AW: [dev] [stali] Root CA certificates

2016-10-24 Thread Bruno Vetter
> It looks like the stali curl_config.h sets CURL_CA_BUNDLE to > /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt[0]. I suspect that this is the > detected location for the cert bundle on the system used to run curl's > configure script. I overlooked that. > I don't know how it's meant to work on stali, but on

Re: [dev] [stali] Root CA certificates

2016-10-23 Thread Michael Forney
On 10/23/16, Bruno Vetter wrote: >> I suggest just grabbing cert.pem from libressl. > > Thanks for the quick reply. Do you know if there is a designated default > path for certs in stali? It looks like the stali curl_config.h sets CURL_CA_BUNDLE to /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt[0]. I suspect

Re: [dev] [stali] Boot time (was: The stali way to wifi)

2016-10-23 Thread hiro
> If all I want to do is flip my laptop closed to go from the kitchen to the bedroom… then your laptop should realize you're doing nothing and keep the CPU in idle state anyway. you shouldn't need to tell it specifically, especially for such a short time. shouldn't be worth it. sane laptops will

Re: [dev] [stali] Root CA certificates

2016-10-23 Thread Bruno Vetter
> I suggest just grabbing cert.pem from libressl. Thanks for the quick reply. Do you know if there is a designated default path for certs in stali? >From what I see, stali's curl is not built with any certs default path or >default bundle file. I don't know if it falls back to some libressl set

Re: [dev] [stali] Root CA certificates

2016-10-23 Thread Michael Forney
On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 8:47 AM, Bruno Vetter wrote: > what is the recommended way to obtain a decent bundle of CA certificates for > stali? Like the ones I find in /etc/ssl/certs in my current distro. I suggest just grabbing cert.pem from libressl.

Re: [dev] [stali] Boot time (was: The stali way to wifi)

2016-10-23 Thread alp
> On 10/21/16 11:48, Anselm R Garbe wrote: > > I've been arguing against MS Windows' misdesign to reboot the system > > on configuration changes. But from a stali perspective I kind of > > prefer rebooting the system for the prize of avoiding a daemon or > > runlevel management. It's simpler and it

[dev] [stali] Root CA certificates

2016-10-23 Thread Bruno Vetter
Hello, what is the recommended way to obtain a decent bundle of CA certificates for stali? Like the ones I find in /etc/ssl/certs in my current distro. Thanks Bruno

Re: [dev] [stali] Boot time (was: The stali way to wifi)

2016-10-21 Thread Paul Menzel
Dear Anselm, and suckless folks, On 10/21/16 11:48, Anselm R Garbe wrote: On 21 October 2016 at 10:01, Kamil Cholewiński wrote: On Thu, 20 Oct 2016, Laslo Hunhold wrote: as an off-idea: How are startup-times of stali? Given the power of machines today, there should not be many things limiti

Re: [dev] [stali] The stali way to wifi

2016-10-21 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 21 October 2016 at 10:01, Kamil Cholewiński wrote: > On Thu, 20 Oct 2016, Laslo Hunhold wrote: >> as an off-idea: How are startup-times of stali? Given the power of >> machines today, there should not be many things limiting a startup in >> just a few seconds. Any data on that? > > Oh just try

Re: [dev] [stali] The stali way to wifi

2016-10-21 Thread Kamil Cholewiński
On Thu, 20 Oct 2016, Laslo Hunhold wrote: > as an off-idea: How are startup-times of stali? Given the power of > machines today, there should not be many things limiting a startup in > just a few seconds. Any data on that? Oh just try it. I was truly amazed. >From bootloader to login prompt in li

Re: [dev] [stali] The stali way to wifi

2016-10-20 Thread Laslo Hunhold
On Thu, 20 Oct 2016 07:57:44 +0200 Anselm R Garbe wrote: Hey Anselm, > Are you talking about svc? Actually I did not create them and never > understood the need for them > > My take is to keep everything in rc.init resp. rc.exit. I don't need > on demand services. If something should run as a d

Re: [dev] [stali] The stali way to wifi

2016-10-19 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 19 October 2016 at 19:10, stephen Turner wrote: > So i briefly viewed the svc scripts, it appears that you have for the > most part recreated daemon-tools in script form? Are you talking about svc? Actually I did not create them and never understood the need for them My take is to keep everyt

Re: [dev] [stali] The stali way to wifi

2016-10-19 Thread stephen Turner
So i briefly viewed the svc scripts, it appears that you have for the most part recreated daemon-tools in script form? Perhaps i over looked it but it also appears to have omitted a auto restart of the service. I assume this is by design and a good choice i would think for a number of reasons. Is

Re: [dev] [stali] The stali way to wifi

2016-10-19 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 18 October 2016 at 19:31, Bruno Vetter wrote: > thanks for all the support so far. > How would one connect to wifi in stali? For me, installing libnl-tiny and > wpa_supplicant works, but I'd be interested to hear if/how this is meant to > be achieved in a stali way. ip and sdhcp are already

Re: [dev] [stali] The stali way to wifi

2016-10-18 Thread hiro
i use udhcpc from busybox

Re: [dev] [stali] The stali way to wifi

2016-10-18 Thread Kamil Cholewiński
On Tue, 18 Oct 2016, Cág wrote: > stali has sdhcp. Thanks for the suggestion, I may include it in my setup at some point.

WG: [dev] [stali] The stali way to wifi

2016-10-18 Thread Bruno Vetter
Yes, that's what I use. And I also installed svc to start things up. Not part of stali, but of "suckless core". Von: Cág Gesendet: Dienstag, 18. Oktober 2016 21:08 An: dev mail list Betreff: Re: [dev] [stali] The stali way to wifi   > dhclient? I thought that was, *re

Re: [dev] [stali] The stali way to wifi

2016-10-18 Thread Cág
dhclient? I thought that was, *relatively* speaking, looked down on? stali has sdhcp.

Re: [dev] [stali] The stali way to wifi

2016-10-18 Thread alp
On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 07:46:14PM +0200, Kamil Cholewiński wrote: > not running stali (Debian here), but should work all the same. > I simply put wpa_supplicant and dhclient under runit: dhclient? I thought that was, *relatively* speaking, looked down on?

Re: [dev] [stali] The stali way to wifi

2016-10-18 Thread Kamil Cholewiński
On Tue, 18 Oct 2016, Bruno Vetter wrote: > Hi there, > > thanks for all the support so far. > How would one connect to wifi in stali? For me, installing libnl-tiny and > wpa_supplicant works, but I'd be interested to hear if/how this is meant to > be achieved in a stali way. > > Bruno Hi Bruno,

[dev] [stali] The stali way to wifi

2016-10-18 Thread Bruno Vetter
Hi there, thanks for all the support so far. How would one connect to wifi in stali? For me, installing libnl-tiny and wpa_supplicant works, but I'd be interested to hear if/how this is meant to be achieved in a stali way. Bruno

Re: [dev] [stali] How to view manpages?

2016-10-17 Thread Michael Forney
On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 6:53 PM, Evan Gates wrote: > The plan for now is to use 9 base troff and a pager which has not yet > been picked. Currently 9 base troff has been added to the src repo, > but the mdoc macros still need to be included (the ones from heirloom > troff worked). As such you shou

Re: [dev] [stali] How to view manpages?

2016-10-17 Thread Evan Gates
On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 5:57 AM, Bruno Vetter wrote: > Guten Tag, > > trying out stali I see that manpages are included, but how can I actually > view them? Before I install anything I want to ensure to do it in the most > suckless way. > > Thank you > Bruno The plan for now is to use 9 base tr

[dev] [stali] How to view manpages?

2016-10-15 Thread Bruno Vetter
Guten Tag, trying out stali I see that manpages are included, but how can I actually view them? Before I install anything I want to ensure to do it in the most suckless way. Thank you Bruno

Re: AW: [dev] [stali] Need musl based toolchain on stali installation

2016-10-11 Thread Michael Forney
On Oct 7, 2016 7:24 AM, "Bruno Vetter" wrote: > yes, it's tedious and I understand that it's not crucial to have the > toolchain statically linked. Trying to do so also brings up a lot of > questions that I cannot answer easily. For example a statically linked linker > apparently does not suppo

WG: [dev] [stali] Why lksh?

2016-10-10 Thread Bruno Vetter
Legacy mode is only set in build.sh when using the -L flag. Which is the way to build lksh according to the build documentation. Von: Bruno Vetter Gesendet: Montag, 10. Oktober 2016 19:05 An: dev mail list Betreff: AW: [dev] [stali] Why lksh?   I built stali from source and I see some

AW: [dev] [stali] Why lksh?

2016-10-10 Thread Bruno Vetter
ontag, 10. Oktober 2016 04:47 An: dev mail list Betreff: Re: [dev] [stali] Why lksh?   Hi Bruno, On 9 October 2016 at 10:06, Bruno Vetter wrote: > i'm curious why you have chosen lksh as the stali shell. The manpage says: Looks like a man page fault to me, probably lksh.1 is copied o

Re: [dev] [stali] Why lksh?

2016-10-10 Thread Evan Gates
On Sun, Oct 9, 2016 at 7:47 PM, Anselm R Garbe wrote: > Looks like a man page fault to me, probably lksh.1 is copied over > sh.1. The binary should be definitely mksh. Yep, binary is named sh in stali.mk and bin.mk checks for $(BIN).1 so we get sh.1 which is for lksh instead of mksh.1. Simple sol

Re: [dev] [stali] Why lksh?

2016-10-09 Thread Anselm R Garbe
Hi Bruno, On 9 October 2016 at 10:06, Bruno Vetter wrote: > i'm curious why you have chosen lksh as the stali shell. The manpage says: Looks like a man page fault to me, probably lksh.1 is copied over sh.1. The binary should be definitely mksh. Cheers, Anselm

Re: [dev] [stali] Why lksh?

2016-10-09 Thread Cág
Bruno Vetter wrote: I'm curious why you have chosen lksh as the stali shell. Nobody has. If I'm not mistaken, /bin/sh is a symlink to /bin/mksh. loksh[0] is another shell that is mentioned on the site, but yet to be distributed with the rest of the source. Cág [0]: https://github.com/dimk

[dev] [stali] Why lksh?

2016-10-09 Thread Bruno Vetter
Guten Morgen, i'm curious why you have chosen lksh as the stali shell. The manpage says: ...is a command interpreter intended exclusively for running legacy shell scripts. ... is not suitable as a user's login shell, either; use mksh instead. Cheers Bruno

Re: [dev] [stali] Need musl based toolchain on stali installation

2016-10-07 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 7 October 2016 at 16:24, Bruno Vetter wrote: > yes, it's tedious and I understand that it's not crucial to have the > toolchain statically linked. Trying to do so also brings up a lot of > questions that I cannot answer easily. For example a statically linked linker > apparently does not sup

AW: [dev] [stali] Need musl based toolchain on stali installation

2016-10-07 Thread Bruno Vetter
ea if that would be acceptable for a toolchain. I might just go on with the existing toolchain as you describe. Thanks much for your help. Bruno Von: Anselm R Garbe Gesendet: Freitag, 7. Oktober 2016 13:02 An: dev mail list Betreff: Re: [dev] [stali] Need musl based toolchain on stali installati

AW: [dev] [stali] Need musl based toolchain on stali installation

2016-10-07 Thread Bruno Vetter
auto-made makefiles. Perhaps I will continue just to see what I end up with. Von: Cág Gesendet: Freitag, 7. Oktober 2016 10:23 An: dev mail list Betreff: Re: [dev] [stali] Need musl based toolchain on stali installation   Bruno Vetter wrote: > building several applications like this o

Re: [dev] [stali] Need musl based toolchain on stali installation

2016-10-07 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 7 October 2016 at 12:27, Cág wrote: > Anselm R Garbe wrote: > >> It is pretty easy. Use the toolchain as is and copy some glibc based >> .so's for x86_64 to /crap/lib on the stali target as well. > > But it will not be statically linked then, as OP asked for. Building a statically linked toolc

Re: [dev] [stali] Need musl based toolchain on stali installation

2016-10-07 Thread Cág
Anselm R Garbe wrote: It is pretty easy. Use the toolchain as is and copy some glibc based .so's for x86_64 to /crap/lib on the stali target as well. But it will not be statically linked then, as OP asked for.

Re: [dev] [stali] Need musl based toolchain on stali installation

2016-10-07 Thread Anselm R Garbe
Hi Bruno, On 3 October 2016 at 20:30, Bruno Vetter wrote: > > I would like to experiment with stali and install built-from-source > applications on top of the base installation. For this I need a musl based > toolchain not for cross-compiling, but as part of my stali system. Can > someone give

Re: [dev] [stali] Need musl based toolchain on stali installation

2016-10-07 Thread Cág
Bruno Vetter wrote: building several applications like this on a host works fine. But how do I get a statically-linked native toolchain for my target system? The cloned toolchain from git is all dynamic. You will need to build your own toolchain then. I actually don't understand why you need a

AW: [dev] [stali] Need musl based toolchain on stali installation

2016-10-06 Thread Bruno Vetter
: Re: [dev] [stali] Need musl based toolchain on stali installation   Bruno Vetter wrote: > Can someone give me some hints on how to achieve this? Hi, All you have to do is (at least how I've once tried it): 1. Create a directory for your build. 2. cd to it. 3. clone toolchain and src

Re: [dev] [stali] Need musl based toolchain on stali installation

2016-10-03 Thread Cág
Bruno Vetter wrote: Can someone give me some hints on how to achieve this? Hi, All you have to do is (at least how I've once tried it): 1. Create a directory for your build. 2. cd to it. 3. clone toolchain and src from Git. 4. cd src 5. Clone the kernel 6. export STALISRC=/path/to/$builddir/s

[dev] [stali] Need musl based toolchain on stali installation

2016-10-03 Thread Bruno Vetter
Hi all, I would like to experiment with stali and install built-from-source applications on top of the base installation. For this I need a musl based toolchain not for cross-compiling, but as part of my stali system. Can someone give me some hints on how to achieve this? My experience so f

[dev] [stali] updating package source

2016-09-14 Thread Evan Gates
The software stali uses will receive updates. What is the plan for integrating those updates? I noticed the .origin files, but I'm not sure exactly what their use is. For those packages that are available through git, I think it would make sense to have git submodules. We could have a stali branch

[dev] [stali] man pages and troff for stali

2016-09-14 Thread Evan Gates
While compiling rc for stali I noticed that stali is still missing troff. I found some old mails about neatroff but it seams nothing came of it. I now have 9base troff compiling for stali as well. However 9base troff doesn't come with the mdoc macro package so we still can't format any man pages fr

Re: [dev] [stali] make install fails on kbd

2016-04-18 Thread Mitt Green
Anselm R Garbe wrote: Please update and let me know if it works now. I removed the Makefile-dependency here. Only remaining place is sys and ncurses. It installs now successfully.

Re: [dev] [stali] make install fails on kbd

2016-04-18 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 18 April 2016 at 11:33, Mitt Green wrote: > Anselm R Garbe wrote: > >> No, can you provide full logs of your last command, just want to see >> how it looks and where it might fail. > > > Here you are. Thanks, now I understood what caused this for you. Please update and let me know if it works

Re: [dev] [stali] make install fails on kbd

2016-04-18 Thread Mitt Green
Anselm R Garbe wrote: No, can you provide full logs of your last command, just want to see how it looks and where it might fail. Here you are.make[1]: Entering directory '/home/mitt/stalibuild/src/etc' make[1]: Nothing to be done for 'all'. make[1]: Leaving directory '/home/mitt/stalibuild/src

Re: [dev] [stali] make install fails on kbd

2016-04-18 Thread Anselm R Garbe
Hi, On 18 April 2016 at 11:11, Mitt Green wrote: >> I can't reproduce your issue. I renamed src into src2 and performed a >> clean build and make install, no such issue. > > I can't help but it ran into the same thing again. > Let me describe my process then: > 1) mkdir stalibuild in my home > 2)

Re: [dev] [stali] make install fails on kbd

2016-04-18 Thread Mitt Green
Anselm R Garbe wrote: I can't reproduce your issue. I renamed src into src2 and performed a clean build and make install, no such issue. I can't help but it ran into the same thing again. Let me describe my process then: 1) mkdir stalibuild in my home 2) cd stalibuild 3) cloning toolchain and

Re: [dev] [stali] make install fails on kbd

2016-04-18 Thread Mitt Green
Anselm R Garbe wrote: Also make sure you are at least using: http://git.sta.li/src/commit/?id=acbd9df7cbdc6a949c962ca887fb5f8d799c3bfa No, wait, I looked at mine, it has $(ROOT) too. Alright, anyway, better be rebuilding the whole world.

Re: [dev] [stali] make install fails on kbd

2016-04-18 Thread Mitt Green
Anselm R Garbe wrote: [...] Also make sure you are at least using: http://git.sta.li/src/commit/?id=acbd9df7cbdc6a949c962ca887fb5f8d799c3bfa Oh, that's the case. Strange, I pulled the entire tree just yesterday. And also tried replacing /home/anselm/src with $(ROOT) but it skipped the $(ROOT)

Re: [dev] [stali] make install fails on kbd

2016-04-18 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 18 April 2016 at 09:49, Mitt Green wrote: > Anselm R Garbe wrote: > >> So you are talking about src/bin/kbd/Makefile or NOT? > > > Yes, this one. > >> Yes, but why do you run make install in src/bin/kbd? You should run >> make -f stali.mk install > > > Sorry, I read it wrong and ran "make -f st

Re: [dev] [stali] make install fails on kbd

2016-04-18 Thread Mitt Green
Anselm R Garbe wrote: So you are talking about src/bin/kbd/Makefile or NOT? Yes, this one. Yes, but why do you run make install in src/bin/kbd? You should run make -f stali.mk install Sorry, I read it wrong and ran "make -f stali.mk" in src/bin/kbd. So, I ran "make -f stali.mk install" in

Re: [dev] [stali] make install fails on kbd

2016-04-18 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 18 April 2016 at 09:32, Mitt Green wrote: > Anselm R Garbe wrote: >> Which Makefile are you talking about? src/bin/kbd/Makefile should not >> be considered, only stali.mk. > I'm talking about this Makefile, because... So you are talking about src/bin/kbd/Makefile or NOT? > No errors, which is

Re: [dev] [stali] make install fails on kbd

2016-04-18 Thread Mitt Green
Anselm R Garbe wrote: Hi there, Hi, Which Makefile are you talking about? src/bin/kbd/Makefile should not be considered, only stali.mk. I'm talking about this Makefile, because... Can you provide the output of cd src/bin/kbd && make -f stali.mk install please? No errors, which is not s

Re: [dev] [stali] make install fails on kbd

2016-04-17 Thread Anselm R Garbe
Hi there, On 17 April 2016 at 17:10, Mitt Green wrote: > I'm trying to build stali, running "make install" > goes fine except for kbd; it entres src/bin/kbd, > then goes > "CDPATH="${ZSH_VERSION+.}:" && cd . && /bin/bash > /home/anselm/src/bin/kbd/config/missing --run aclocal-1.11 -I m4" > and th

Re: [dev] [stali] make install fails on kbd

2016-04-17 Thread Mitt Green
Marc Collin wrote: Good idea? for i in *; do sed -i 's/anselm/$USER/g' "$i"; done I've tried replacing with "$(ROOT)/../" and "$USER", with the first it simply skips $(ROOT) and starts with /../, with the second one it skips $U and starts with SER; e.g.: ACLOCAL = ${SHELL} /home/$USER/src/bin

Re: [dev] [stali] make install fails on kbd

2016-04-17 Thread Ben Woolley
Double check for rm commands. :) > On Apr 17, 2016, at 11:30 AM, Marc Collin wrote: > > Good idea? > for i in *; do sed -i 's/anselm/$USER/g' "$i"; done > > >> On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 2:12 PM, Mitt Green wrote: >> I also found hardcode references to Anselm's >> home folder in other Makefiles,

Re: [dev] [stali] make install fails on kbd

2016-04-17 Thread Marc Collin
Good idea? for i in *; do sed -i 's/anselm/$USER/g' "$i"; done On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 2:12 PM, Mitt Green wrote: > I also found hardcode references to Anselm's > home folder in other Makefiles, apart from kbd: > curl, parted, gzip, libarchive. > > There is yet no mksh in /bin (install > destina

Re: [dev] [stali] make install fails on kbd

2016-04-17 Thread Mitt Green
I also found hardcode references to Anselm's home folder in other Makefiles, apart from kbd: curl, parted, gzip, libarchive. There is yet no mksh in /bin (install destination).

Re: [dev] [stali] make install fails on kbd

2016-04-17 Thread Mitt Green
Marc Collin wrote: It seems to hardcode the user's home path to /home/anselm and the problem can be you have anther username? http://git.sta.li/src/tree/bin/kbd/Makefile#n146 I have another username (mitt, obviously :) ) and when I saw it, I though that this is from one of stali.mk's but could

Re: [dev] [stali] make install fails on kbd

2016-04-17 Thread Marc Collin
It seems to hardcode the user's home path to /home/anselm and the problem can be you have anther username? http://git.sta.li/src/tree/bin/kbd/Makefile#n146 I also find it weird that it reports ZSH and BASH as those software are really awful and sucks a lot. HTH. On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 12:10 PM, M

[dev] [stali] make install fails on kbd

2016-04-17 Thread Mitt Green
Hey, I'm trying to build stali, running "make install" goes fine except for kbd; it entres src/bin/kbd, then goes "CDPATH="${ZSH_VERSION+.}:" && cd . && /bin/bash /home/anselm/src/bin/kbd/config/missing --run aclocal-1.11 -I m4" and then it certainly fails. It successfully installs other binar

Re: [dev] Stali RC

2015-10-05 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 5 October 2015 at 11:14, Dimitris Papastamos wrote: > On Mon, Oct 05, 2015 at 11:02:13AM +0200, Roberto E. Vargas Caballero wrote: >> > >> > > - am I correct in thinking that we install manual pages, but currently >> > > no 'man' program to read them? >> > >> > I'd propose using the OpenBSD ma

Re: [dev] Stali RC

2015-10-05 Thread Dimitris Papastamos
On Mon, Oct 05, 2015 at 11:02:13AM +0200, Roberto E. Vargas Caballero wrote: > > > > > - am I correct in thinking that we install manual pages, but currently no > > > 'man' program to read them? > > > > I'd propose using the OpenBSD man tools. > > > > I propose to use neatroff, that is a new i

Re: [dev] Stali RC

2015-10-05 Thread Roberto E. Vargas Caballero
> > > - am I correct in thinking that we install manual pages, but currently no > > 'man' program to read them? > > I'd propose using the OpenBSD man tools. > I propose to use neatroff, that is a new implementation from scratch of the full troff toolchain. I know that the main use of troff tod

Re: [dev] Stali RC

2015-10-05 Thread Richard
From: Dimitris Papastamos > > This is a fun distribution - thanks for writing it, R.> It is not ready yet! I know - but it is still fun...

Re: [dev] Stali RC

2015-10-04 Thread Dimitris Papastamos
On Sun, Oct 04, 2015 at 01:00:36PM -0300, Marc Collin wrote: > On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 11:29 PM, Pickfire wrote: > > Is there a package manager for suckless [...] ? > > > > Well maybe you could use apk[1]? > Looks suckless to me. There are no plans to have a package manager.

Re: [dev] Stali RC

2015-10-04 Thread Marc Collin
On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 11:29 PM, Pickfire wrote: > Is there a package manager for suckless [...] ? Well maybe you could use apk[1]? Looks suckless to me. [1] http://git.alpinelinux.org/cgit/apk-tools/tree/

Re: [dev] Stali RC

2015-10-04 Thread Dimitris Papastamos
On Fri, Oct 02, 2015 at 02:21:57PM +, Richard wrote: > Actually, having set my expectations very low, I am finding that it works > surprisingly well. Having played and poked around in the OS for a few hours > this has lead to yet more questions: > > - do we install a pager? I've look in bin

Re: [dev] Stali RC

2015-10-02 Thread Greg Reagle
On 10/02/2015 10:21 AM, Richard wrote: - do we install a pager? I've look in bin for more/less/pg etc. Are there any plans for a pager? I looked in the TODO documents for both sbase and ubase but did not notice any. I am also curious about the pager.

Re: [dev] Stali RC

2015-10-02 Thread Hinnerk van Bruinehsen
On Fri, Oct 02, 2015 at 04:29:09PM +0200, FRIGN wrote: > On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 14:21:57 + (UTC) > Richard wrote: > > Hey Richard, > > > - looking further ahead; has there been any thoughts towards a > > staticallylinked/musl-based X11 server? Is it feasible to simply take > > the xorg sources a

Re: [dev] Stali RC

2015-10-02 Thread FRIGN
On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 14:21:57 + (UTC) Richard wrote: Hey Richard, > - looking further ahead; has there been any thoughts towards a > staticallylinked/musl-based X11 server? Is it feasible to simply take > the xorg sources and compile those with static linking or does that > not work (or would

Re: [dev] Stali RC

2015-10-02 Thread Richard
- Original Message - > From: Dimitris Papastamos > As it stands, there is a lot of work to be done on stali. Do not > expect it to just work. If you want to help, then send some patches > to hackers@ for consideration. Actually, having set my expectations very low, I am finding that i

Re: [dev] Stali RC

2015-09-25 Thread Dimitris Papastamos
On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 08:45:05AM +, Richard wrote: > Ah, great thanks. So I was half right: if you follow the instructions on > > http://sta.li/installation > > > git clone http://git.sta.li/rootfs-x86_64 > > you will end up with no /etc directory. But the directory is still needed in >

Re: [dev] Stali RC

2015-09-25 Thread Anselm R Garbe
Hi Richard, On 25 September 2015 at 10:45, Richard wrote: > Ah, great thanks. So I was half right: if you follow the instructions on > > http://sta.li/installation > > > git clone http://git.sta.li/rootfs-x86_64 > > you will end up with no /etc directory. But the directory is still needed in > t

Re: [dev] Stali RC

2015-09-25 Thread Richard
- From: FRIGN To: dev@suckless.org Cc: Richard Sent: Friday, 25 September 2015, 9:25 Subject: Re: [dev] Stali RC On Fri, 25 Sep 2015 08:14:34 + (UTC) Richard wrote: > So, at the risk of failing another sanity test, why does the /etc > directory not show up on the git tree listing? Is

Re: [dev] Stali RC

2015-09-25 Thread FRIGN
On Fri, 25 Sep 2015 08:14:34 + (UTC) Richard wrote: > So, at the risk of failing another sanity test, why does the /etc > directory not show up on the git tree listing? Is that a git quirk? > http://git.sta.li/rootfs-x86_64/tree/ Check out the src-repo[0], it includes another set of folders

Re: [dev] Stali RC

2015-09-25 Thread Richard
Subject: Re: [dev] Stali RC On Thu, 24 Sep 2015 18:32:53 + (UTC) Richard wrote: Hey Richard, > ... I just wanted a quick sanity check: I'm sorry to tell you, but you haven't passed the test. > - Am I right in assuming that stali does not include a /etc directory (and >

Re: [dev] Stali RC

2015-09-25 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 25 September 2015 at 09:10, Pickfire wrote: > Can I use sta.li on ARM architecture such as Raspberry Pi? ARMv8 (64bit) will be a future target for stali, there is no rootfs-armv8 available yet. Also note, that according to my info Pi is currently limited to armv7 (32 bit) -- which is currently

Re: [dev] Stali RC

2015-09-25 Thread hiro
pickfire, you can clearly not read: Target x86_64 support only (arm64 support might be added later) On 9/25/15, Pickfire wrote: > Can I use sta.li on ARM architecture such as Raspberry Pi? > > -- > _ > < Do what you like, like what you do. > > --

Re: [dev] Stali RC

2015-09-25 Thread Pickfire
Can I use sta.li on ARM architecture such as Raspberry Pi? -- _ < Do what you like, like what you do. > - \ ^__^ \ (oo)\___ (__)\ )\/\ ||w | || ||

Re: [dev] Stali RC

2015-09-24 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 25 September 2015 at 04:29, Pickfire wrote: > Is there a package manager for suckless or do you need to install > everything by source? I explained on http://sta.li in the goals section * "Upgrade/install using git, no package manager needed" Of course this goal is not fully achieved yet, bu

Re: [dev] Stali RC

2015-09-24 Thread hiro
suckless is about feeling the pain of the bad code and the broken make system first hand to drive shitty code off the nerd market.

Re: [dev] Stali RC

2015-09-24 Thread Pickfire
Is there a package manager for suckless or do you need to install everything by source? -- _ < Do what you like, like what you do. > - \ ^__^ \ (oo)\___ (__)\ )\/\ ||w

Re: [dev] Stali RC

2015-09-24 Thread hiro
or not, like me.

Re: [dev] Stali RC

2015-09-24 Thread 7heo
wrote: >Richard wrote: > >Hey Richard, Hello, Richard, > >> ... I just wanted a quick sanity check: > >I'm sorry to tell you, but you haven't passed the test. > First of all, welcome to suckless. You won't need sanity here. It has long been forgotten, at the benefit of feedback straightforwardn

Re: [dev] Stali RC

2015-09-24 Thread FRIGN
On Thu, 24 Sep 2015 18:32:53 + (UTC) Richard wrote: Hey Richard, > ... I just wanted a quick sanity check: I'm sorry to tell you, but you haven't passed the test. > - Am I right in assuming that stali does not include a /etc directory (and > therefore does not include prebuilt rc scripts)

[dev] Stali RC

2015-09-24 Thread Richard
I have stumbled across stali and it looks intriguing. I would like to install it this weekend. I have perused http://git.sta.li/rootfs-x86_64/tree/ and http://sta.li/installation ... I just wanted a quick sanity check: - Am I right in assuming that stali does not include a /etc directory (and

Re: [dev] [stali] What happened to stali?

2014-10-17 Thread Dimitris Papastamos
Applied, thanks Evan!

Re: [dev] [stali] What happened to stali?

2014-10-16 Thread Marc André Tanner
On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 12:10:42PM +0100, Dimitris Papastamos wrote: > On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 12:29:13AM -0500, M Farkas-Dyck wrote: > > I'm not sure, but some in this community are hacking morpheus [1], > > which is much alike. > > > > [1] http://morpheus.2f30.org/ > > The project is currently

Re: [dev] [stali] What happened to stali?

2014-10-16 Thread Evan Gates
Hello, On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 2:16 AM, Dimitris Papastamos wrote: > I kind of like this particular implementation of test(1). Are there any > obvious deficiencies compared to the sbase implementation? I haven't found any but that doesn't mean they aren't there. > I will have a look at it in m

Re: [dev] [stali] What happened to stali?

2014-10-16 Thread Dimitris Papastamos
On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 01:24:26PM -0700, Evan Gates wrote: > After looking at the sbase TODO I threw together test(1). As far as I > can tell it's POSIX compliant. I used the POSIX description[0] to > write it. It exits 0 for true, 1 for false, and 2 for bad input. Let > me know what's good and wh

Re: [dev] [stali] What happened to stali?

2014-10-15 Thread Dimitris Papastamos
On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 10:55:24AM -0700, Kartik Agaram wrote: > I've cloned all the repositories enumerated in > http://morpheus.2f30.org and I could build sbase and ubase. What order > should I build the rest in, to get to mk? You can grab mk from 9base or so.

Re: [dev] [stali] What happened to stali?

2014-10-15 Thread Dimitris Papastamos
On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 10:55:24AM -0700, Kartik Agaram wrote: > I've cloned all the repositories enumerated in > http://morpheus.2f30.org and I could build sbase and ubase. What order > should I build the rest in, to get to mk? Clone morpheus and follow the README. We have a ports tree with a fe

Re: [dev] [stali] What happened to stali?

2014-10-15 Thread Evan Gates
After looking at the sbase TODO I threw together test(1). As far as I can tell it's POSIX compliant. I used the POSIX description[0] to write it. It exits 0 for true, 1 for false, and 2 for bad input. Let me know what's good and what's bad. I'll work on addresing those concerns and getting it into

Re: [dev] [stali] What happened to stali?

2014-10-15 Thread Nick
Quoth Kartik Agaram: > But I don't know how to run ls: > > $ ls > usage: ls [-1adFilrtU] [FILE...] I'd guess you're using a shell that has ls aliased to 'ls --color' or similar.

Re: [dev] [stali] What happened to stali?

2014-10-15 Thread Kartik Agaram
> Your ls is aliased in your shell startup scripts. > Unset it or execute the program directly. Ack, you're right.

Re: [dev] [stali] What happened to stali?

2014-10-15 Thread FRIGN
On Wed, 15 Oct 2014 10:53:50 -0700 Kartik Agaram wrote: > Is this expected? (I can try to debug if not.) This doesn't happen for me. In sbase/, running ./ls works as expected, listing the files in the current directory line-per-line. Cheers FRIGN -- FRIGN

Re: [dev] [stali] What happened to stali?

2014-10-15 Thread Dimitris Papastamos
On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 10:53:50AM -0700, Kartik Agaram wrote: > I just got sbase cloned and built without trouble. Awesome! > > But I don't know how to run ls: > > $ ls > usage: ls [-1adFilrtU] [FILE...] > $ ls . > usage: ls [-1adFilrtU] [FILE...] > $ ls -d . > usage: ls [-1adFilrtU] [FILE...] >

Re: [dev] [stali] What happened to stali?

2014-10-15 Thread Kartik Agaram
I've cloned all the repositories enumerated in http://morpheus.2f30.org and I could build sbase and ubase. What order should I build the rest in, to get to mk?

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