Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Fedora Upgrade - using yum

2013-02-04 Thread Miroslav Suchý
On 02/04/2013 10:29 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: https://ohjeezlinux.wordpress.com/2012/11/13/fedup-a-little-background/ ... kinda. That's the best that I know of. It lacks in details how I can put hook in upgrade.pre and upgrade.post. What is the best practise here? It would be nice if you

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-04 Thread Michael Scherer
Le lundi 04 février 2013 à 20:35 -0500, Jon VanAlten a écrit : > I don't have a horse in the default desktop race, being one of > those weirdo tiling window manager users, which is possibly the > exact reason why the idea of not having a default appeals to me. > Maybe, if your objection is that th

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-04 Thread Michael Scherer
Le mardi 05 février 2013 à 06:43 +0100, Ralf Corsepius a écrit : > I think you are putting too much emphasize on "first-timers" and seem to > be forgetting the "Linux distro switcher-users". For them, easily > finding the DE they know from their so-far used distro and easily > switching between

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-04 Thread drago01
On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 7:55 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > On 02/05/2013 07:42 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: >> >> On Tue, 2013-02-05 at 07:19 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote: >>> >>> On 02/05/2013 05:51 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Tue, 2013-02-05 at 02:59 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: >>> >>>

Re: Strange yum update hang (or something else) in Rawhide .. how to debug this further?

2013-02-04 Thread Panu Matilainen
On 02/05/2013 12:32 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Mon, Feb 04, 2013 at 07:17:35PM +0200, Panu Matilainen wrote: On 02/04/2013 07:01 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Mon, Feb 04, 2013 at 04:38:08PM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: Cleanup: cpp-4.8.0-0.7.fc19.x86_64

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Apache OpenOffice

2013-02-04 Thread Andrea Pescetti
Martin Sourada wrote: That's mostly how I understand the proposal. The goal for F19 is to get it in and solve (potential) conflicts. It should probably either drop the mentions of 4.0 or clearly state that 4.0 is going Actually, the feedback I got at FOSDEM was to focus on packaging trunk for

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-04 Thread Jef Spaleta
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 9:55 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > I disagree. Fedora's lack of popularity is largely thanks to these issues. > > In this context, I feel the Cinnamon request rsp. the "give users a choice > on DEs" attempts are part of an attempt to escape the at least one of the > dead-end r

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-04 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 02/05/2013 07:42 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Tue, 2013-02-05 at 07:19 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 02/05/2013 05:51 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Tue, 2013-02-05 at 02:59 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: , but since you started it: OpenSUSE is doing just fine doing exactly what I suggest (

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-04 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2013-02-05 at 07:19 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > On 02/05/2013 05:51 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: > > On Tue, 2013-02-05 at 02:59 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > >> , but since you started it: OpenSUSE is doing just fine > >> doing exactly what I suggest (making people actually pick their d

[perl-Mail-Procmail] initial post review

2013-02-04 Thread Steven Roberts
commit ca80ece024039f4d3db41e2749d4e2cca45575d8 Author: Steven Roberts Date: Mon Feb 4 22:42:24 2013 -0800 initial post review perl-Mail-Procmail.spec | 65 +++ sources |1 + 2 files changed, 66 insertions(+), 0 deletions(-

Re: how reload udev rules and systemd on F18

2013-02-04 Thread Sérgio Basto
On Ter, 2013-01-29 at 17:59 +, Sérgio Basto wrote: > On Ter, 2013-01-29 at 01:52 +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote: > > Yes, even then. udev will notice rules dropped there. > > OK I will test that I just test it and doesn't assign USB devices. But seeing what udev.service , udev-trigger.ser

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-04 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 02/05/2013 05:51 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Tue, 2013-02-05 at 02:59 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: , but since you started it: OpenSUSE is doing just fine doing exactly what I suggest (making people actually pick their download). Their download button actually points to a selector, not dire

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-04 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 02/05/2013 05:37 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Mon, 2013-02-04 at 20:35 -0500, Jon VanAlten wrote: tl'dr: Please leave the straw man "new users won't be able to decide" argument at the door, there's a way around it if we can think about the *best* way to do it, rather than the *worst*. It'

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-04 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 11:37 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Mon, 2013-02-04 at 20:35 -0500, Jon VanAlten wrote: > >> tl'dr: Please leave the straw man "new users won't be able to >> decide" argument at the door, there's a way around it if we can >> think about the *best* way to do it, rather than

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-04 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 02/05/2013 04:36 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Mon, 2013-02-04 at 21:49 -0500, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: Honestly, what kind of benefit to the community do you expect from a user who gets confused just by looking at a couple nice screenshots and reading some brief explanation? Have you ever met s

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-04 Thread Eric Bergen
I decided to check out Fedora again after a few years of using Kubuntu after reading about the MySQL/MariaDB discussion. As a long time KDE and Mac OS user I hope my first experience with gnome-shell will help your discussion. After getting Fedora installed and getting to the basic desktop I hones

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-04 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2013-02-05 at 02:59 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Adam Williamson wrote: > > ...and forcing a choice - possibly between several things they are not > > familiar with either in detail or in nature - is equally wrong for many > > people. Probably *more* people. Lots of people don't really care

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-04 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2013-02-04 at 20:35 -0500, Jon VanAlten wrote: > tl'dr: Please leave the straw man "new users won't be able to > decide" argument at the door, there's a way around it if we can > think about the *best* way to do it, rather than the *worst*. It's not really a straw man, though. Just about

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-04 Thread Mathieu Bridon
On Mon, 2013-02-04 at 19:36 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Mon, 2013-02-04 at 21:49 -0500, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: > > > Honestly, what kind of benefit to the community do you expect from a > > user who gets confused just by looking at a couple nice screenshots > > and reading some brief explanat

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-04 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2013-02-04 at 21:49 -0500, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: > Honestly, what kind of benefit to the community do you expect from a > user who gets confused just by looking at a couple nice screenshots > and reading some brief explanation? Have you ever met such a person > (incapable of understanding t

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-04 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 8:32 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Mon, 2013-02-04 at 20:14 -0500, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: >> On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 6:53 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: >> > >> > You're a new Linux user, you go to our download page, and instead of a >> > simple big green Download button, it star

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Apache OpenOffice

2013-02-04 Thread Kevin Kofler
Martin Sourada wrote: > On Mon, 4 Feb 2013 14:31:11 + > James Hogarth wrote: >> Might I suggest focusing on packaging 3.4.1 for rawhide and dealing >> with the issues surrounding conflicts and if that gies well consider >> the 4.0 release (or whatever lines up then) for F20? > That's mostly ho

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-04 Thread Kevin Kofler
Adam Williamson wrote: > ...and forcing a choice - possibly between several things they are not > familiar with either in detail or in nature - is equally wrong for many > people. Probably *more* people. Lots of people don't really care what > desktop they get, and lots of people don't know what a

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Replace MySQL with MariaDB

2013-02-04 Thread Kevin Kofler
Rahul Sundaram wrote: > You are putting the cart before the horse. You have to demonstrate its > feasible to fix them before excluding future uses. I don't see how it is > possible to fix the entire distribution to never use conflicts. Aggressive renaming (see e.g. what I did to kdelibs to allo

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-04 Thread Jon VanAlten
- Original Message - > From: "Adam Williamson" > To: "Development discussions related to Fedora" > > Sent: Monday, February 4, 2013 6:53:20 PM > Subject: Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop > > On Mon, 2013-02-04 at 06:56 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > Adam Williamso

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-04 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2013-02-04 at 20:14 -0500, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: > On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 6:53 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > > You're a new Linux user, you go to our download page, and instead of a > > simple big green Download button, it starts asking you questions about > > what 'desktop environment' y

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-04 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 6:53 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > > You're a new Linux user, you go to our download page, and instead of a > simple big green Download button, it starts asking you questions about > what 'desktop environment' you want? > As I said earlier in this thread, and as the Fedora Bo

Re: Strange yum update hang (or something else) in Rawhide .. how to debug this further?

2013-02-04 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2013-02-04 at 19:17 +0200, Panu Matilainen wrote: > On 02/04/2013 07:01 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 04, 2013 at 04:38:08PM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > >> > >>Cleanup: cpp-4.8.0-0.7.fc19.x86_64 > >> 215/262 > >>Cleanup:

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-04 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2013-02-04 at 23:27 +0100, Martin Sourada wrote: > On Mon, 4 Feb 2013 16:34:18 +0100 > Jan Kratochvil wrote: > > Still I believe it is probably true as I doubt Fedora QA tests > > compatibility with old hosts. > > > Fedora QA AFAIK tests on their own hardware only + virtual machines. I >

NSS in Rawhide updated to nss-3.12.4

2013-02-04 Thread Elio Maldonado
To all interested, This is the upstream announcement: [NOTE: NSS 3.14.2 does not include a fix for the attacks described in the paper "Lucky Thirteen: Breaking the TLS and DTLS Record Protocols" (http://www.isg.rhul.ac.uk/tls/). An upcoming NSS

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-04 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2013-02-04 at 18:19 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > On 02/04/2013 05:47 PM, Kévin Raymond wrote: > >>> From what I have reports even Fedora 32-bit does not boot on such > >>> machines > >>> because nobody tests the bleeding edge Fedora kernels on such obsolete > >>> hardware. > >> > >> Cou

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Apache OpenOffice

2013-02-04 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2013-02-04 at 07:47 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > > = Features/ApacheOpenOffice = > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/ApacheOpenOffice > > > > Feature owner(s): Andrea Pescetti > > > > Add Apache OpenOffice, the free productivity suite, to Fedora. > > A b

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-04 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2013-02-04 at 06:56 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Adam Williamson wrote: > > 2. Can't we just not have a default? > > > > Not really. Others have touched on this, but the websites team really > > wants the simplicity of a straightforward 'Download' link that gets you > > a live image, and t

Re: Strange yum update hang (or something else) in Rawhide .. how to debug this further?

2013-02-04 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Mon, Feb 04, 2013 at 07:17:35PM +0200, Panu Matilainen wrote: > On 02/04/2013 07:01 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > >On Mon, Feb 04, 2013 at 04:38:08PM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > >> > >> Cleanup: cpp-4.8.0-0.7.fc19.x86_64 > >> 215/262 > >> Cleanup

Re: glpk soname bump expected?

2013-02-04 Thread Orion Poplawski
On 02/04/2013 09:13 AM, Jerry James wrote: On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 9:07 AM, Orion Poplawski wrote: Hmm, that makes it seem even more likely that upstream fat-fingered something. Although: http://upstream-tracker.org/versions/glpk.html does indicate that ABI has been broken (although it has been

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-04 Thread Martin Sourada
On Mon, 4 Feb 2013 16:34:18 +0100 Jan Kratochvil wrote: > Still I believe it is probably true as I doubt Fedora QA tests > compatibility with old hosts. > Fedora QA AFAIK tests on their own hardware only + virtual machines. I don't know about kernel upstream QA/devs though. I'm running F18 on a

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Apache OpenOffice

2013-02-04 Thread Martin Sourada
On Mon, 4 Feb 2013 14:31:11 + James Hogarth wrote: > Might I suggest focusing on packaging 3.4.1 for rawhide and dealing > with the issues surrounding conflicts and if that gies well consider > the 4.0 release (or whatever lines up then) for F20? That's mostly how I understand the proposal. Th

Re: Static Analysis: some UI ideas

2013-02-04 Thread David Malcolm
On Mon, 2013-02-04 at 22:13 +0100, Kamil Dudka wrote: > On Monday, February 04, 2013 15:04:36 David Malcolm wrote: > > I've been experimenting with some UI ideas for reporting static analysis > > results: I've linked to two different UI reports below. > > > > My hope is that we'll have a server in

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Fedora Upgrade - using yum

2013-02-04 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2013-02-04 at 18:11 +0100, Miroslav Suchý wrote: > On 01/29/2013 12:59 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: > > Well, the other thing fedup does - and the other reason it's necessary > > compared to a simple online yum upgrade - is provide a mechanism for > > pretty much any package to hook in pretty

Re: Static Analysis: some UI ideas

2013-02-04 Thread Kamil Dudka
On Monday, February 04, 2013 15:04:36 David Malcolm wrote: > I've been experimenting with some UI ideas for reporting static analysis > results: I've linked to two different UI reports below. > > My hope is that we'll have a server in the Fedora infrastructure for > browsing results, marking thing

Static Analysis: some UI ideas

2013-02-04 Thread David Malcolm
I've been experimenting with some UI ideas for reporting static analysis results: I've linked to two different UI reports below. My hope is that we'll have a server in the Fedora infrastructure for browsing results, marking things as false positives etc. However, for the purposes of simplicity du

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Apache OpenOffice

2013-02-04 Thread Andrea Pescetti
Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: My issue with Apache OpenOffice can be seen on LWN: https://lwn.net/Articles/532665/ [...] The Apache Software Foundation releases code under the Apache license; they are, indeed, rather firm on that point. The Symphony repository, though [...] It's an outdated article

Re: glpk soname bump expected?

2013-02-04 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Mon, 4 Feb 2013 09:13:33 -0700, Jerry James wrote: > On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 9:07 AM, Orion Poplawski wrote: > > Hmm, that makes it seem even more likely that upstream fat-fingered > > something. > > > > Although: http://upstream-tracker.org/versions/glpk.html > > does indicate that ABI has been

Re: polkit changes in f19

2013-02-04 Thread Matthias Clasen
- Original Message - > On Mon, Feb 04, 2013 at 04:31:10PM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote: > > Are packages really expected to ship .rules files? I don't think > > so: > > Right, as I understand it, with the new system, applications are > never ever supposed to ship such rules files. Yes, th

Re: [389-devel] Regarding changing instance specific scripts to be "global/generic"

2013-02-04 Thread Mark Reynolds
On 02/04/2013 12:16 PM, Rich Megginson wrote: On 02/04/2013 09:42 AM, Mark Reynolds wrote: There has been a request to remove instance specific scripts, and make them generic and placed in /usr/sbin/ https://fedorahosted.org/389/ticket/528 Should we remove all the scripts from /usr/lib64/d

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Apache OpenOffice

2013-02-04 Thread Luya Tshimbalanga
On 30/01/13 05:22 AM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Given that OpenOffice and LibreOffice share a common history (and not that far back), are there going to be any efforts made to allow them to be parallel-installable on the system, or will they be fully-fledged Conf

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Replace MySQL with MariaDB

2013-02-04 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Mon, Feb 04, 2013 at 12:16:36AM -0500, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > > But the fact that the packages conflict should stand in the way. > > > We don't have any guidelines that forbids it. > > Just a note for people searching the mailing list later: We do have Guidelines that prohibi

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Fedora Upgrade - using yum

2013-02-04 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 12:35 PM, Miroslav Suchý wrote: > > Lets pretend I'm still running Fedora 16 and every day I do yum-upgrade > and not rebooted from day zero. > I have exactly the same problem as during yum upgrade to next Fedora > release. > > So we are ignoring this behaviour in middl

Re: releasing ownership (maintainers/co-maintainers required)

2013-02-04 Thread Pavel Alexeev
04.02.2013 13:28, Petr Šabata пишет: On Mon, Feb 04, 2013 at 11:14:48AM +0200, Rakesh Pandit wrote: On 3 February 2013 17:20, Pavel wrote: I would like take dvtm and pstreams-devel. I have released the ownership. You can claim them. Thank you. I've taken dvtm as I've been more or less mainta

Re: #5467: 2 Packages missing from mirrors

2013-02-04 Thread Fedora Release Engineering
#5467: 2 Packages missing from mirrors --+--- Reporter: limb | Owner: rel-eng@… Type: task | Status: new Milestone: Fedora 19 Alpha | Component: koji Resolution: | Keywords: Blocked

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Fedora Upgrade - using yum

2013-02-04 Thread Miroslav Suchý
On 01/25/2013 12:12 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: So, you can ignore all of that, but then you have to think about what you actually accomplished by your upgrade? You updated a couple of libraries, and maybe managed to restart a few processes using them, but for the rest of them the vulnerable op

[perl-Pod-Parser] Sub-package Pod-Checker

2013-02-04 Thread Petr Pisar
commit 33aa8a21436966587bb3cac303a4e6bb7b2693fd Author: Petr Písař Date: Mon Feb 4 17:31:16 2013 +0100 Sub-package Pod-Checker perl-Pod-Parser.spec | 26 ++ 1 files changed, 26 insertions(+), 0 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/perl-Pod-Parser.spec b/perl-Pod-Parser.

[perl-Pod-Parser] Sub-package Pod-Usage

2013-02-04 Thread Petr Pisar
commit 4218ec632154822d30632f9620f3b707492e2ab2 Author: Petr Písař Date: Mon Feb 4 17:11:56 2013 +0100 Sub-package Pod-Usage perl-Pod-Parser.spec | 42 +- 1 files changed, 37 insertions(+), 5 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/perl-Pod-Parser.spec b/pe

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-04 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 02/04/2013 05:47 PM, Kévin Raymond wrote: From what I have reports even Fedora 32-bit does not boot on such machines because nobody tests the bleeding edge Fedora kernels on such obsolete hardware. Could you provide more details? I have Fedora 18 running on several 32bit machines and am won

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Virtio RNG

2013-02-04 Thread Cole Robinson
amit's response: On (Sun) 03 Feb 2013 [10:30:49], Cole Robinson wrote: > On 02/01/2013 04:39 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: >> Jaroslav Reznik (jrez...@redhat.com) said: >>> Feature owner(s): Cole Robinson , Amit Shah >>> >>> >>> Provide a paravirtual random number generator to virtual machines, to

Re: Strange yum update hang (or something else) in Rawhide .. how to debug this further?

2013-02-04 Thread Kevin Fenzi
I've not run into this on my rawhide laptop or rawhide vm today... Perhaps some kind of race condition there? kevin signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Replace MySQL with MariaDB

2013-02-04 Thread Henrique Junior
It looks like openSUSE is providing both, MariaDB and MySQL, with MariaDB as a default[1]. [1] - http://michal.hrusecky.net/2013/01/mysql-mariadb-and-opensuse-12-3/ 2013/2/4 Honza Horak > On 02/03/2013 06:24 PM, Pavel Alexeev wrote: > >> 01.02.2013 00:42, James Hogarth wrote: >> >>> I'd still

Re: Strange yum update hang (or something else) in Rawhide .. how to debug this further?

2013-02-04 Thread Panu Matilainen
On 02/04/2013 07:01 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Mon, Feb 04, 2013 at 04:38:08PM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: Cleanup: cpp-4.8.0-0.7.fc19.x86_64215/262 Cleanup: gdb-7.5.50.20130118-2.fc19.x86_64216/262 Cleanup:

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Fedora Upgrade - using yum

2013-02-04 Thread Miroslav Suchý
On 01/29/2013 12:59 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: Well, the other thing fedup does - and the other reason it's necessary compared to a simple online yum upgrade - is provide a mechanism for pretty much any package to hook in pretty much any action to be performed as part of the upgrade. To be sure o

Re: Strange yum update hang (or something else) in Rawhide .. how to debug this further?

2013-02-04 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Mon, Feb 04, 2013 at 04:38:08PM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > Cleanup: cpp-4.8.0-0.7.fc19.x86_64 > 215/262 > Cleanup: gdb-7.5.50.20130118-2.fc19.x86_64 > 216/262 > Cleanup: 1:findutils-4.5.10-7.fc19.x86_64

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-04 Thread Kévin Raymond
> > From what I have reports even Fedora 32-bit does not boot on such machines > >because nobody tests the bleeding edge Fedora kernels on such obsolete > >hardware. > > Could you provide more details? I have Fedora 18 running on several > 32bit machines and am wondering what you are referring to.

[Bug 907464] cpanm bundle lots of library and is not listed on fesco page

2013-02-04 Thread bugzilla
Product: Fedora https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=907464 Michael Scherer changed: What|Removed |Added Status|CLOSED |ASSIGNED Resol

Re: Strange yum update hang (or something else) in Rawhide .. how to debug this further?

2013-02-04 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Mon, Feb 04, 2013 at 04:41:25PM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > It looks as if rpm-libs was also updated moments earlier to > 4.11.0-0.beta1.3. Correction: RPM was just updated from 4.11.0-0.beta1.3 to 4.11.0.1-1. It was beta1.2 which was the dodgy version, but I didn't have that installed

[389-devel] Regarding changing instance specific scripts to be "global/generic"

2013-02-04 Thread Mark Reynolds
There has been a request to remove instance specific scripts, and make them generic and placed in /usr/sbin/ https://fedorahosted.org/389/ticket/528 Should we remove all the scripts from /usr/lib64/dirsrv/slapd-INSTANCE: bak2db db2index dn2rdnldif2ldap

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-04 Thread Kévin Raymond
Le lundi 04 févr. 2013 à 14:42:35 (+0100), Jan Kratochvil a écrit : > On Mon, 04 Feb 2013 14:16:58 +0100, Martin Sourada wrote: > > Big +1. What will an unsuspecting user think when he downloads, burns > > and tries Fedora on 32bit machine? That it's broken, > > From what I have reports even Fedo

Re: Strange yum update hang (or something else) in Rawhide .. how to debug this further?

2013-02-04 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Mon, Feb 04, 2013 at 04:38:08PM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > Yum is blocked on a futex: I should add: yum-3.4.3-57.fc19.noarch Rawhide 64 bit, almost(!) up to date. It looks as if rpm-libs was also updated moments earlier to 4.11.0-0.beta1.3. Rich. -- Richard Jones, Virtualization G

Strange yum update hang (or something else) in Rawhide .. how to debug this further?

2013-02-04 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
Cleanup: cpp-4.8.0-0.7.fc19.x86_64215/262 Cleanup: gdb-7.5.50.20130118-2.fc19.x86_64216/262 Cleanup: 1:findutils-4.5.10-7.fc19.x86_64 217/262 Cleanup: spice-server-0.12.2-2.fc19.x86_64

Re: glpk soname bump expected?

2013-02-04 Thread Jerry James
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 9:07 AM, Orion Poplawski wrote: > Hmm, that makes it seem even more likely that upstream fat-fingered > something. > > Although: http://upstream-tracker.org/versions/glpk.html > does indicate that ABI has been broken (although it has been done so in the > past without bumpin

Re: glpk soname bump expected?

2013-02-04 Thread Orion Poplawski
On 02/03/2013 03:47 AM, Michael Schwendt wrote: On Sat, 02 Feb 2013 19:54:23 -0700, Orion Poplawski wrote: Looks like going from glpk 4.47 to 4.48 bumped the soname from libglpk.so.0 to libglpk.so.33. Something tells me this was not expected and is not correct. Can this be verified? Could

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Dracut HostOnly

2013-02-04 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 6:22 PM, Dennis Gilmore wrote: > that are built at kernel build time? the issue with building it at > build time was making sure we knew exactly what sourcs we needed to > ship to match all the binaries in the initramfs. the initramfs's we > build and ship as part of teh in

[perl-Text-vFile-asData/f17: 4/4] Merge cleanup.

2013-02-04 Thread corsepiu
commit 847d97c16d16fee47da03deef3335132fca001c3 Author: Ralf Corsépius Date: Mon Feb 4 16:13:14 2013 +0100 Merge cleanup. perl-Text-vFile-asData.spec |6 -- 1 files changed, 0 insertions(+), 6 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/perl-Text-vFile-asData.spec b/perl-Text-vFile-asData.spec

[perl-Text-vFile-asData/f17] (4 commits) ...Merge cleanup.

2013-02-04 Thread corsepiu
Summary of changes: 1d5afe2... Perl 5.16 rebuild (*) 565c469... - Rebuilt for https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_18_Mass (*) d224f0d... Upstream update. (*) 847d97c... Merge cleanup. (*) This commit already existed in another branch; no separate mail sent -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http

Re: rawhide report: 20130203 changes

2013-02-04 Thread Jerry James
On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 1:03 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > Rebuilt by me: > > 4ti2 Actually, 4ti2 has been obsoleted by latte-integrale. I've reminded the maintainer that he needs to retire this package. -- Jerry James -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.or

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-04 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Mon, 04 Feb 2013 15:23:45 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > On 02/04/2013 02:42 PM, Jan Kratochvil wrote: > > From what I have reports even Fedora 32-bit does not boot on such machines > >because nobody tests the bleeding edge Fedora kernels on such obsolete > >hardware. > > Could you provide more

Re: polkit changes in f19

2013-02-04 Thread Matthew Miller
On Mon, Feb 04, 2013 at 04:31:10PM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote: > Are packages really expected to ship .rules files? I don't think so: Right, as I understand it, with the new system, applications are never ever supposed to ship such rules files. -- Matthew Miller ☁☁☁ Fedora Cloud Architect ☁

Re: polkit changes in f19

2013-02-04 Thread Florian Weimer
On 02/04/2013 08:52 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Matthias Clasen wrote: I just realized that there is a change to the way polkit is packaged in f19 that spin maintainers should be aware of: the polkit package is just the service, which only provides the default policy as specified in the action defin

Re: Mass changing 500 packages BR:maven to BR:maven-local - TOMORROW(ish)

2013-02-04 Thread Stephen Gallagher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon 04 Feb 2013 04:56:23 AM EST, Stanislav Ochotnicky wrote: > Now that I have your attention... > > Fedora Maven package is currently a mix of upstream release and our changes > that > we need for building RPMs. We can clean it up, but we need to

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Dracut HostOnly

2013-02-04 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 04.02.2013 15:47, schrieb John Reiser: >> = Features/DracutHostOnly = >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/DracutHostOnly > >> ... This results in a very big initramfs, which takes a long time to >> load on system start and a long time to create on kernel updates. > > For speed in cre

[perl-Text-vFile-asData] Upstream update.

2013-02-04 Thread corsepiu
commit d224f0dc1f3216ee2b83d20a61b249750e61e480 Author: Ralf Corsépius Date: Mon Feb 4 16:06:19 2013 +0100 Upstream update. - Modernize spec. - Drop obsoletes/provides %{name}-utils. .gitignore |2 +- perl-Text-vFile-asData.spec | 19 +++

File Text-vFile-asData-0.08.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by corsepiu

2013-02-04 Thread corsepiu
A file has been added to the lookaside cache for perl-Text-vFile-asData: 39fad8c1ca12d44a1bde955f74b3d470 Text-vFile-asData-0.08.tar.gz -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproje

[perl-Regexp-Grammars/el6] Update to version 1.026

2013-02-04 Thread Bill Pemberton
Summary of changes: 5c4099c... Update to version 1.026 (*) (*) This commit already existed in another branch; no separate mail sent -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject

[Bug 907124] perl-Regexp-Grammars-1.026 is available

2013-02-04 Thread bugzilla
Product: Fedora https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=907124 --- Comment #2 from Fedora Update System --- perl-Regexp-Grammars-1.026-1.fc17 has been submitted as an update for Fedora 17. https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/perl-Regexp-Grammars-1.026-1.fc17 -- You are receiving this ma

[Test-Announce] 2013-02-04 @ 16:00 UTC - Fedora QA Meeting

2013-02-04 Thread Adam Williamson
around to last week, mostly. This is a reminder of the upcoming QA meeting. Please add any topic suggestions to the meeting wiki page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings/20130204 The current proposed agenda is included below. == Proposed Agenda Topics == 1. Criteria Revision 2. Test C

[Bug 907124] perl-Regexp-Grammars-1.026 is available

2013-02-04 Thread bugzilla
Product: Fedora https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=907124 --- Comment #1 from Fedora Update System --- perl-Regexp-Grammars-1.026-1.fc18 has been submitted as an update for Fedora 18. https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/perl-Regexp-Grammars-1.026-1.fc18 -- You are receiving this ma

[perl-Regexp-Grammars/f17] Update to version 1.026

2013-02-04 Thread Bill Pemberton
Summary of changes: 5c4099c... Update to version 1.026 (*) (*) This commit already existed in another branch; no separate mail sent -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Dracut HostOnly

2013-02-04 Thread John Reiser
> = Features/DracutHostOnly = > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/DracutHostOnly > ... This results in a very big initramfs, which takes a long time to > load on system start and a long time to create on kernel updates. For speed in creating an initramfs, please consider Requiring the pack

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Apache OpenOffice

2013-02-04 Thread James Hogarth
Apologies for the accidental send before... On 4 February 2013 12:39, Andrea Pescetti wrote: > >> Kevin Kofler wrote: >> >>> * What benefit does this package have over LibreOffice, to justify >>> carrying >>>2 packages doing essentially the same thing? >>> >> >> They are indeed two productivi

[perl-Regexp-Grammars/f18] Update to version 1.026

2013-02-04 Thread Bill Pemberton
Summary of changes: 5c4099c... Update to version 1.026 (*) (*) This commit already existed in another branch; no separate mail sent -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject

Re: [HEADS UP] I've just built Erlang R16A in Rawhide.

2013-02-04 Thread Peter Lemenkov
2013/2/4 Richard W.M. Jones : > Are any changes required to C erl_interface / ei.h users? I mean > at the source level, not just recompiling. Nope, no changes are necessary. -- With best regards, Peter Lemenkov. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.o

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Apache OpenOffice

2013-02-04 Thread James Hogarth
On 4 February 2013 12:39, Andrea Pescetti wrote: > Kevin Kofler wrote: > >> * What benefit does this package have over LibreOffice, to justify >> carrying >>2 packages doing essentially the same thing? >> > > They are indeed two productivity suites, but they are evolving in > different direct

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-04 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 02/04/2013 02:42 PM, Jan Kratochvil wrote: On Mon, 04 Feb 2013 14:16:58 +0100, Martin Sourada wrote: Big +1. What will an unsuspecting user think when he downloads, burns and tries Fedora on 32bit machine? That it's broken, From what I have reports even Fedora 32-bit does not boot on such

[perl-Regexp-Grammars] Update to version 1.026

2013-02-04 Thread Bill Pemberton
commit 5c4099caa90e7f4fac6ba0d077cda1bd51f36410 Author: Bill Pemberton Date: Mon Feb 4 09:16:39 2013 -0500 Update to version 1.026 .gitignore|1 + perl-Regexp-Grammars.spec |7 +-- sources |2 +- 3 files changed, 7 insertions(+), 3 deletio

File Regexp-Grammars-1.026.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by wfp

2013-02-04 Thread Bill Pemberton
A file has been added to the lookaside cache for perl-Regexp-Grammars: 6d75f337154bbbcd754e75ba7dd48bdd Regexp-Grammars-1.026.tar.gz -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.

[perl-Log-Dispatch/f18] Upstream update.

2013-02-04 Thread corsepiu
Summary of changes: f3bdf5f... Upstream update. (*) (*) This commit already existed in another branch; no separate mail sent -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/ma

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-04 Thread Stef Walter
On 02/04/2013 06:28 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: >> I love GNOME 3 and detest KDE 4. I've tried MATE and Cinnamon on both >> Linux Mint and Fedora and don't really see the point of either of them >> as long as GNOME 3 offers fallback mode. > > Fallback mode is going away

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd/udev Predictable Network Interface Names

2013-02-04 Thread Kay Sievers
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Scott Schmit wrote: > Current: > em1 -> enp2s0 That is expected, and actually the right thing to do. Udev cannot apply such "it looks like it is embedded" heuristics for very practical technical reasons. There is no reliable information about that on the system,

Re: [HEADS UP] I've just built Erlang R16A in Rawhide.

2013-02-04 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Mon, Feb 04, 2013 at 12:29:04PM +0300, Peter Lemenkov wrote: > Hello All! > > As a part of the planned Erlang upgrade to R16 I updated it to the > recently released R16A (Release Candidate). I'm expecting a lot of > breakage. Unfortunately all incompatibilities are hidden from end > users, and

[Bug 907464] New: cpanm bundle lots of library and is not listed on fesco page

2013-02-04 Thread bugzilla
Product: Fedora https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=907464 Bug ID: 907464 Summary: cpanm bundle lots of library and is not listed on fesco page Product: Fedora Version: 18 Component: perl-App-cpanminus Seve

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-04 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Mon, 04 Feb 2013 14:16:58 +0100, Martin Sourada wrote: > Big +1. What will an unsuspecting user think when he downloads, burns > and tries Fedora on 32bit machine? That it's broken, From what I have reports even Fedora 32-bit does not boot on such machines because nobody tests the bleeding edge

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-04 Thread Mark Bidewell
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 12:49 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Matthias Clasen wrote: > > - Cinnamon started out as 'using GNOME components', but it is [now] a > full > > fork of mutter, gnome-shell and nautilus, at least, and bug-fixes are not > > going either way... > > Those are applications which form

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