Dear all,
Just wanted to share a preprint describing the generation of a minimalistic
plasmid which got 56% size reduction from elimination of "useless bloat" DNA
code, while actually gaining additional functionality (more restriction enzyme
cloning sites).
https://www.preprints.org/manuscript/20
Dear all,
Do you have any reading suggestions (preferably academic papers, but books
might also work) in alignment with the "suckless philosophy" (or "minimalism").
It does not have to be specifically programming, it could also be engineering
and design in general (art might be a stretch, but if
On Thu, Feb 09, 2017 at 10:17:13AM +, sylvain.bertr...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 09, 2017 at 09:29:08AM +0100, Jens Staal wrote:
> > On Wed, Feb 08, 2017 at 06:37:39PM -0500, stephen Turner wrote:
> > > From a user perspective it has been a treat. I had issues wit
On Wed, Feb 08, 2017 at 06:37:39PM -0500, stephen Turner wrote:
> From a user perspective it has been a treat. I had issues with the GNU
> M4 compiling on a embedded musl and PCC system but this M4 compiled
> quick and clean. The only potential downside i can think of is it may
> not be well mainta
On 2016 M02 26, Fri 09:11:20 CET Mattias Andrée wrote:
> I'm actually using factor. And it is in base systems, so
> I think it should be included, but I will be simplifying
> it.
What about including it in ubase instead?
On torsdag 26 november 2015 kl. 01:52:23 CET Random832 wrote:
> Also, if these are added should they go in libutil or a new "libcompat"?
I also had issues with fmemopen among other things when I ported sbase to the
new 9front ports tree (using APE).
For a lot of stuff I had to resort to using gnu
On Friday 02 October 2015 16.59.57 Christian Neukirchen wrote:
> (Statically linking X11 apps results in massively bloated binaries,
> I can't recommend it.)
Anyone tried a static wayland dwm-like client like velox and its wayland-
ported variants of st and dmenu?
Dear all,
I have just tried to package sbase for Plan9/APE in the new "9front-ports" [1]
project. As expected, there are several things missing in APE needed for
sbase.
Do you have any good suggestions for suckless 3rd party libraries that could
complement the APE libraries for building sbase
On Friday 06 June 2014 10:50:24 Silvan Jegen wrote:
> Hi everyone
>
> I just learned that Alpine Linux[0] has switched to musl libc[1]. The
> following are the most interesting facts about Alpine Linux:
>
> * No GNU tools (using busybox)
> * musl libc (still in Beta though)
> * OpenRC initsystem
On Sunday 09 February 2014 01:22:00 Calvin Morrison wrote:
> I h8 licensing schemes which make me read the text... somebody call
> their lawyer and sue, looks like mit is not 4 me.
have a look at the poetic license
http://www.genaud.net/2005/10/poetic-license/
... its cute while still saying eve
On Sat, 25 Jan 2014 22:59:03 +
sin wrote:
> I am inclined to just keep these tools in sbase. Apparently Haiku
> does not really use major/minor numbers for the devices (they are set
> to 0).
>
> > Other point is to think what is the number of system where makedev
> > is not supported, becau
On Wednesday 25 December 2013 13:36:29 Strake wrote:
> https://github.com/strake/l9fb
>
> Future goals:
> * make a terminal emulator
> * make a tiling window organizer with same interface
> * make the X window system my ex-window system
Very cool!
Would it be possible to hook up the "devwsys" t
On Monday 21 October 2013 14:43:16 Carlos Torres wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 1:15 PM, hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Yeah, tinycore's biggest failure is that it's too difficult to find
> > the right man pages of certain packages.
>
> I knew tinycore wouldn't have docs included, they say s
On 2013-07-02 12:33, David wrote:
Am 02.07.2013 09:46, schrieb Edgaras:
On Tue, Jul 02, 2013 at 08:11:36AM +0200, David wrote:
Am 02.07.2013 07:08, schrieb Edgaras:
I think you should reconsider tk, though you need to install tcl and tk, tk is
quite nice to work with (with exception of some sm
On 2013-06-18 22:04, Thorsten Glaser wrote:
Jens Staal dixit:
I am looking at Alpine at the moment... uclibc/busybox based
That is precisely the thing I was *not* addressing by stating
“company-use” ☺
Don’t get me wrong, I’ve started toying with something musl too,
but for “at work” you
On tis 18 jun 2013 21:38:45, Thorsten Glaser wrote:
Jens Staal dixit:
How does someone use that package on a working Linux distribution?
That depends on how you define "working".
Did nobody fork Arch from before it became poettering’d and UsrMove’d
yet? May call it Hin
On 2013-06-18 16:58, Christoph Lohmann wrote:
Greetings.
On Tue, 18 Jun 2013 16:58:58 +0200 Jens Staal wrote:
I have no idea if anyone is interested, but a large part of sbase built
with the open watcom compiler using its included (rather limited)
c-library... mostly for fun.
https
I have no idea if anyone is interested, but a large part of sbase built
with the open watcom compiler using its included (rather limited)
c-library... mostly for fun.
https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/sbase-ow-git/
On 2013-04-27 21:47, Thorsten Glaser wrote:
Anselm R Garbe dixit:
Can you elaborate on this functionality a bit that mksh provides, but
pdksh doesn't?
Not easily; the last release of pdksh was in 1999, and mksh is
actively developed; even pointing out every single bugfix, for
POSuX compliance
On Thursday 11 April 2013 12.02.42 Hugues Moretto-Viry wrote:
> 2013/4/11 Patrick Haller <201009-suckl...@haller.ws>
>
> > Anyway, pancake's contributing to voidlinux so I'll try void. Any other
> > good rolling release distros?
>
> Didn't know it. I'll give it a try. Thank you.
>
> --
> H.Moret
måndagen den 26 november 2012 11.48.09 skrev Roberto E. Vargas Caballero:
>
> Perl dependency in git is present only in no basic commands. You can remove
> it and the core system will follow working.
does anyone have experience with libgit2 ? It seems to be pure C and only
depend on zlib.
I
söndagen den 18 november 2012 14.04.27 skrev Christian Neukirchen:
> There are probably more sabotage forks than users by now. :) I don't
> know which ones does the symlink-stuff, but I can also tell you about my
> ideas then.
The rofl0r one is the one I consider "upstream" and he releases disk
söndagen den 18 november 2012 07.42.52 skrev Strake:
> One may use stacking bind mounts rather than symlinks. I know no
> decent such fs in Linux kernel space, as aufsn and unionfs seem
> cumbersome, but it ought to not be too difficult in user space, as 9p
> server.
This is indeed a really cool
lördagen den 17 november 2012 14.50.23 skrev Kurt H Maier:
> On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 06:20:03PM +0100, Anselm R Garbe wrote:
> > sta.li
> > --
> > To me archlinux was a good distro until a couple of years ago.
> > Nowadays it seems to be very en vogue and thus has degraded quite
> > significan
torsdagen den 16 augusti 2012 06.59.45 skrev pancake:
> Using mk takes sense as long as init scripts are a dependency based system.
> Please go on. That looks fun
>
> Looks like doing suckless software implies surviving to troll comments.
>
> Your software will be suckless when trolls stop throw
tisdagen den 19 juni 2012 11.11.14 skrev Calvin Morrison:
> All of that, to say - we cannot (and I don't think anyone does)
> pretend that surf's underlying core doesn't suck - glib is a
> nightmare to work with and Qt isn't much better. the whole g-blob is
> terrible, but we wrap it up and pret
2012/6/5 Christian Neukirchen :
> Jens Staal writes:
>
>> At the moment I have some issues with that the binaries refuse to be
>> 100% static
>
> The "musl" branch now properly builds static by default.
> Use bmake CC=musl-gcc when building the musl branch.
Hi
I was playing with packaging Christian's obase for Arch
https://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=56826
and an easy-to-chroot package to complement it
https://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=59735
The idea I had was that one could use this environment as a gradual
experimental environment t
Hi all
I just wondered if anyone has tried to adopt mkmk [1] to 9base and/or
plan9port. In my (rather amateurish) attempts to port various stuff to
plan9 [2], I have found mkmk to be a really great tool to make mkfiles
for various packages that otherwise need autoconf etc...
I just read up on the
Really cool!
And apparently it is actively developed and binaries can be found here:
http://ftp.sunet.se/pub/os/Linux/distributions/bifrost/v7/
I also found it interesting with the talk linked on the page
discussing the "guilty" components making it difficult to build an
all-static system.
f
2011/11/1 Nick :
> Quoth Peter John Hartman:
...
> Task maybe-one-maybe-two: make it play nice with webkit-gtk compiled
> against gtk3. Gtk3 probably sucks less than 2, but regardless, it's
> the future of webkit-gtk. Further into the future, hopefully an EFL
> based webkit port will happen, which
2011/9/25 Ethan Grammatikidis :
> On Sun, 25 Sep 2011 13:07:52 +0200
> Christoph Lohmann <2...@r-36.net> wrote:
...
> There are only two implementations of rc that I know of, and one is
> brain-damaged and best ignored. I've found it a remarkably elegant
> language, although it is possible an even
neat! if someone could come up with a musl-wrapper for this, it could
be a nice self-hosting package :)
(I tried making a musl-tcc AUR, but have not had time to make it
self-hosting yet)
2011/8/4 pancake :
> not as minimal as tcc. but quite clean and simple,.. and much more portable
> (supports s
I for one would be very happy about an alternative chroot
implementation, since that is missing in my base2plan9 and
base2heirloom AUR experiments (right now patching up with Busybox).
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Base2heirloom
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Base2plan9
2011/6/20 pan
To play with, I recommend looking at 9front (extended variant of Plan9)
http://code.google.com/p/plan9front/
I recently made a native install and it works pretty darn good! (still
need to figure out a number of things but that is basically due to
lack of knowledge - I seem to have an issue with wri
2011/5/23 ilf :
> On 05-23 05:37, Jens Staal wrote:
>>
>> For fun, I have been trying to replace GNU with Busybox:
>> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Base2busybox Heirloom:
>> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Base2heirloom Plan9port:
>> https://wiki.a
If you want to replace stuff in a standard distribution with something
else I guess it should have the same features as the thing you are
replacing (except for the redundant and/or un-needed ones)
For fun, I have been trying to replace GNU with
Busybox: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Base2b
> For a web browser I would recommend NetSurf, not to be confused with
> surf (which is a shameful disgrace for the suckless project).
>
Not to re-ignite the (very) volatile feelings on this list lately, but
I just happened to stumble on a *nix port of abaco
(http://lab-fgb.com/abaco/). Consideri
2011/3/30 Anselm R Garbe :
> Personally I don't care at all what RH/F is doing, or what FHS is saying.
>
> In sta.li I tend to do what I think is a sensible approach, ignoring
> all those "standards".
>
> BR,
> -Anselm
any news on its development?
*curious*
another alternative is 9vx
http://swtch.com/9vx/
and then tcere is the 9vx + Tiny Core linux distribution (Tvx)
http://tinycorelinux.com/forum/index.php?topic=6026.0
2011/2/12 Stanley Lieber :
>> I never had a computer that could run plan9 without a couple hundred
>> issues, so I still have
Very cool!
I am looking forward to the progress.
On a related note - if someone knows how to build stuff against
bionic.a, feel free to provide a link with documentation :)
I would like to package various things in AUR against this library to
see what it can do.
2011/1/31 Anselm R Garbe :
> On 3
In the instructions given in the URL below it is described how openssl
is compiled with this bionic:
https://bitbucket.org/jrossi/metasploit/src/7f4bdc5394ca/documentation/posix_meterpreter.txt
I was planning to try to make a -static-bionic variant of this package:
https://aur.archlinux.org/packa
; like jam and should be avoided.
> I volunteer to review it and to bring it in good shape.
>
> -Anselm
>
> On 13 October 2010 14:34, Jens Staal wrote:
>> I have no idea what the jam stuff is but I found this after some googling too
>>
>> https://www.metasploit.co
iel :
> On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 4:50 AM, Jens Staal wrote:
>> http://9fans.net/archive/2009/10/375
>>
>> https://lug.rose-hulman.edu/svn/misc/trunk/mkinit/
>>
>> apparently still with bashisms due to issues with rc (does not mention
>> which) but seems cool
Just found this as well. Perhaps interesting, perhaps not...
http://www.directfb.org/index.php?path=Main/News&entry=2010-10-27-0.dok
2010/10/22 Paul Onyschuk :
> What about EFL (Enlightenment Foundation Libraries) Webkit? It isn't so
> feature rich as Chromium or Webkit-gtk, but it's getting ther
http://9fans.net/archive/2009/10/375
https://lug.rose-hulman.edu/svn/misc/trunk/mkinit/
apparently still with bashisms due to issues with rc (does not mention
which) but seems cool and perhaps something for sta.li?
For those that might be interested in the c++ enbling modifications to
Android NDK I found the URL again
http://www.crystax.net/android/ndk.php
Sort of the wrong list, I know, but it was in the context of Clang and
a hypothetical use in sta.li that I got thinking about it.
2010/11/5 Jens Staal
Well wayland seems pretty cool to me. Good that someone takes the
plunge and tries to implement it.
Another cool OT news report:
LLVM/Clang can compile the linux kernel:
http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/pipermail/cfe-dev/2010-October/011804.html
I saw somewhere an alternative Android NDK with LLVM static
On a related note. Has anyone tried to compile APE on p9p? Would the
APE libc compiled under p9p be possible to use as a POSIX libc on
linux? (I might try compiling APE under p9p tonight when I get home if
nobody has tried this yet)
A second issue is: Does p9p libc get (L)GPL contaminated by the h
In my simple mind it might be easier to modify bionic to become 'a
port of *BSD libc' (adding missing syscalls and whatnot) than to port
it all to Linux from scratch?
2010/10/28 finkler :
> On 10/12/10 07:58, Wolf Tivy wrote:
>>> 2. Demonstrate stand-alone static binaries that have been linked
>>>
omething like this. I'll check it out.
>
> On 13 October 2010 08:29, Jens Staal wrote:
>> Are those issues already solved by
>>
>> http://www.metasploit.com/redmine/attachments/433/get_bionic_working.diff
>>
>> ?
>>
>> 2010/10/13 Corey Thomasso
Are those issues already solved by
http://www.metasploit.com/redmine/attachments/433/get_bionic_working.diff
?
2010/10/13 Corey Thomasson :
> On 12 October 2010 20:58, Wolf Tivy wrote:
>>>I've managed to make it compile a good chunk of the object files,
>>>but not malloc/free so its somewhat wa
There is some kind of bionic.a used in this Metasploit project (POSIX
meterpreter). I am not sure how general purpose it is but apparendly
uclibc could be replaced completely.
http://www.metasploit.com/redmine/issues/2418
2010/10/12 Wolf Tivy :
>> 2. Demonstrate stand-alone static binaries that h
no ofcourse not :) I just got this association in my head and thought
it was so cool so I wanted to share it with someone (hence the "sorry
if this came out as a brainfart" post scriptum)
2010/10/9 Adrian :
> Because the most important thing about a libc is the name...
>
>
Dear list
As far as I have understood (http://suckless.org/project_ideas) and
idea has been to use bionic as static libc in the Sta.li distribution.
However, it seems like this libc is relatively closely attached to the
Android SDK/NDK
(http://codingrelic.geekhold.com/2008/11/six-million-dollar-li
Another, sort of related question: how has it worked out with the
static binaries of 9base etc built with bionic?
I was thinking, perhaps a "static binary repository" could be a good start :)
2010/7/31 Anselm R Garbe :
> Hi Krankkatze,
>
> On 31 July 2010 19:43, Krankkatze wrote:
>> I'm very int
By the way - the Bash dependency seems to be relatively "downstream"
and might be resolved.
I have this funny effect now that I can not log in from the slim DM,
but i can log into the console started from slim (but not start an x
session)
I think this might be solvable :) (found some interesting c
There is already a 9vx is already included in tiny core, so that was
not much to play with :)
I also think that the usage cases of tinycore/9vx and a
plan9port-based "normal" distro are different, but I might be wrong.
As I said at first, though. The whole thing is mostly for fun. It
seems like a
box-based... might make things simpler if the whole GNU stuff has
already been cleaned out once (and since I am on a sidux box, I think I am
more inclined to try to mess with that family...).
2010/7/30 Troels Henriksen
> Kris Maglione writes:
>
> > On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 09:09:08AM +0
Hi all.
While waiting for Sta.li to be finnished, I started playing around with a
custom ubuntu build that uses plan9port as default user interface on as many
levels possible (inspired by some e-mails from Anselm that were lying around
on the web). I am basically a total layman on this and I have
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