On Wed, 2012-05-16 at 17:04 +0300, Kalev Lember wrote:
> On 05/16/2012 03:48 PM, Kamil Paral wrote:
> > On 05/09/2012 09:34 PM, Cosimo Cecchi wrote:
> >> On Wed, 2012-05-09 at 04:51 -0400, Kamil Paral wrote:
> >>> Cosimo, can you please also make sure that the Close button gets
> >>> keyboard focus
On 05/16/2012 03:48 PM, Kamil Paral wrote:
> On 05/09/2012 09:34 PM, Cosimo Cecchi wrote:
>> On Wed, 2012-05-09 at 04:51 -0400, Kamil Paral wrote:
>>> Cosimo, can you please also make sure that the Close button gets
>>> keyboard focus automatically after I click on "Try Fedora"?
>>
>> I now fixed t
> On Wed, 2012-05-09 at 04:51 -0400, Kamil Paral wrote:
>
> > Cosimo, can you please also make sure that the Close button gets
> > keyboard focus automatically after I click on "Try Fedora"?
>
> I now fixed this here [1], but it will need to be applied to the copy
> of
> that code that lives in a
On Wed, 2012-05-09 at 04:51 -0400, Kamil Paral wrote:
> Cosimo, can you please also make sure that the Close button gets
> keyboard focus automatically after I click on "Try Fedora"?
I now fixed this here [1], but it will need to be applied to the copy of
that code that lives in anaconda now.
[1
On May 9, 2012, at 2:53 AM, Kamil Paral wrote:
> That is just perfect, it's the welcome screen. It should receive complete
> attention. In Ubuntu there are even no panels/widgets shown until you make
> the selection.
Well I find it intrusive rather than welcoming, but this is not a hill I'm
g
> The one complaint I
> still have is that the window is really huge. I mean, it's taking
> up, what, 80% of the desktop real estate?
That is just perfect, it's the welcome screen. It should receive complete
attention. In Ubuntu there are even no panels/widgets shown until you make the
selection
> On Fri, 2012-05-04 at 10:31 -0400, Kamil Paral wrote:
>
> > Cosimo, can you please make sure the whole window can be closed
> > easily
> > just by pressing the Escape key? That will help really help those
> > of
> > us who run LiveCDs many times per day, and it will not hurt other
> > people in
On May 8, 2012, at 10:43 AM, Przemek Klosowski wrote:
> It seems to me that the main objection against a prominent 'install to disk'
> button is that it is not part of a normal desktop workflow---if someone would
> just routinely use a Live CD, it seems rude to show them an irrelevant
> 'insta
On 04/27/2012 09:58 AM, Jared K. Smith wrote:
What can we do in the *near* term to make it easier for people to find
the "Install to Hard Drive" option from the LiveCD?
It seems to me that the main objection against a prominent 'install to
disk' button is that it is not part of a normal deskt
On Fri, 2012-05-04 at 17:06 +0100, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Fri, 2012-05-04 at 10:51 -0400, Kamil Paral wrote:
>
> > Good call. I thought people could choose language in the isolinux menu
> > before boot. They can't. So maybe we don't need any translations at all.
> >
> > It's weird though. D
On Fri, 2012-05-04 at 10:51 -0400, Kamil Paral wrote:
> Good call. I thought people could choose language in the isolinux menu before
> boot. They can't. So maybe we don't need any translations at all.
>
> It's weird though. Do we really have no localized livecds at all?
We don't ship any as of
Kamil Paral (kpa...@redhat.com) said:
> Good call. I thought people could choose language in the isolinux menu before
> boot. They can't. So maybe we don't need any translations at all.
>
> It's weird though. Do we really have no localized livecds at all?
They're in the l10n subdir of spin-kick
On Fri, 2012-05-04 at 10:31 -0400, Kamil Paral wrote:
> Cosimo, can you please make sure the whole window can be closed easily
> just by pressing the Escape key? That will help really help those of
> us who run LiveCDs many times per day, and it will not hurt other
> people in any way.
Okay, I ad
> > Is there enough time to set up project in
> > transifex (or whatever is Fedora using) and have this translated
> > before F17 release?
>
> Perhaps we can. Not sure if there's enough time for that.
>
> What's the use case for translations? I'll note that there's no way
> to
> select the langua
> Hi all,
>
> Yesterday night I noticed an IRC conversation on #fedora-desktop
> about this, and suggested that an actual window would be a lot
> better than a notification.
> Kalev, Matthias and the people there agreed with me, so I went
> ahead and wrote some code that does just that [1].
> Scr
Hey again,
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 9:19 AM, Cosimo Cecchi wrote:
>> // provided by the 'anaconda' package
>> anacondaApp = Gio.DesktopAppInfo.new('anaconda.desktop');
>> if (!anacondaApp)
>> anacondaApp = Gio.DesktopAppInfo.new('liveinst.desktop');
>>
>> I think you only want liveinst.desktop
Hey,
On Thu, 2012-05-03 at 18:15 -0400, Ray Strode wrote:
> Looking I see this:
>
> // provided by the 'anaconda' package
> anacondaApp = Gio.DesktopAppInfo.new('anaconda.desktop');
> if (!anacondaApp)
> anacondaApp = Gio.DesktopAppInfo.new('liveinst.desktop');
>
> I think you only want liv
Perhaps he was just not aware of these objections. Although I could not
speak for him but it's at least a possible explanation for the proposal.
Johannes
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 9:18 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Fri, 2012-05-04 at 12:50 +0700, Michel Alexandre Salim wrote:
> > On 04/27/2012 0
On Fri, 2012-05-04 at 12:50 +0700, Michel Alexandre Salim wrote:
> On 04/27/2012 08:58 PM, Jared K. Smith wrote:
> > On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 9:50 AM, Colin Walters wrote:
> >> The whole thing is clearly a mess that needs some high level
> >> streamlining, from the entire process of download from w
Dne 3.5.2012 22:22, Cosimo Cecchi napsal(a):
Hi all,
Yesterday night I noticed an IRC conversation on #fedora-desktop
about this, and suggested that an actual window would be a lot
better than a notification.
Kalev, Matthias and the people there agreed with me, so I went
ahead and wrote some cod
On 04/27/2012 08:58 PM, Jared K. Smith wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 9:50 AM, Colin Walters wrote:
>> The whole thing is clearly a mess that needs some high level
>> streamlining, from the entire process of download from web page (or
>> receive CD from friend) to the on-disk install first boot.
Hi,
On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 4:22 PM, Cosimo Cecchi wrote:
> What do you think?
>
> [1] https://github.com/cosimoc/fedora-welcome
Looking I see this:
// provided by the 'anaconda' package
anacondaApp = Gio.DesktopAppInfo.new('anaconda.desktop');
if (!anacondaApp)
anacondaApp = Gio.DesktopAppI
On Thu, 2012-05-03 at 22:47 +0200, Tomasz Torcz wrote:
> One additional touch of polish: is it possible to detect if we are running
> from live CD or live USB and present left icon accordingly?
Had the same idea while writing the code yesterday, but ran out of steam
before thinking of a smart w
On Thu, May 03, 2012 at 04:44:42PM -0400, Chris Lumens wrote:
> > Yesterday night I noticed an IRC conversation on #fedora-desktop
> > about this, and suggested that an actual window would be a lot
> > better than a notification.
> > Kalev, Matthias and the people there agreed with me, so I went
>
> Yesterday night I noticed an IRC conversation on #fedora-desktop
> about this, and suggested that an actual window would be a lot
> better than a notification.
> Kalev, Matthias and the people there agreed with me, so I went
> ahead and wrote some code that does just that [1].
> Screenshots can
On 05/03/2012 11:05 PM, Kamil Paral wrote:
> How are the translations going to be handled, Kalev? How do you get
> it into spin-kickstarts?
Ideally, I think the welcome screen code should be in anaconda repo and
would be translated in there. But I haven't yet talked to the anaconda
people about th
On 05/03/2012 05:22 PM, Cosimo Cecchi wrote:
Hi all,
Yesterday night I noticed an IRC conversation on #fedora-desktop
about this, and suggested that an actual window would be a lot
better than a notification.
Kalev, Matthias and the people there agreed with me, so I went
ahead and wrote some cod
On 05/03/2012 11:22 PM, Cosimo Cecchi wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Yesterday night I noticed an IRC conversation on #fedora-desktop
> about this, and suggested that an actual window would be a lot
> better than a notification.
> Kalev, Matthias and the people there agreed with me, so I went
> ahead and wr
Hi all,
Yesterday night I noticed an IRC conversation on #fedora-desktop
about this, and suggested that an actual window would be a lot
better than a notification.
Kalev, Matthias and the people there agreed with me, so I went
ahead and wrote some code that does just that [1].
Screenshots can be
> I'd also suggest merely indefinite article "a" instead of "any".
> Simper for translation.
How are the translations going to be handled, Kalev? How do you get it into
spin-kickstarts? Is there enough time to set up project in transifex (or
whatever is Fedora using) and have this translated be
On May 2, 2012, at 2:03 PM, Tom Callaway wrote:
> On 05/02/2012 03:59 PM, Pádraig Brady wrote:
>> "If you are ready" is a bit redundant. How about.
>>
>> You are currently running Fedora from live media.
>> You can install Fedora now, or choose "Install to Hard
>> Drive" in the Activities overvi
On 05/02/2012 03:59 PM, Pádraig Brady wrote:
> "If you are ready" is a bit redundant. How about.
>
> You are currently running Fedora from live media.
> You can install Fedora now, or choose "Install to Hard
> Drive" in the Activities overview at any later time.
I agree, this is the simplest and
On 05/02/2012 08:47 PM, Kalev Lember wrote:
> On 05/01/2012 07:25 PM, Jared K. Smith wrote:
>> I've got to be honest here -- I don't like the wording of the
>> notification. /.../
>
> Pádraig, Jared, Chris:
>
> Thanks for the suggestions
>
> How about this as the main text:
> You are currently
On 05/01/2012 07:25 PM, Jared K. Smith wrote:
> I've got to be honest here -- I don't like the wording of the
> notification. /.../
Pádraig, Jared, Chris:
Thanks for the suggestions, I think these are definitely an improvement
over the original text. I'll reply with in line comments regarding
Chr
On May 1, 2012, at 10:25 AM, Jared K. Smith wrote:
> You are currently running Fedora from live media. To install Fedora
> to your hard drive, click the button below or the "Install to Hard
> Drive" option in the activities menu.
You are currently running Fedora from live media.
To install Fe
On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 7:55 AM, Kalev Lember wrote:
> I finished up the work on the notification and landed it in
> spin-kickstarts, so it should be available with the next media compose
> for both F17 and rawhide:
Cool, thanks.
> This is how it currently looks after booting up the Desktop Live
On 05/01/2012 02:55 PM, Kalev Lember wrote:
> On 04/28/2012 12:33 AM, Jared K. Smith wrote:
>> On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 3:02 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote:
>>> I don't know how proposing and implementing a notification method of doing
>>> the same isn't providing a solution, but you're welcome to your
On 04/28/2012 12:33 AM, Jared K. Smith wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 3:02 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote:
>> I don't know how proposing and implementing a notification method of doing
>> the same isn't providing a solution, but you're welcome to your own cross.
>
> Sorry Bill -- I'm confused here.
On Apr 27, 2012 11:34 PM, "Jared K. Smith" wrote:
> Sorry Bill -- I'm confused here. Was a notification method actually
> implemented? Was it enabled in F17.TC1? If so, I didn't see it. Or
> was it implemented only for rawhide?
It was implemented only in the sense that code was written and po
On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 3:02 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> I don't know how proposing and implementing a notification method of doing
> the same isn't providing a solution, but you're welcome to your own cross.
Sorry Bill -- I'm confused here. Was a notification method actually
implemented? Was
Kamil Paral (kpa...@redhat.com) said:
> I find it sad how desktop guys try to veto solutions they don't like,
> but they don't push on any other solutions.
I don't know how proposing and implementing a notification method of doing
the same isn't providing a solution, but you're welcome to your ow
On 04/27/2012 10:50 AM, Colin Walters wrote:
Hi Kamil,
On Fri, 2012-04-27 at 09:22 -0400, Kamil Paral wrote:
but they don't push on any other solutions.
A link from the http://fedoraproject.org/get-fedora page directly
to
http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/16/html/Installation_Quick_
On Fri, 2012-04-27 at 10:26 -0400, Kamil Paral wrote:
> > > but they don't push on any other solutions.
> >
> > A link from the http://fedoraproject.org/get-fedora page directly
> > to
> > http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/16/html/Installation_Quick_Start_Guide/Fedora_Live_Desktop.html
>
> > but they don't push on any other solutions.
>
> A link from the http://fedoraproject.org/get-fedora page directly
> to
> http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/16/html/Installation_Quick_Start_Guide/Fedora_Live_Desktop.html
>
> ?
I've spent 5 minutes looking for that direct link and I ha
On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 9:50 AM, Colin Walters wrote:
> The whole thing is clearly a mess that needs some high level
> streamlining, from the entire process of download from web page (or
> receive CD from friend) to the on-disk install first boot.
While I certainly wouldn't disagree with this sta
Hi Kamil,
On Fri, 2012-04-27 at 09:22 -0400, Kamil Paral wrote:
> but they don't push on any other solutions.
A link from the http://fedoraproject.org/get-fedora page directly
to
http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/16/html/Installation_Quick_Start_Guide/Fedora_Live_Desktop.html
?
To be h
> There seems to be at least some consensus that:
>
> * The notification, unless permanent, is not an ideal solution here
> because once it goes away, the user is in the same situation of
> confusion as to how to install the Live Image to disk.
>
> * The extension as proposed is not an ideal solu
On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 09:52:38 -0400,
Matthias Clasen wrote:
On Fri, 2012-04-20 at 11:55 +0200, Jiri Eischmann wrote:
Am I the only one who doesn't see any improvement in this solution?
I've said from the beginning that I think the best solution is to show a
regular window, either just a
Chris Murphy wrote:
> If not the button, I'd propose an enduring hack to restore sensible
> desktop icon functionality and my right to a cluttered desktop.
+1
On the KDE spin, we explicitly kept desktop icons enabled (in the form of
the Plasma folder view widget) exactly because of this usecase.
On Apr 20, 2012, at 8:35 AM, Vít Ondruch wrote:
> What about something on GDM level? There would be something like "live" user,
> which would run just the live image and "install" user which would run the
> anaconda immediately?
http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2012-April/165275
> On Fri, 2012-04-20 at 11:55 +0200, Jiri Eischmann wrote:
>
>> Am I the only one who doesn't see any improvement in this solution?
Negative.
On Apr 20, 2012, at 7:52 AM, Matthias Clasen wrote:
> I've said from the beginning that I think the best solution is to show a
> regular window, either
"Germán A. Racca" (german.ra...@gmail.com) said:
> On 04/20/2012 12:08 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> >Tom Callaway (tcall...@redhat.com) said:
> >>There seems to be at least some consensus that:
> >>
> >>* The notification, unless permanent, is not an ideal solution here
> >>because once it goes aw
On 04/20/2012 12:08 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote:
Tom Callaway (tcall...@redhat.com) said:
There seems to be at least some consensus that:
* The notification, unless permanent, is not an ideal solution here
because once it goes away, the user is in the same situation of
confusion as to how to inst
Tom Callaway (tcall...@redhat.com) said:
> There seems to be at least some consensus that:
>
> * The notification, unless permanent, is not an ideal solution here
> because once it goes away, the user is in the same situation of
> confusion as to how to install the Live Image to disk.
The notifi
Dne 20.4.2012 16:04, Tom Callaway napsal(a):
On 04/20/2012 09:52 AM, Matthias Clasen wrote:
On Fri, 2012-04-20 at 11:55 +0200, Jiri Eischmann wrote:
Am I the only one who doesn't see any improvement in this solution?
I've said from the beginning that I think the best solution is to show a
reg
On 04/20/2012 09:52 AM, Matthias Clasen wrote:
> On Fri, 2012-04-20 at 11:55 +0200, Jiri Eischmann wrote:
>
>> Am I the only one who doesn't see any improvement in this solution?
>
> I've said from the beginning that I think the best solution is to show a
> regular window, either just autostartin
On Fri, 2012-04-20 at 11:55 +0200, Jiri Eischmann wrote:
> Am I the only one who doesn't see any improvement in this solution?
I've said from the beginning that I think the best solution is to show a
regular window, either just autostarting the installer or offering a
'install or just try uninsta
On 04/20/2012 07:27 AM, Florian Müllner wrote:
On Apr 20, 2012 11:55 AM, "Jiri Eischmann" mailto:eischm...@redhat.com>> wrote:
> The notification is nice, but the only job it does is that it says the
> live system is installable. It really doesn't help the user find out how
> to install it.
Florian Müllner píše v Pá 20. 04. 2012 v 12:27 +0200:
>
> On Apr 20, 2012 11:55 AM, "Jiri Eischmann"
> wrote:
> > The notification is nice, but the only job it does is that it says
> the
> > live system is installable. It really doesn't help the user find out
> how
> > to install it.
>
> The no
On Apr 20, 2012 11:55 AM, "Jiri Eischmann" wrote:
> The notification is nice, but the only job it does is that it says the
> live system is installable. It really doesn't help the user find out how
> to install it.
The notification contains a button which is labeled "Install". I don't
think users
Kamil Paral píše v Pá 20. 04. 2012 v 03:49 -0400:
> > On Thu, 2012-04-19 at 16:24 -0600, Chris Murphy wrote:
> >
> > > That is obscure UI design, and therefore doesn't resolve the
> > > current
> > > UI obscurity. So I see very little efficacy in the idea.
> >
> > To contribute something positive
Hey,
On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 9:49 AM, Kamil Paral wrote:
> I tried that out. For some reason the notification doesn't pop up after I
> run the program, is that intended?
No, it should be shown in "banner mode" like in
http://imgur.com/Gk1Az(that's a screenshot of running the unmodified
progra
"resistance is futile"
On Apr 20, 2012 8:49 AM, "Kamil Paral" wrote:
> > On Thu, 2012-04-19 at 16:24 -0600, Chris Murphy wrote:
> >
> > > That is obscure UI design, and therefore doesn't resolve the
> > > current
> > > UI obscurity. So I see very little efficacy in the idea.
> >
> > To contribute
> On Thu, 2012-04-19 at 16:24 -0600, Chris Murphy wrote:
>
> > That is obscure UI design, and therefore doesn't resolve the
> > current
> > UI obscurity. So I see very little efficacy in the idea.
>
> To contribute something positive here, I went ahead and implemented
> the
> 'oscurity'. See atta
On Thu, 2012-04-19 at 16:24 -0600, Chris Murphy wrote:
> That is obscure UI design, and therefore doesn't resolve the current
> UI obscurity. So I see very little efficacy in the idea.
To contribute something positive here, I went ahead and implemented the
'oscurity'. See attached. As an extra w
On Apr 19, 2012, at 4:16 PM, Florian Müllner wrote:
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 12:00 AM, Chris Murphy
> wrote:
> In effect it may necessitate a reboot to get that notification back, in order
> to know how to install?
>
> Not if the notification is resident, in which case it will remain in
On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 12:00 AM, Chris Murphy wrote:
> In effect it may necessitate a reboot to get that notification back, in
> order to know how to install?
>
Not if the notification is resident, in which case it will remain in the
message tray even after it has been acknowledged by the user.
On Apr 19, 2012, at 3:24 PM, Camilo Mesias wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 4:16 AM, Matthias Clasen wrote:
>> No, it is not. I've said so the first time, and I have not changed my
>> opinion. Make it a notification.
>
> All this discussion is obscuring the original problem. Although a
> notifi
On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 4:16 AM, Matthias Clasen wrote:
> No, it is not. I've said so the first time, and I have not changed my
> opinion. Make it a notification.
All this discussion is obscuring the original problem. Although a
notification is easy, if it is dismissed, it fails as a method to
st
On 04/19/2012 06:09 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
On Apr 19, 2012, at 2:53 PM, Germán A. Racca wrote:
What do you thing about moving the icon to the left?
It doesn't improve the UI, or discoverability, in my opinion. But it does
potentially conflict with the active application. The existing loca
On Apr 19, 2012, at 2:53 PM, Germán A. Racca wrote:
> What do you thing about moving the icon to the left?
It doesn't improve the UI, or discoverability, in my opinion. But it does
potentially conflict with the active application. The existing location seems
reasonable.
I think the name is a
> > I did some minor tweaks, posted the code here:
> >
> > https://github.com/kparal/InstallFedoraButton
> >
> > and prepared a patch for fedora-live-desktop.ks.
> >
> > I want to post the patch to anaconda-devel this week.
>
> What do you thing about moving the icon to the left?
This has already
On 04/18/2012 06:20 AM, Kamil Paral wrote:
One angle on this that didn't get pointed out, I guess because
anaconda
team apparently isn't reading, is that at least one person on the
anaconda team - I forget who - hates liveinst with a passion and has
been proposing forever to kill it and replace i
> > However in the meantime for F17, is the installer Easter egg hunt
> > still on? It's way too obscure presently.
>
> I did some minor tweaks, posted the code here:
>
> https://github.com/kparal/InstallFedoraButton
>
> and prepared a patch for fedora-live-desktop.ks.
>
> I want to post the pa
On Tue, 2012-04-17 at 13:55 -0500, Chris Adams wrote:
> Once upon a time, Adam Williamson said:
> > One angle on this that didn't get pointed out, I guess because anaconda
> > team apparently isn't reading, is that at least one person on the
> > anaconda team - I forget who - hates liveinst with a
On Wed, 2012-04-18 at 05:20 -0400, Kamil Paral wrote:
> > One angle on this that didn't get pointed out, I guess because
> > anaconda
> > team apparently isn't reading, is that at least one person on the
> > anaconda team - I forget who - hates liveinst with a passion and has
> > been proposing for
> One angle on this that didn't get pointed out, I guess because
> anaconda
> team apparently isn't reading, is that at least one person on the
> anaconda team - I forget who - hates liveinst with a passion and has
> been proposing forever to kill it and replace it with a choice on the
> live image
Dne 17.4.2012 20:51, Adam Williamson napsal(a):
On Wed, 2012-04-04 at 10:04 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote:
On Tue, 2012-04-03 at 09:55 -0800, Jef Spaleta wrote:
On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Nathanael D. Noblet wrote:
How bout adding/changing the icon for installing? Can we not include some
On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 10:00 PM, Chris Adams wrote:
> Once upon a time, drago01 said:
>> Well it is not like you download it daily so ...
>
> That would be an incredibly poor justification to cram two otherwise
> unrelated things (live and install)
Obviously they aren't that unrelated otherwise
Once upon a time, drago01 said:
> Well it is not like you download it daily so ...
That would be an incredibly poor justification to cram two otherwise
unrelated things (live and install) into one image (if that is indeed
the idea of the anaconda group - I haven't seen any clarification yet).
--
On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 9:26 PM, Chris Adams wrote:
> Once upon a time, drago01 said:
>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 8:55 PM, Chris Adams wrote:
>> > I'm guessing that such a "anaconda in a locked-down environment" would
>> > have to be installing packages from the network, since there certainly
>>
On Apr 17, 2012, at 12:53 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> replace it with a choice on the
> live image boot menu between 'boot a live desktop' and 'install'
I like this idea. Although perhaps slightly challenging to get concisely worded
choices that also don't cause confusion. It's possible "Star
Once upon a time, drago01 said:
> On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 8:55 PM, Chris Adams wrote:
> > I'm guessing that such a "anaconda in a locked-down environment" would
> > have to be installing packages from the network, since there certainly
> > isn't space on the disc for both a live image and the nec
Brian C. Lane (b...@redhat.com) said:
> Not for F17. Maybe for F18 if I can figure out a way to do it that
> wouldn't confuse the heck out of everyone already using live to do their
> install.s
>
> The reason why I dislike liveinst is that by launching it from a running
> system the environment s
On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 07:51:05PM +0100, Adam Williamson wrote:
> One angle on this that didn't get pointed out, I guess because anaconda
> team apparently isn't reading, is that at least one person on the
> anaconda team - I forget who - hates liveinst with a passion and has
> been proposing fore
On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 8:55 PM, Chris Adams wrote:
> Once upon a time, Adam Williamson said:
>> One angle on this that didn't get pointed out, I guess because anaconda
>> team apparently isn't reading, is that at least one person on the
>> anaconda team - I forget who - hates liveinst with a pas
Once upon a time, Adam Williamson said:
> One angle on this that didn't get pointed out, I guess because anaconda
> team apparently isn't reading, is that at least one person on the
> anaconda team - I forget who - hates liveinst with a passion and has
> been proposing forever to kill it and repla
On Wed, 2012-04-04 at 10:04 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote:
> On Tue, 2012-04-03 at 09:55 -0800, Jef Spaleta wrote:
> > On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Nathanael D. Noblet
> > wrote:
> > > How bout adding/changing the icon for installing? Can we not include some
> > > text in the icon? "Install Fed
On Wed, 2012-04-04 at 10:04 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote:
> On Tue, 2012-04-03 at 09:55 -0800, Jef Spaleta wrote:
> > On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Nathanael D. Noblet
> > wrote:
> > > How bout adding/changing the icon for installing? Can we not include some
> > > text in the icon? "Install Fed
On 04/03/2012 02:26 PM, Kamil Paral wrote:
> I was quite depressed how hard it can be for a layman to find a way to
> install Fedora from LiveCD environment.
On a more general note it would be nice to stream-line the experience from web
to installation.
Most of the hard parts are done, just a fe
On Apr 9, 2012, at 6:36 AM, Matthias Clasen wrote:
> I don't see how that would be hindered by autostarting the installer.
I definitely dislike the idea of installer autostart. I imagine my typical live
commentary with such a LiveCD as, "WTF?! I didn't ask for the g.d. installer to
f'n launch
On Wed, 2012-04-04 at 00:17 +, Ben Boeckel wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 03, 2012 at 17:54:46 GMT, Chris Adams wrote:
> > Once upon a time, Matthias Clasen said:
> >> That really depends on what use cases we see for our live cds. In my
> >> view, there's really only two:
> >>
> >> The primary use for
* on the Tue, Apr 03, 2012 at 12:54:46PM -0500, Chris Adams was commenting:
| Once upon a time, Matthias Clasen said:
| > That really depends on what use cases we see for our live cds. In my
| > view, there's really only two:
| >
| > The primary use for a live cd is to install.
|
| That's the pr
On Fri, Apr 06, 2012 at 12:21:32 -0600,
Chris Murphy wrote:
On Apr 6, 2012, at 9:30 AM, Kamil Paral wrote:
I think the best approach here is to contact anaconda team and ask them to
adopt the code. Ideally this would be a part of anaconda.
I understand anaconda is the installer. But does
On Apr 6, 2012, at 9:30 AM, Kamil Paral wrote:
>
> I think the best approach here is to contact anaconda team and ask them to
> adopt the code. Ideally this would be a part of anaconda.
I understand anaconda is the installer. But doesn't the livecd-tools /
livecd-creator group determine the to
The discussion died off, so I'll sum it up:
* Almost everyone agreed that current situation is highly unsatisfactory.
* We have several ideas how to remedy it, which include: top bar button,
notification and welcome screen.
* We have just a single implementation, which is the top bar button.
S
On Tue, 2012-04-03 at 09:55 -0800, Jef Spaleta wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Nathanael D. Noblet wrote:
> > How bout adding/changing the icon for installing? Can we not include some
> > text in the icon? "Install Fedora" somehow??
>
> Actually... would it make sense to force a notifica
Matthias Clasen wrote:
> So, we decided for F16 that we don't want to add extensions like that to
> the shell that we ship on the live cd. It should be the default
> experience.
I think that's a very bad (and dogmatic) decision. We should ship what's
best for our users (of Fedora), not what's 100
Chris Murphy wrote:
> The problem is nothing shows up on Gnome 3's desktop, even items in the
> Desktop folder (which is just...it's asinine there's no polite way to say
> it.)
I agree with that. KDE upstream recently also dropped the default folder
view from their default Plasma setup, we (KDE S
On Apr 4, 2012, at 1:35 AM, Kamil Paral wrote:
>
> Doesn't it block any other notifications being displayed? Or won't subsequent
> notifications hide it?
>
> If we can keep it displayed until manually dismissed and it won't block any
> other notifications to pop up, then it seems like a good
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