Re: [dev] dwm only?

2009-05-24 Thread Uriel
Stop whining, the dwm list had tons of non-dwm chatter, if you are not interested in one thread, press the delete button. uriel On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Benjamin Conner wrote: >> Why not to maintain dwm list and redirect its content to dev list? > > That's a great idea

Re: [dev] uzbl

2009-05-24 Thread Uriel
WTF? They claim to follow 'the unix way', and they write *bash* scripts? Are this people retarded? And thy use --idiotic-gnu-style-options *YUCK* uriel On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 8:55 PM, Julien Laffaye wrote: > I like the main ideas (minimalism/vi(m) key bindings). > But the poo

Re: [dev] dwm only?

2009-05-24 Thread Uriel
Ever heard of procmail? uriel On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 4:25 PM, Benjamin Conner wrote: > ok.  I guess that's fine.  Maybe I'll just make another email adress for the > lists so it doesn't fill up my personal inbox. > > On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 10:15 AM, Uriel wrote:

Re: [dev] dwm only?

2009-05-24 Thread Uriel
Other than ad hominems, do you have any evidence that my statement regarding the amount of non-dwm related traffic in the dwm@ list is untrue? Thank you uriel On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 4:45 PM, pmarin wrote: > Uriel this is not 9fans, please send your stupid commets to another list. > &g

Re: [dev] uzbl

2009-05-24 Thread Uriel
management issue, it should be handled by the window manager, as you well note later on. One thing I hate is every damned app trying to do its own quirky pseudo-window-management, this is something that the uzbl people have got right, and I hope they don't change it. uriel > >

Re: [dev] uzbl

2009-05-24 Thread Uriel
es are related -- it enables > me, for example, to copy across documents. This is because (l)unix provides an awful environment for multi-tasking, the proper solution is to provide a sane way to copy data from one application to another. AFAIK vim has ways to use the X copy buffer, but the whole

Re: [dev] dwm only?

2009-05-25 Thread Uriel
Most email filtering tools (eg., procmail) allow to trivially match strings in the body of an email rather than in the subject. (I'm amazed that I need to point this out). uriel On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 12:40 PM, Michael wrote: > Anselm R Garbe wrote: >> If your topic is strict

Re: [dev] on a potential libc replacement

2009-05-26 Thread Uriel
The only problem is that PoSix is a piece of shit. uriel On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 4:25 PM, Kurt H Maier wrote: > http://libposix.sourceforge.net/ > > It's an implementation of POSIX 2008 -- and nothing else!  This is the > sort of thing we can use to build a suckless coreuti

Re: [dev] on a potential libc replacement

2009-05-26 Thread Uriel
ll of. uriel On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 8:57 PM, Jacob Todd wrote: > I see people saying this all of the time, but never an explanation. > Could you elaborate why posix is a piece of shit? > > On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 08:28:49PM +0200, Uriel wrote: >> The only problem is that P

Re: [dev] make framework for wmii

2009-05-31 Thread Uriel
Why not just use mk and be done with it? All the time wasted struggling with makefiles could be spent in more productive things, and it would help spread mk, which would be a very good thing. Peace uriel On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 7:29 PM, Kris Maglione wrote: > On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 02:24:3

[dev] [OT] Political Propaganda

2009-06-07 Thread Uriel
Today is the EU parliament election. Remember to vote for free speech, privacy rights, and against intellectual property abuses. The future of software and the internet depends on it. Peace uriel

Re: [dev] [OT] Political Propaganda

2009-06-08 Thread Uriel
ongly disagree on other topics, but we all come together to make a difference on the issues we all care about and can agree on. Peace uriel

Re: [dev] [OT] Political Propaganda

2009-06-08 Thread Uriel
all agree. uriel On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 4:10 PM, Uriel wrote: > On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 7:09 PM, Kai Hendry wrote: >> However where does the Pirate Party lay down it's policies on >> "financial regulation and eco-subsidies"? I couldn't find any

Re: [dev] [OT] Political Propaganda

2009-06-10 Thread Uriel
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 5:02 PM, Szabolcs Nagy wrote: > On 6/8/09, Uriel wrote: >> I forgot to mention that the German Pirate Party has taken a more >> 'expansive' approach to their positions, and that actually has put off >> a few people I know from voting for

[dev] Help promote your favorite suckless projects

2009-06-10 Thread Uriel
Reddit are giving free ad space to open source projects, more details at: http://blog.reddit.com/2009/06/help-reddit-celebrate-1-year-of-open.html Post and vote for your favorite project at: http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/8rf4b/ Enjoy uriel

Re: [dev] last request for a dev-only list

2009-06-11 Thread Uriel
don't even bother to open threads you aren't interested in, if I read every single email posted to every single list I'm subscribed to it would take me more than 24/7 of email reading just to keep up). Peace uriel P.S.: Perhaps having chat@ for random crap and relegating dev@ for

Re: [dev] Suckless (*NIX|*BSD) Distribution?

2009-06-20 Thread Uriel
Agreed, OpenBSD is far from perfect, but it sucks much less than any other *nix system out there this days. Peace uriel On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Jack Woehr wrote: > There's already a BSD distrib that sucks less. It's called OpenBSD! > > -- > Jack J. Woehr        

Re: [dev] dwm development continues NOW

2009-06-20 Thread Uriel
I thought we had agreed against having multiple drawing backends... this will add considerable complexity for no gain at all. uriel > Afterwards the next item will be the interface integration to enable > different drawing backends, which will ease porting to cairo/pango or > xft as

Re: [dev] Suckless (*NIX|*BSD) Distribution?

2009-06-21 Thread Uriel
Bash scripts are one of the worst venereal diseases to even infest *nix systems. Learn to use good ol' sh, or switch to rc, but stop spreading the bash braindamage. uriel On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 5:55 PM, hiro<23h...@googlemail.com> wrote: > On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Ja

Re: [dev] unsubscribe

2009-06-21 Thread Uriel
This list has become like the internet's kindergarten... And Erik Naggum is dead, just when the world needs him most, what a sad day :( uriel On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 6:26 AM, Kris Maglione wrote: > On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 12:18:15PM +0800, Ludovic Guégan wrote: >> >> Same to

Re: [dev] dwm development continues NOW

2009-06-21 Thread Uriel
ity in the software industry. uriel On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 5:43 PM, hiro<23h...@googlemail.com> wrote: >> As said, don't miss that all these efforts will be kept at > its most minimalist solution. > > Easily said... > >> It is the Sensible

Re: [dev] dwm development continues NOW

2009-06-21 Thread Uriel
On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 3:28 AM, Jack Woehr wrote: > Enno Boland (Gottox) wrote: >> >> 2009/6/21 Uriel : >> >>> >>> Excessive and naive obsession with code reuse is one of the major >>> sources of gratuitous complexity in the software industry. >

Re: [dev] Suckless (*NIX|*BSD) Distribution?

2009-06-22 Thread Uriel
you install only what you want > 2- you build from source (this is good! for security) > 3- SELinux is really good in gentoo. SELinux is stupid and pointless, and anyone using it is a masochist at best. uriel > 4- Going to dev versions of needed (for patches for example) doesn't > means you need to wait 6 months for it. > >> -- >> Sincerely, >> >> Antony Jepson /   / GPG Key: 0xFA10ED80 >> > >

Re: [dev] Re: dwm development continues NOW

2009-06-22 Thread Uriel
Didn't the Ion maintainer consider switching to Windows over how totally retarded XrandR and Xinerama are? Seems that X keeps getting worse and worse even when you thought that would be technically impossible. uriel On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 4:33 PM, Anselm R Garbe wrote: > 2009/6/22 A

Re: [dev] XCB: An alternative to Xlib

2009-06-23 Thread Uriel
Because using XML to generate C code is such a wonderful idea! I propose we rewrite dwm and wmii in pure xml and then use XSLT to generate C code that we can compile. That is what people call progress in the software industry! Erik Naggum[1] would be proud! uriel [1] http://harmful.cat-v.org

Re: [dev] XCB: An alternative to Xlib

2009-06-23 Thread Uriel
DSLs are great, but that is no excuse to build systems so insanely broken and complex that you need to generate all of the code to implement a protocol because it is too insanely complex to be done properly. The whole thing stinks way too much of CORBA/SOAP... uriel On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 10

[dev] Programming quotes.

2009-07-01 Thread Uriel
Just updated my online programming quotes archive, it contains some quotes that in my opinion have inspired much of the 'suckless' software philosophy, so take a look and lets use this thread to post your favorite programming quotes. http://quotes.cat-v.org/programming Enjoy uriel

Re: [dev] Programming quotes.

2009-07-01 Thread Uriel
Thanks for the correction, but I think that was a spelling mistake on purpose, I will add (sic). Peace uriel On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Fernan Bolando wrote: > On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 8:41 PM, Uriel wrote: >> Just updated my online programming quotes archive, it contains some >&

Re: [dev] Programming quotes.

2009-07-01 Thread Uriel
Haha, thanks for spotting that, I wonder if it was on purpose :) I fixed it anyway. uriel On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 2:03 PM, Jacob Todd wrote: > This is offtopic, but in fortunes.cat-v.org/kernelnewbies, the following quote > is there twice: > > % > "Thanks, and THIS time it

Re: [dev] Programming quotes.

2009-07-01 Thread Uriel
calculating the square root of PI using roman numerals is AFAIK attributed to Henry Spencer. Peace uriel On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 9:46 PM, Kris Maglione wrote: > On Wed, Jul 01, 2009 at 02:41:04PM +0200, Uriel wrote: >> >> lets use this thread to post your favorite programming quotes. >

Re: [dev] Programming quotes.

2009-07-01 Thread Uriel
of the English language :) uriel On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 9:47 PM, Kris Maglione wrote: > On Wed, Jul 01, 2009 at 03:18:53PM +0200, Uriel wrote: >> >> Thanks for the correction, but I think that was a spelling mistake on >> purpose, I will add (sic). > > It should be

Re: [dev] Programming quotes.

2009-07-01 Thread Uriel
I don't know, but it clearly seems a logical argument that Kris is making. Trying to apply logic and consistency to writing and language is hard, but well worth it. (I'm very bad at it, I might add.) On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 4:13 AM, Kurt H Maier wrote: > On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 7:09 PM, Kris Maglion

Re: [dev] Programming quotes.

2009-07-02 Thread Uriel
Maybe nobody cares about C#? It hardly seems worth even making fun of, and as Kurt well points out just going to http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/java and doing a mental s/Java/C#/ should do just fine if you really want quotes about C# uriel On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 8:03 PM, Jacob Todd wrote

Re: [dev] surf: web browser on archlinux

2009-07-03 Thread Uriel
ing bookmarks, a text editor works just fine. Also I was wondering if surf implements the traditional Unix text editing keybindings: http://unix-kb.cat-v.org I *hate* when ff or any other stupid browser closes the window/tab when I press ^W to *delete the previous word* (as God meant it to do). uriel

Re: [dev] surf: web browser on archlinux

2009-07-03 Thread Uriel
I wrote a chrome extension that fixes this ;) http://repo.cat-v.org/burning_chrome/hosaka/ I might write a similar extension for Firefox some day.. uriel On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 4:51 PM, Kurt H Maier wrote: > On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 8:47 AM, Uriel wrote: >> This reminds me that it woul

Re: [dev] surf: web browser on archlinux

2009-07-03 Thread Uriel
API? God, I hope not, that would imply shared libs or some such crap. Using factotum doesn't make it a requirement, it is just a convenient way to handle auth and passwords. uriel

Re: [dev] surf: web browser on archlinux

2009-07-03 Thread Uriel
On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 5:37 PM, Claudio M. Alessi wrote: > On Fri, Jul 03, 2009 at 09:51:59AM -0500, Kurt H Maier wrote: >> this is the biggest reason I hate firefox too.  ^u should not view >> source, it should erase the damn line. > I guess you (and Uriel) would be happy w

Re: [dev] surf: web browser on archlinux

2009-07-03 Thread Uriel
. As for the lines of code, it is mostly external libs that they happen to include in their tree, if webkit did the same it would be many millions of lines. uriel On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 9:07 PM, Szabolcs Nagy wrote: > On 7/3/09, Uriel wrote: >> to go, at the moment I really like Ne

Re: [dev] surf: web browser on archlinux

2009-07-03 Thread Uriel
On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 10:56 PM, Leandro Chescotta wrote: > [...] > La información del presente documento es clasificada como Confidencial. WTF?

Re: [dev] surf: web browser on archlinux

2009-07-03 Thread Uriel
On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 10:09 PM, Claudio M. Alessi wrote: > On Fri, Jul 03, 2009 at 05:59:01PM +0200, Uriel wrote: >> You guess wrong. > Since your problem is a correct behave of ^W an such "unix" shortcuts I think > I guessed right. That is *one* of my problems, nowher

[dev] email

2009-07-04 Thread Uriel
How can I send email? Thanks.

Re: [dev] dwm in a window

2009-07-05 Thread Uriel
How is it different from rio[1]? Oh, wait, forgot that X is over thirty years behind on window system technology[2]. uriel [1] http://man.cat-v.org/plan_9/1/rio [2] http://doc.cat-v.org/bell_labs/concurrent_window_system/ On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 8:52 PM, Mate Nagy wrote: > Yo, >>  

Re: [dev] dwm in a window

2009-07-06 Thread Uriel
Funny, I would think X apologists need to find something new to whine about. As for Plan 9 not being the future, it seems that even the X developers themselves disagree with you, there is a reason they lifted the new X rendering model directly from plan9's draw device. uriel On Mon, Jul 6,

Re: [dev] dwm in a window

2009-07-07 Thread Uriel
build a new window system, that IMHO seems like a natural starting point. uriel On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 5:58 PM, David Tweed wrote: > On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 4:25 PM, Kurt H Maier wrote: >> On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 9:24 AM, Anselm R Garbe wrote: >>> a) on top of existing ones >>&

Re: [dev] dwm in a window

2009-07-08 Thread Uriel
replace the whole model with something sensible like libdraw. uriel On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 11:17 AM, hiro<23h...@googlemail.com> wrote: > Sorry, but this sounds complicated. > > On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 10:57 AM, yy wrote: >> 2009/7/5 Alexander Polakov : >>>  Well,

Re: [dev] mention suckless favorably in today's blog article A Quantum of Computing

2009-07-13 Thread Uriel
huge efforts to 'optimize' said square wheels buy adding even more square wheels to the assembly. uriel On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Jack Woehr wrote: > I mention suckless favorably in today's blog article A Quantum of Computing > > You folks are the greatest. > > --

Re: [dev] OT - suckless or not ? :)

2009-07-15 Thread Uriel
osx-like == sucks big time. uriel On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 3:28 PM, Julien Pecqueur (JPEC) wrote: > I'm very surprised to heard about suckless philosophy on a definetly not > suckless project mailing list : étoilé, a osx-like free project. > > Message original

Re: [dev] OT - suckless or not ? :)

2009-07-15 Thread Uriel
ophy of modularity > and re-usability..." Xfce devs completely fail at understanding what the Unix philosophy was all about. uriel > > On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 3:28 PM, Julien Pecqueur > (JPEC) wrote: >> I'm very surprised to heard about suckless philosophy on a definetl

Re: [dev] 9base awk bug

2009-07-20 Thread Uriel
P9p now includes awk, one less reason to use 9base. uriel On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 6:32 PM, wrote: > Hi, > > I tried to build 9base, and I encountered the following error: > In file included from awk.h:184, > from re.c:34: > proto.h:134: error: conflicting

Re: [dev] wmii next release

2009-08-03 Thread Uriel
out a new release in the near future for some years now... uriel

Re: [dev] 9base-3

2009-08-07 Thread Uriel
has to do it and has to follow all the silly Debian conventions and whatever which takes a lifetime master). Peace uriel On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 12:50 AM, Charlie Kester wrote: > On Thu 06 Aug 2009 at 13:08:06 PDT Anselm R Garbe wrote: >> >> Hi there, >> >> I revived

Re: [dev] 9base-3

2009-08-08 Thread Uriel
That would be really *wonderful. No, seriously, I would love to see that. Thanks! uriel On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 11:03 AM, Daniel Baumann wrote: > Uriel wrote: >> To me, the only difference is that unlike p9p, 9base does get packaged >> into Debian. > > i should get arround t

[dev] Suck less software discussion in reddit

2009-08-12 Thread Uriel
http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/99yom/the_secret_of_success_suck_less/ Enjoy. uriel

Re: [dev] 9base-3

2009-08-13 Thread Uriel
I don't have a lifetime to spend studying all the debian arcana and follow their byzantine bureaucracy. uriel On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 11:57 PM, Preben Randhol wrote: > On Fri, 7 Aug 2009 22:00:48 +0200 > Uriel wrote: > >> To me, the only difference is that unlike p9p, 9ba

Re: [dev] unsubscribe

2009-08-19 Thread Uriel
Shouldn't people that can't figure out how to unsubscribe from a mailing lists be the target of an eugenics program? uriel 2009/8/17 Tadeusz Sośnierz : > Dnia 2009-08-17, o godz. 10:57:03 > Marius Pana napisał(a): > >> > > Shouldn't emails like this be blocked by mailing list app? > Regards > >

Re: [dev] unsubscribe

2009-08-19 Thread Uriel
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Andrei Tanase wrote: [snip] > post scriptum: uriel, i bet you are one pedant fuck. pedant as in > researching, establishing and policing a strict (and optimum) ratio of > foreplay to coitus. Hahahahaha! You made me cry tears of joy, can I add this qu

Re: [dev] unsubscribe

2009-08-19 Thread Uriel
Damn, I'm more mentally incapacitated than the morons that don't know how to unsubscribe from a mailing list: I don't know how to reply to the original author instead of to the whole list! Time to go shopping for some cyanide. uriel On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Uriel wrote: &

Re: [dev] unsubscribe

2009-08-19 Thread Uriel
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 4:10 PM, Andrei Tanase wrote: > Uriel wrote: >> >> Damn, I'm more mentally incapacitated than the morons that don't know >> how to unsubscribe from a mailing list: I don't know how to reply to >> the original author instead of to

Re: [dev] unsubscribe

2009-08-19 Thread Uriel
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 4:34 PM, Uriel wrote: > CC sucks. "Intellectual property" is a disgrace and CC perpetuates it. I'm in a sucking mood today. Let me clarify: I think CC0 is a great idea, the rest of the CC licenses are a mess and way too restrictive. uriel

[dev] Suckless.org in reddit...

2009-08-21 Thread Uriel
http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/9ct01/ Enjoy uriel

Re: [dev] suckless @ conferences?

2009-08-25 Thread Uriel
. January / February would be good as I will be traveling around Europe then. Peace uriel On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Anselm R Garbe wrote: > 2009/8/25 Dieter Plaetinck : >> Hey, >> do any of the surf/wmii/.. hackers attend conferences? > > Yes I do occasionally -- but my stra

Re: [dev] [st] goals / non-goals for st?

2009-08-25 Thread Uriel
ource code. Just check the official README, it's kind of > scary: Never mind garbeam, he is being delusional as usual. uriel > >>                        Abandon All Hope, Ye Who Enter Here >> >> >> This is undoubtedly the most ugly program in the distrib

Re: [dev] [st] goals / non-goals for st?

2009-08-25 Thread Uriel
GNU stuff. >> > > what's wrong with GNU stuff? Wrong question. What is *right* with GNU? > I mean - why hate it? :) Because it is a disease. Peace uriel

Re: [dev] [st] goals / non-goals for st?

2009-08-25 Thread Uriel
l the retards out there... uriel

Re: [dev] 9base-4

2009-08-27 Thread Uriel
Awesome, this should be enough to run werc. Thanks! uriel On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 8:07 PM, Anselm R Garbe wrote: > Hi there, > > I just released 9base-4, which can be downloaded from: > > http://dl.suckless.org/tools/9base-4.tar.gz > > It includes some new commands such

Re: [dev] dwm is awesome!

2009-08-28 Thread Uriel
en realize how little real value it had. We see it with new Plan 9 users *all the time*. uriel > In any case, you > don't need to write that code yourself - it's in suckless wiki. > >

Re: [dev] dwm is awesome!

2009-08-30 Thread Uriel
om honest statements. X has only really run on Plan 9 for a year or so, and almost nobody uses it, unless you want to run some crap linux software with linuxemu. uriel > I wonder why... I'll revisit it tonight (or tomorrow night) if running > Plan9 Xless is indeed possible. > >

Re: [dev] A lightwieight and working typesetting system.

2009-09-03 Thread Uriel
Have retards taken over suckless? Or is this all some big sick joke? uriel On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 11:31 AM, thomas wrote: > 2009/9/2  : >>> I recommend type setting using HTML. > > I second this: HTML, then a conversion to pdf. > >> HTML is useless for document

Re: [dev] [surf] gtk key bindings

2009-09-06 Thread Uriel
In theory you should be able to use the instructions at: http://unix-kb.cat-v.org/GTK_2/ Any further contributions about hot to provide sane Unix-like keybindings to more apps and environments are very welcome. Peace uriel On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Ryan Zheng wrote: > I've been

Re: [dev] Talk about sane web browsers

2009-09-06 Thread Uriel
Troff works great for generating slides. uriel On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 11:31 PM, Kris Maglione wrote: > On Thu, Sep 03, 2009 at 09:36:23PM +0200, markus schnalke wrote: >> >> P.S. (especially @Uriel ;-) ): Please don't blame me because the >> software I used for the

Re: [dev] Talk about sane web browsers

2009-09-06 Thread Uriel
too useful, but development seems to be fast and they are moving forward quite fast. Peace uriel [1]: Of course there can't be a sane web browser, but a different coat of paint on top of webkit is not going to be any saner than Chrome, and unlike all this so called "sane browsers"

Re: [dev] [libixp] Fix build on case insensitive FS

2009-09-06 Thread Uriel
#x27;an issue', they are a disease and anyone found using such a FS should be exterminated on the spot to keep the disease from spreading. uriel > I've been assured that wmii and libixp build fine on > Darwin/OS-X's case-insensitive HFS. The problem with CIFS, I think, is >

Re: [dev] [surf] gtk key bindings

2009-09-07 Thread Uriel
Wrong, sane unix-like bindings are not "Emacs". The gnome people are ignorant retards and never learn, I told them this years ago. uriel On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 9:45 AM, Ramil Farkhshatov wrote: > On Sun, Sep 06, 2009 at 10:53:14AM -0700, Ryan Zheng wrote: >> I've been

Re: [dev] Talk about sane web browsers

2009-09-07 Thread Uriel
On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 1:50 AM, Ray Kohler wrote: > On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 7:30 PM, Uriel wrote: >> You can't have a "sane web browser"[1] with an insane rendering >> engine. All you are doing otherwise is giving a turd another coat of >> paint. >> >

Re: [dev] Talk about sane web browsers

2009-09-07 Thread Uriel
FX out of the box and that's definitely a more suckless version of > document rendering / scripting than HTML + Javascript. You better kick yourself out of this universe. WTF are you smoking? uriel > > I got the idea then that it may not be a bad idea to develop a "suckl

Re: [dev] Talk about sane web browsers

2009-09-07 Thread Uriel
b" stack is > wether suicide or going to the forest and start a new life from > scratch ;) Or colonizing a far away planet and starting a new civilization, one ruled by a religion where anyone that starts to think they are real smart is sacrificed to the Gods imediately. Peace uriel

Re: [dev] Talk about sane web browsers

2009-09-07 Thread Uriel
On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 4:30 PM, Jacob Todd wrote: > On Mon, Sep 07, 2009 at 07:33:19PM +0200, Uriel wrote: >> ruled by a religion > I thought you were a 'utopian philosopher'? Everyone knows that in a utopia > there would be no religion. No religion? What is

Re: [dev] slides with troff (was: Talk about sane web browsers)

2009-09-07 Thread Uriel
I have always used troff to generate really nice 4:3 landscape slides, but that is on Plan 9, I should put my macros and some examples in http://repo.cat-v.org but it really is not rocket science. uriel On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 9:53 PM, markus schnalke wrote: > [2009-09-07 01:27] Ur

Re: [dev] Talk about sane web browsers

2009-09-07 Thread Uriel
On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 9:35 PM, markus schnalke wrote: > [2009-09-07 11:50] Uriel >> On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 1:50 AM, Ray Kohler wrote: >> > On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 7:30 PM, Uriel wrote: >> >> You can't have a "sane web browser"[1] with an insane render

Re: [dev] Talk about sane web browsers

2009-09-07 Thread Uriel
On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 11:34 PM, markus schnalke wrote: > [2009-09-07 22:05] Paul Malherbe >> >> >> --snip--- > > Your mail gets most likely redirected to /dev/null before he reads it. Indeed, what the fuck is up with retards using HTML email? uriel > > >

Re: [dev] Talk about sane web browsers

2009-09-07 Thread Uriel
On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 3:13 AM, Pinocchio wrote: > On Mon, 07 Sep 2009 03:26:05 -0700, frederic wrote: > >> On Mon, 07 Sep 2009 11:51:46 +0200, Uriel wrote: >> >>> On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 2:38 AM, Pinocchio wrote: >>>> >>>> A few months ago lobo

Re: [dev] Talk about sane web browsers

2009-09-08 Thread Uriel
On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 10:07 AM, Anselm R Garbe wrote: > 2009/9/8 Uriel : >> On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 9:35 PM, markus schnalke wrote: >>> The point is: It is simply not possible to have sane web browsers. But >>> you both come to bad results IMO. >>> >>&g

Re: [dev] Talk about sane web browsers

2009-09-08 Thread Uriel
On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Anselm R Garbe wrote: > 2009/9/8 Uriel : >> On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 10:07 AM, Anselm R Garbe wrote: >>> I think it is clear that the existing web stack can't be implemented >>> in a less sucking way. >> >> This is rid

Re: [dev] Talk about sane web browsers

2009-09-08 Thread Uriel
anted to rub salt into your wounds I could add that if it was not for my judgement you would still be programming in C++, using auto*hell, praising Object Oriented programming as the greatest invention in the history of programming, and god only knows what else. Peace uriel > > Kind regards, > Anselm > >

Re: [dev] Talk about sane web browsers

2009-09-08 Thread Uriel
This discussion has become too silly even for the ministry of silly mailing list discussions. uriel On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 4:51 PM, Anselm R Garbe wrote: > 2009/9/8 Uriel : >> On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Anselm R Garbe wrote: >>> So you judge about things you believe you

Re: [dev] Talk about sane web browsers

2009-09-08 Thread Uriel
;The internet is not for sissies." Oh, and see Wolfgang Pauli's quote here: http://quotes.cat-v.org/ uriel P.S.: And who is polluting the pristine snow of this list now? Go pee somewhere else, there is enough sewage around here as it is. > /Don > >> >> Kind regards, >> Anselm >> >> > >

Re: [dev] Talk about sane web browsers

2009-09-08 Thread Uriel
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 12:46 AM, Aurélien Aptel wrote: > I also like Uriel's madness. His rants are always exaggerated, and as > said Anselm you don't have to take them too seriously. > He's just a cute troll (and you know the saying). > "Uriel, the suckless Tough G

Re: [dev] slides with troff (was: Talk about sane web browsers)

2009-09-08 Thread Uriel
Ok, I put this together in five min while sleep deprived, but I think it still should be enough to get you started: http://repo.cat-v.org/troff-slider/ Enjoy. uriel On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 8:48 PM, Charlie Kester wrote: > On Tue 08 Sep 2009 at 10:38:26 PDT markus schnalke wrote: >> &g

Re: [dev] Talk about sane web browsers

2009-09-08 Thread Uriel
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 3:47 AM, Kurt H Maier wrote: > On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 4:49 PM, Donald Allen wrote: >> Unless and until that happens, I want no part of this. > > can you maybe whine about uriel on livejournal or somewhere else that > doesn't require me to actively filt

Re: [dev] Talk about sane web browsers

2009-09-08 Thread Uriel
sure if this makes it more clear, it is 5am and I'm barely awake, ask if it is still confusing. Peace uriel > > -- > Pinocchio > >

Re: [dev] slides with troff (was: Talk about sane web browsers)

2009-09-11 Thread Uriel
windows if you want to demo stuff... Enjoy. uriel On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 8:35 PM, markus schnalke wrote: > [2009-09-09 04:59] Uriel >> >> Ok, I put this together in five min while sleep deprived, but I think >> it still should be enough to get you started: >> >> h

Re: [dev] [surf] surf-0.1

2009-09-11 Thread Uriel
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 1:23 PM, Enno Boland (Gottox) wrote: > Hi there! > > This is the first official release of surf, > a minimal Webkit/GTK based browser. Triple oxymoron. uriel > You can download it here: > > http://dl.suckless.org/surf/surf-0.1.tar.g

Re: [dev] slides with troff (was: Talk about sane web browsers)

2009-09-11 Thread Uriel
It supports UTF-8, that is all anyone sane should need. uriel On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 6:38 AM, Wu, Yue wrote: > On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 02:35:20 +0800, markus schnalke > wrote: > >> [2009-09-09 04:59] Uriel >>> >>> Ok, I put this together in five min while sleep d

Re: [dev] Conversation with Anselm R. Garbe of suckless.org

2009-09-14 Thread Uriel
No HTML email, please. And for your delectation: http://dobbscodetalk.com/index.php?option=com_myblog&show=Conversation-with-Anselm-R.-Garbe-of-suckless.org.html&Itemid=29";>Conversation with Anselm R. Garbe of suckless.org -- Jack J. Woehr# «'I know what "it" means well enough,

Re: [dev] Conversation with Anselm R. Garbe of suckless.org

2009-09-14 Thread Uriel
ng your brain. SICP and The Unix Programming Environment might help, but no book can replace clear thinking about what the real problem you are trying to solve is. uriel > Hope that made some sense.. > >

Re: [dev] Conversation with Anselm R. Garbe of suckless.org

2009-09-14 Thread Uriel
to write much more code, and worse, much more complex code. You are better off exclusively using camefrom and goto to reuse code than using inheritance. As for multiple inheritance... that is sheer lunacy and anyone that even considers using it should be confined to a mental asylum for the rest of

Re: [dev] Conversation with Anselm R. Garbe of suckless.org

2009-09-14 Thread Uriel
def struct CX##Class *CX##Class;\ >     struct CX##Class {struct SX##Class super; >   #define METHODS }; >   #define END_CLASS > >  So then, he can instantiate multiple different engines depending on >  processor load, etc. Your friend should beaten up semi-unconscious with metal bars, thrown into a big hole in the ground, and then have the hole filed with liquid feces until he drowns. Peace uriel > >> Kind regards, >> Anselm >> > > Thanks again, this discussion is really helping me. > > >

Re: [dev] Conversation with Anselm R. Garbe of suckless.org

2009-09-15 Thread Uriel
And at least I don't put *fucking html* in my emails. Peace uriel On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 6:23 PM, Daniel Bainton wrote: > 2009/9/15 Jack Woehr : >> U think it may be genetic? :) > > Ah, thanks for proving that Uriel isn't quite in the bottom of the > chain, atl

Re: [dev] Conversation with Anselm R. Garbe of suckless.org

2009-09-15 Thread Uriel
from OO and there is no other scapegoat to blame. Peace uriel On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 9:33 PM, markus schnalke wrote: > [2009-09-13 23:34] Amit Uttamchandani >> >> Just curious as to the arguments against OO programming. All the classes >> I have taken in uni always trumpe

Re: [dev] Conversation with Anselm R. Garbe of suckless.org

2009-09-15 Thread Uriel
gt; inter process communications? Sockets? > > Yes, or something like 9P.  (Beat you to it, Uriel!) > > Does anyone nowadays still remember the lessons of the structured > programming paradigm that preceded OOD?  It's amazing how well the Unix > approach exemplifies the stru

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