Am 26.07.2013 15:32, schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson:
> On 07/26/2013 01:07 PM, Michael Scherer wrote:
>>
>> Working in IT @Red Hat, I concur, and I am pretty sure that no one has
>> all the information to make that estimation. Network, hosting and
>> storage are all under different budgets for dif
On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 01:32:22PM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> Fedora the project which means two entirely separated
> infrastructures. yeah sure these two might be communicating heavily
> between themselves unless ofcourse you want to risk issues from
> either the company or the projec
Le vendredi 26 juillet 2013 à 13:32 +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" a
écrit :
> On 07/26/2013 01:07 PM, Michael Scherer wrote:
> >
> > Working in IT @Red Hat, I concur, and I am pretty sure that no one has
> > all the information to make that estimation. Network, hosting and
> > storage are all unde
On 07/26/2013 01:07 PM, Michael Scherer wrote:
Working in IT @Red Hat, I concur, and I am pretty sure that no one has
all the information to make that estimation. Network, hosting and
storage are all under different budgets for different team, and all
aggregated ( cause the DC where RH host Fedo
Le mercredi 24 juillet 2013 à 15:11 -0700, Adam Williamson a écrit :
> On Wed, 2013-07-24 at 16:50 +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> > On 07/24/2013 04:40 PM, inode0 wrote:
> > > On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 11:07 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson"
> > > wrote:
> > > The entire budget is not public so y
On Thu, 2013-07-25 at 10:07 +0200, Brendan Jones wrote:
> On 07/25/2013 12:11 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > On Wed, 2013-07-24 at 16:50 +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> >> On 07/24/2013 04:40 PM, inode0 wrote:
> >>> On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 11:07 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson"
> >>> wrote:
> >
On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 7:04 AM, drago01 wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 10:07 AM, Brendan Jones
> wrote:
>> On 07/25/2013 12:11 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
>>>
>>> On Wed, 2013-07-24 at 16:50 +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
On 07/24/2013 04:40 PM, inode0 wrote:
>
> On Wed
On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 10:07 AM, Brendan Jones
wrote:
> On 07/25/2013 12:11 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, 2013-07-24 at 16:50 +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
>>>
>>> On 07/24/2013 04:40 PM, inode0 wrote:
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 11:07 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson"
wr
On 07/25/2013 12:11 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Wed, 2013-07-24 at 16:50 +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
On 07/24/2013 04:40 PM, inode0 wrote:
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 11:07 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson"
wrote:
The entire budget is not public so you won't get a definitive answer
for a lar
On Wed, 2013-07-24 at 16:50 +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> On 07/24/2013 04:40 PM, inode0 wrote:
> > On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 11:07 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson"
> > wrote:
> > The entire budget is not public so you won't get a definitive answer
> > for a large portion of the budget.
>
> Wh
Le mercredi 24 juillet 2013 à 08:42 +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" a
écrit :
> On 07/24/2013 07:33 AM, Brendan Jones wrote:
> > On 07/24/2013 03:50 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> >> Earlier this evening I was asked how I expected Fedora to function in
> >> any way similarly to how it does now
Le mercredi 24 juillet 2013 à 10:31 -0400, Darryl L. Pierce a écrit :
> On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 09:05:40AM -0500, inode0 wrote:
> > On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 7:49 AM, Darryl L. Pierce
> > wrote:
> > > On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 12:37:09PM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> > >> We would need to f
Le mardi 23 juillet 2013 à 21:03 -0500, Chris Adams a écrit :
> You apparently don't want anyone who is working on Open Source as part
> of any job (Red Hat or not) involved in the distribution you support
> (since you said you don't value system admins fixing things while on the
> clock the same
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 2:08 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson"
wrote:
> Agree that's one way of figuring out but ( share number of
> servers/cpu/storage ) honestly i would have thought the infrastructure team
> would already know this.
Well, luckily you never have to know everything before you start
h
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 10:08 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson"
wrote:
> On 07/24/2013 05:02 PM, Jef Spaleta wrote:
>>
>> So all you can do is gather the core metrics for utility use...
>> cpu/band/storage... and with those metrics in hand price what it would
>> take to build and run a koji builder in t
On 07/24/2013 05:02 PM, Jef Spaleta wrote:
So all you can do is gather the core metrics for utility use...
cpu/band/storage... and with those metrics in hand price what it would
take to build and run a koji builder in the public cloud as a starting
point and plan your initial crowdsourcing campai
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 07:35:42AM -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> Fedora is hemorrhaging users to other distributions (and to
> closed-source platforms).
Do we actually know that this is the case?
The statistics wiki page does show a drop of total repository
connections around Fedora 15 but sl
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 8:50 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson"
wrote:
> The infrastructure cost ( with the exception of any paid manpower ) is what
> sets the baseline for host/run and that cost is what would determine the
> infra/hosting tax % or at least gives a number for a minimum we would need
> to
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 11:50 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson"
wrote:
> On 07/24/2013 04:40 PM, inode0 wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 11:07 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson"
>> wrote:
>> The entire budget is not public so you won't get a definitive answer
>> for a large portion of the budget.
>
>
> Wh
On 07/24/2013 04:40 PM, inode0 wrote:
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 11:07 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson"
wrote:
The entire budget is not public so you won't get a definitive answer
for a large portion of the budget.
Why is it not public any reason why we the community cannot know how
much we cost?
T
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 11:07 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson"
wrote:
> On 07/24/2013 04:01 PM, Tomasz Torcz wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 03:55:41PM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
>>>
>>> On 07/24/2013 03:47 PM, inode0 wrote:
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 10:24 AM, Martin Langhoff
>>
On 07/24/2013 04:01 PM, Tomasz Torcz wrote:
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 03:55:41PM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
On 07/24/2013 03:47 PM, inode0 wrote:
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 10:24 AM, Martin Langhoff
wrote:
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 9:50 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson"
wrote:
I as a donor do
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 03:55:41PM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> On 07/24/2013 03:47 PM, inode0 wrote:
> >On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 10:24 AM, Martin Langhoff
> > wrote:
> >>On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 9:50 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson"
> >> wrote:
> >>>I as a donor donating $20 would like those t
On 07/24/2013 03:47 PM, inode0 wrote:
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 10:24 AM, Martin Langhoff
wrote:
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 9:50 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson"
wrote:
I as a donor donating $20 would like those to run to
$20? It's going to be a long road!
25,000 to 50,000 of those could get us start
On 07/24/2013 03:24 PM, Martin Langhoff wrote:
The best I can suggest is: build that funding source, and get it to
grow to an important size_without_ messing with RH as a sponsor. The
cost of running Fedora is likely to be huge. Fundraising is incredibly
hard, and generally fails.
None ever su
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 10:24 AM, Martin Langhoff
wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 9:50 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson"
> wrote:
>> I as a donor donating $20 would like those to run to
>
> $20? It's going to be a long road!
25,000 to 50,000 of those could get us started.
John
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On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 9:50 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson"
wrote:
> I gave the quick answer "through donations"
Reading through this thread, it seems to me that you are wanting to
change something you don't understand.
While I am not a RH employee, I have been deeply involved in FOSS,
including D
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 10:09 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson"
wrote:
> On 07/24/2013 02:13 PM, inode0 wrote:
>>
>> Fedora is not any sort of legally recognized entity as far as I know.
>> And the fact that the vast majority of contributions are time rather
>> than money is because in order to contribu
On 07/24/2013 02:13 PM, inode0 wrote:
Fedora is not any sort of legally recognized entity as far as I know.
And the fact that the vast majority of contributions are time rather
than money is because in order to contribute money requires one to
send a check made out to Red Hat and I don't think Re
On 07/24/2013 02:08 PM, Jiri Eischmann wrote:
But let me add a link to this discussion:
http://opensource.com/business/13/7/donations-open-source-projects
I think I've got some experience with how open source projects work and
there is a lot of truth in that article.
From an opensource perspect
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 9:31 AM, Darryl L. Pierce wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 09:05:40AM -0500, inode0 wrote:
>> On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 7:49 AM, Darryl L. Pierce wrote:
>> > On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 12:37:09PM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
>> >> We would need to form a financial sig
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 09:05:40AM -0500, inode0 wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 7:49 AM, Darryl L. Pierce wrote:
> > On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 12:37:09PM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> >> We would need to form a financial sig that handles that.
> >
> > Are these people going to be paid fo
On 07/24/2013 01:23 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
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On 07/24/2013 08:31 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
On 07/24/2013 11:35 AM, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
While I *am* pleased that you've given some real thought to this,
I think you may have missed t
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 8:23 AM, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> My understanding is that Fedora is registered as a non-profit
> organization in the United States which I believe allows for anyone to
> donate to it *today* if they so chose. The fact that the only
> donations we see are *time* rather th
"Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" píše v St 24. 07. 2013 v 10:01 +:
> On 07/24/2013 07:33 AM, Brendan Jones wrote:
>
> > On 07/24/2013 03:50 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> > > Earlier this evening I was asked how I expected Fedora to function
> > > in
> > > any way similarly to how it does now w
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 7:49 AM, Darryl L. Pierce wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 12:37:09PM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
>> On 07/24/2013 12:15 PM, Darryl L. Pierce wrote:
>> >On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 01:50:11AM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
>> >
>> >>Obvious we cannot have crowd
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 9:23 AM, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
>> Other for the fact that this would allow everyone to contribute to
>> the project not just Red Hat which in turn would make us less
>> depended on it ( or they spending money on us from their point of
>> view ).
>>
>
> My understanding i
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On 07/24/2013 08:31 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> On 07/24/2013 11:35 AM, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
>> While I *am* pleased that you've given some real thought to this,
>> I think you may have missed the real point I was trying to make
>> there,
On 07/24/2013 12:49 PM, Darryl L. Pierce wrote:
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 12:37:09PM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
On 07/24/2013 12:15 PM, Darryl L. Pierce wrote:
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 01:50:11AM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
Obvious we cannot have crowd funding for every movi
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 12:37:09PM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> On 07/24/2013 12:15 PM, Darryl L. Pierce wrote:
> >On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 01:50:11AM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> >
> >>Obvious we cannot have crowd funding for every moving part in Fedora
> >>that would just be
On 07/24/2013 12:15 PM, Darryl L. Pierce wrote:
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 01:50:11AM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
Obvious we cannot have crowd funding for every moving part in Fedora
that would just be ludicrous so we need to apply that concept upon
the entire project, as in Fedora would
On 07/24/2013 11:35 AM, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
While I*am* pleased that you've given some real thought to this, I
think you may have missed the real point I was trying to make there,
which also ties back to the original purpose of that thread.
Fedora is hemorrhaging users to other distributio
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 01:50:11AM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> Obvious we cannot have crowd funding for every moving part in Fedora
> that would just be ludicrous so we need to apply that concept upon
> the entire project, as in Fedora would be just a one crowd founded
> project.
The
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On 07/23/2013 09:50 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> Earlier this evening I was asked how I expected Fedora to function
> in any way similarly to how it does now without the backing of one
> or more organizations like Red Hat.
>
> I gave the quick
On 07/24/2013 07:33 AM, Brendan Jones wrote:
On 07/24/2013 03:50 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
Earlier this evening I was asked how I expected Fedora to function in
any way similarly to how it does now without the backing of one or more
organizations like Red Hat.
I gave the quick answer
On 07/24/2013 07:33 AM, Brendan Jones wrote:
On 07/24/2013 03:50 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
Earlier this evening I was asked how I expected Fedora to function in
any way similarly to how it does now without the backing of one or more
organizations like Red Hat.
I gave the quick answer
On 07/24/2013 03:50 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
Earlier this evening I was asked how I expected Fedora to function in
any way similarly to how it does now without the backing of one or more
organizations like Red Hat.
I gave the quick answer "through donations" since I was not in mood to
On 24/07/13 11:50, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> Thought's comment flames?
To me, crowd sourcing seems to work because it's about some exciting new
technology that people have to have and it's the only way to have it.
There's a buzz, an excitement that needs to light up twitter in order to
get
You apparently don't want anyone who is working on Open Source as part
of any job (Red Hat or not) involved in the distribution you support
(since you said you don't value system admins fixing things while on the
clock the same either).
Here's one of Fedora's Core Values:
Friends
We believe
Earlier this evening I was asked how I expected Fedora to function in
any way similarly to how it does now without the backing of one or more
organizations like Red Hat.
I gave the quick answer "through donations" since I was not in mood to
give the detailed answers ( and taint that thread ev
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