kevin signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

> ID 258 gen 56580 top level 5 path /root I take it then that subvolid 258 is marked as "/" in your fstab? -- Sincerely, William Brown pgp.mit.edu http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0x3C0AC6DAB2F928A2 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part --

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

On 01/16/2013 01:16 PM, William Brown wrote: > If root isn't placed into a subvolume, say /root then mounted > as /dev/sda1 subvolid=255 / lets say, you can't snapshot the root fs, > which defeats the whole point of using btrfs . Yes you can -- the btrfs wiki even has this example: mount -

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

On Thu, 2013-01-17 at 07:46 +1030, William Brown wrote: > On Wed, 2013-01-16 at 13:17 -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 12:18:37 -0500 > > Josef Bacik wrote: > > > > > I'm waiting until Anaconda settles down before I pursue btrfs in > > > Fedora again. Things change too much and

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

On Thu, 17 Jan 2013 07:46:34 +1030 William Brown wrote: > Did the root volume (/) Go into it's own subvolume, or is root just > in /? > > If root isn't placed into a subvolume, say /root then mounted > as /dev/sda1 subvolid=255 / lets say, you can't snapshot the root fs, > which defeats the who

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

On Wed, 2013-01-16 at 13:17 -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 12:18:37 -0500 > Josef Bacik wrote: > > > I'm waiting until Anaconda settles down before I pursue btrfs in > > Fedora again. Things change too much and Btrfs is too reliant on the > > anaconda part working properly to e

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 9:11 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 03:36:10PM -0500, Josef Bacik wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 1:50 PM, Richard W.M. Jones >wrote: > > > > > On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 10:12:34AM -0800, Zach Brown wrote: > > > > > So there are a couple of issues

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 03:36:10PM -0500, Josef Bacik wrote: > On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 1:50 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > > On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 10:12:34AM -0800, Zach Brown wrote: > > > > So there are a couple of issues with btrfs which I believe absolutely > > > > must be fixed before it

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 1:50 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 10:12:34AM -0800, Zach Brown wrote: > > > So there are a couple of issues with btrfs which I believe absolutely > > > must be fixed before it can become the default > > > > I'd agree, though I'd have a different l

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 12:18:37 -0500 Josef Bacik wrote: > I'm waiting until Anaconda settles down before I pursue btrfs in > Fedora again. Things change too much and Btrfs is too reliant on the > anaconda part working properly to even bother trying to push it > through at this point. Thanks, Wel

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 10:12:34AM -0800, Zach Brown wrote: > > So there are a couple of issues with btrfs which I believe absolutely > > must be fixed before it can become the default > > I'd agree, though I'd have a different list of pet bugs. > > But that's a subjective judgement. I'd be the f

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 1:12 PM, Zach Brown wrote: >> So there are a couple of issues with btrfs which I believe absolutely >> must be fixed before it can become the default > > I'd agree, though I'd have a different list of pet bugs. > > But that's a subjective judgement. I'd be the first to adm

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

> So there are a couple of issues with btrfs which I believe absolutely > must be fixed before it can become the default I'd agree, though I'd have a different list of pet bugs. But that's a subjective judgement. I'd be the first to admit that I'm pretty risk averse, especially when it comes to

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 3:53 AM, Jochen Schmitt wrote: > Hallo, > > for Fedora 17 we had a feature to make btrfs to the > standard filesystem of Fedora. This feature was defered > because the fsck utitlities for btrfs was not available > on the stable state for Fedora 17. > > So, I would like to a

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 12:00 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > > > On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 11:41 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > >> >> Afik Josef just left Red Hat not Fedora... > > > I haven't seen any recent activity in Fedora from him. Have you? > > Did you see consistent activity in Fedor

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

I am testing btrfs on kvm guest, currently i have found: * Bug 894837 - Transient / Intermittent ENOSPC errors with BTRFS and F18 (btrfs gives no space left on device at full or near full filesystem and heavy io, for example deleting stuff to reclaim space.) -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fed

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

On 01/16/2013 12:00 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > I haven't seen any recent activity in Fedora from him. Have you? Rahul Some patches on the btrfs list on Jan 7 and 8, 2013. -- Regards, OldFart -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/lis

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 11:41 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > > Afik Josef just left Red Hat not Fedora... I haven't seen any recent activity in Fedora from him. Have you? Rahul -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

On 01/16/2013 04:23 PM, Eric Sandeen wrote: On 1/16/13 10:04 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 8:22 AM, Jan Kratochvil mailto:jan.kratoch...@redhat.com>> wrote: It affects also compilation, GDB was rebuilding for 10-15 minutes instead of < 1 minute. I have provided

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

On 1/16/13 10:04 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > > > On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 8:22 AM, Jan Kratochvil > wrote: > > > It affects also compilation, GDB was rebuilding for 10-15 minutes instead > of > < 1 minute. I have provided even a reproducer for 1sec

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 8:22 AM, Jan Kratochvil wrote: > > It affects also compilation, GDB was rebuilding for 10-15 minutes instead > of > < 1 minute. I have provided even a reproducer for 1sec vs. 1min issue. > The Bug just got automatically closed without any human reply as almost > all of > th

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 13:18:19 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > So there are a couple of issues with btrfs which I believe absolutely > must be fixed before it can become the default (both affect > virtualization, coincidentally): It affects also compilation, GDB was rebuilding for 10-15 minutes i

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 09:53:25AM +0100, Jochen Schmitt wrote: > Hallo, > > for Fedora 17 we had a feature to make btrfs to the > standard filesystem of Fedora. This feature was defered > because the fsck utitlities for btrfs was not available > on the stable state for Fedora 17. > > So, I would