On 30 June 2017 at 09:24, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Thu, 2017-06-29 at 16:50 -0500, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote:
>> > > > > > "AW" == Adam Williamson writes:
>>
>> AW> Right, that's a good point. *Why* exactly do we want to go to all
>> AW> the trouble involved in making a switchover from 'pytho
Thank you for your comment, Charalampos!
Hi all,
I need a sponsor for the rpm packager. Could you please take a look
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Thanks again,
Tomofumi Hayashi
On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 5:47 PM, Charalampos Stratakis
wrote:
> Hel
> "AW" == Adam Williamson writes:
AW> That seems like, frankly, quite a weak justification for all the
AW> trouble that's involved in migrating the 'meaning' of python-foo
AW> like this (and, as Smooge pointed out, potentially doing it *again*
AW> for Python 4, if it ever happens).
Well, I'm
On Thu, 2017-06-29 at 16:50 -0500, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote:
> > > > > > "AW" == Adam Williamson writes:
>
> AW> Right, that's a good point. *Why* exactly do we want to go to all
> AW> the trouble involved in making a switchover from 'python-foo'
> AW> meaning 'the Python 2 module called foo' t
> "AW" == Adam Williamson writes:
AW> Right, that's a good point. *Why* exactly do we want to go to all
AW> the trouble involved in making a switchover from 'python-foo'
AW> meaning 'the Python 2 module called foo' to meaning 'the Python 3
AW> module called foo'?
It's about users. Once "pyt
Just a reminder, as the announcement was over a week ago, that tomorrow
is Fedora 26 Upgrade Test Day in #fedora-test-day on Freenode!
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2017-06-30_Upgrade_Test_Day
Please come out and help test if you can. Thanks!
--
Adam Williamson
Fedora QA Community Monk
On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 10:29:29PM +0200, Brian Exelbierd wrote:
> However, considering this from a different angle, a LAMP stack module,
> for example, might just need to make a certain API/ABI promise and then
> it could roll for quite a while. This would be without regard to the
> changes in th
On Thu, Jun 29, 2017, at 08:35 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 08:25:59PM +0200, Brian Exelbierd wrote:
> > Does this mean that a module built primarilly from a single application
> > does not have a 13 month fixed lifecycle? I hope this is true because,
> > in my mind, one o
On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 10:38:11AM -0500, Gwyn Ciesla wrote:
> I have a bunch of them still. Don't ask. I'll take floppy-support if no on
> else wants it.
Actually it is not orphaned but the current maintainer did not fix the
package to exclude aarch64 as there is no floppy support there causing
On Thu, 2017-06-29 at 11:13 -0400, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
> On 29 June 2017 at 10:44, Iryna Shcherbina wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Why would it stop building?
> > By explicitly defining the dependency to be py2 one in your Python 2
> > package, you will just make sure it will not start pulling
Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the
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On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 08:25:59PM +0200, Brian Exelbierd wrote:
> Does this mean that a module built primarilly from a single application
> does not have a 13 month fixed lifecycle? I hope this is true because,
> in my mind, one of the things a module is promising is that some form of
> API/ABI w
On Wed, Jun 28, 2017, at 10:07 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
> Okay, so, I decided to get my hands dirty with this to make sure my
> conceptual understanding stays in sync with the reality. And, it turns
> out we really do need a system-tools module. So, I'm going to make
> that. And in doing so, I ran
On 29/06/17 15:49, Owen Taylor wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 04:07:43PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
...
>>
>> * One or more streams corresponding to "end of life no earlier than",
>> in the format "YYMM". (Or "eolYYMM"? Or "eYYMM"? Or "uYYMM" for
>> 'until'? Or "fYYMM" for 'fedora' —
On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 07:20:15PM +0200, Petr Šabata wrote:
> > > > * Such modules MAY additionally have a "latest" stream, which
> > > > would be "rolling release" of the latest stable version (as
> > > > opposed to master, which corresponds to rawhide and may be
> > > > unstable).
> > > So
On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 11:07:10AM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 03:26:50PM +0200, Petr Šabata wrote:
> > > * Modules which correspond primarily to a single application or
> > > versioned software stack (e.g. Apache HTTP 2.4 or Node.js v8) MUST
> > > use a stream label
On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 10:49:20AM -0400, Owen Taylor wrote:
> To what extent do we want to encourage "collections of stuff" modules?
>
> Numerically, most modules will likely to be designed to be installed as
> containers or flatpaks because that's how we handle conflicting dependencies.
> If you
On Thu, 2017-06-29 at 11:08 +0200, Petr Viktorin wrote:
> Would it be reasonable to do this in phases: first ask everyone to add
> python2- provides, then ask everyone to use them? Yes, and in fact, we
> already did that: the python2- prefix has been recommended in the
> guidelines for a quite a
On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 11:19 AM, Matthew Miller
wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 03:26:50PM +0200, Petr Šabata wrote:
>> > I have an alternate idea too: "collection" type modules would
>> > use arbitrary integer versions starting with 1 and increase only if the
>> > content undergoes a major swit
First off, I really want to say that we should resist the idea that Red
Hat product decisions should hold back Fedora's progress. This
python-*/python2-*/python3-* mess has been with us for far too long, and
I applaud the Python SIG for putting in the effort to try and get this
regularized. Pytho
On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 03:26:50PM +0200, Petr Šabata wrote:
> > I have an alternate idea too: "collection" type modules would
> > use arbitrary integer versions starting with 1 and increase only if the
> > content undergoes a major switch. ALL module streams would contain EOL
> > information after
On 29 June 2017 at 10:44, Iryna Shcherbina wrote:
>
>
>
> Why would it stop building?
> By explicitly defining the dependency to be py2 one in your Python 2
> package, you will just make sure it will not start pulling Python 3
> dependencies in a few years when the switch happens.
>
>
Personally
On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 03:26:50PM +0200, Petr Šabata wrote:
> > * Modules which correspond primarily to a single application or
> > versioned software stack (e.g. Apache HTTP 2.4 or Node.js v8) MUST
> > use a stream label corresponding to the major version of that software
> > (e.g. 2.4 or 8
On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 3:12 AM, Peter Robinson wrote:
> Most packagers have enough problems with workload without piling on a
> bunch of extra unnecessary vanity bollocks that provides absolutely
> ZERO value.
Agreed, the value is unclear to me as well.
We already have something that is cleaner
On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 04:07:43PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
> So far, easy, I think. But what about modules like mine which are
> collections of stuff? We could give them an arbitrary version and
> increment that. Or, since this module will to follow the same 13-month
> lifecycle of a base Fed
On 06/29/2017 12:09 PM, Alexander Bokovoy wrote:
On to, 29 kesä 2017, Petr Viktorin wrote:
On 06/29/2017 11:12 AM, Peter Robinson wrote:
On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 2:39 AM, Adam Williamson
wrote:
On Wed, 2017-06-28 at 16:21 +0200, Iryna Shcherbina wrote:
2) Using `python-` instead of `python2
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On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 04:07:43PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
> Okay, so, I decided to get my hands dirty with this to make sure my
> conceptual understanding stays in sync with the reality. And, it turns
> out we really do need a system-tools module. So, I'm going to make
> that. And in doing so
On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 06:42:37PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> Well, yes, but *in context*, the text was specifying the extent of the
> package set it covered. It seems, to me, at least as likely that the
> intent of the text was "the Change will cover all the packages in the
> Server install t
- Original Message -
> That might be the reason why I had to blacklist the snd-hdmi-lpe-audio module
> on my system. Pulseaudio crashed trying to access the HDMI audio device.
This wasn't related. Hans pointed me to a work-around for which I found the
upstream bug:
https://bugs.freedeskt
On to, 29 kesä 2017, Petr Viktorin wrote:
On 06/29/2017 11:12 AM, Peter Robinson wrote:
On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 2:39 AM, Adam Williamson
wrote:
On Wed, 2017-06-28 at 16:21 +0200, Iryna Shcherbina wrote:
2) Using `python-` instead of `python2-` in the dependencies for the
Python 2 binary RPM [
On 06/29/2017 11:12 AM, Peter Robinson wrote:
On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 2:39 AM, Adam Williamson
wrote:
On Wed, 2017-06-28 at 16:21 +0200, Iryna Shcherbina wrote:
2) Using `python-` instead of `python2-` in the dependencies for the
Python 2 binary RPM [2].
I'm not sure this list is terribly us
No missing expected images.
Failed openQA tests: 6/128 (x86_64), 1/2 (arm)
New failures (same test did not fail in 26-20170627.n.0):
ID: 114378 Test: x86_64 KDE-live-iso install_default_upload
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/114378
ID: 114389 Test: x86_64 KDE-live-iso deskt
On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 2:39 AM, Adam Williamson
wrote:
> On Wed, 2017-06-28 at 16:21 +0200, Iryna Shcherbina wrote:
>> 2) Using `python-` instead of `python2-` in the dependencies for the
>> Python 2 binary RPM [2].
>
> I'm not sure this list is terribly useful, because of the above. There
> are
On 06/29/2017 04:20 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Thu, 2017-06-29 at 12:11 +1000, Nick Coghlan wrote:
On 29 June 2017 at 11:39, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Wed, 2017-06-28 at 16:21 +0200, Iryna Shcherbina wrote:
2) Using `python-` instead of `python2-` in the dependencies for the
Python 2 binar
On 29/06/17 09:55, Zuzana Svetlikova wrote:
as announced, yesterday I built nodejs-8.1.2 in rawhide.
Please, check that your packages work, especially native modules,
as there seem to be a few incompatibilities.
I rebuilt all (hopefully) of the native modules last night after you did
the bui
Hi,
as announced, yesterday I built nodejs-8.1.2 in rawhide.
Please, check that your packages work, especially native modules,
as there seem to be a few incompatibilities.
We also got new npm@5, which is said to be a little buggy.
Regards
Zuzka
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Hello Tomofumi and welcome to Fedora!
Charalampos Stratakis
Associate Software Engineer
Python Maintenance Team, Red Hat
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To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2017 8:19:09 AM
Subject: Self Intro: Tomofumi Hayashi
Hi,
T
On 06/28/2017 03:16 PM, Peter Robinson wrote:
> I believe all common current generation GPUs need firmware, some of
> the intel platforms have needed firmware for audio for some time.
And the border between firmware and application code is increasingly
blurred. The support blob for Intel Precisio
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