Re: Time to branch 1.9

2015-02-20 Thread Julian Foad
I (Julian Foad) wrote: >>>  There are 19 defects currently tagged 1.9.0-consider. [...] None are left in 1.9-consider, but there are now many issues in '1.10-consider' :-) For the record... > #4467 "blame youngest to oldest needs to handle SVN_INVALID_REVNUM" That's fixed. > #4506 "reintegrat

Re: Time to branch 1.9

2015-02-17 Thread Julian Foad
Branko Čibej wrote: > On 17.02.2015 16:11, Julian Foad wrote: >> On 2015-02-16 Branko Čibej wrote: >>> These are defects tagged 1.9.0-consider: http://s.apache.org/Nft >>> I'd appreciate getting some help with these; some are probably already >>> fixed, a few may be release blockers. >> >> There a

Re: Time to branch 1.9

2015-02-17 Thread Branko Čibej
On 17.02.2015 16:11, Julian Foad wrote: > On 2015-02-16 Branko Čibej wrote: >> On 12.02.2015 11:12, Branko Čibej wrote: >>> Looks like we're on track for branching around the beginning of next week. > [...] >>> If there are no further objections, and the pin-externals branch gets >>> merged s

Re: Time to branch 1.9

2015-02-17 Thread Julian Foad
On 2015-02-16 Branko Čibej wrote: > On 12.02.2015 11:12, Branko Čibej wrote: >>  Looks like we're on track for branching around the beginning of next week. [...] >>  If there are no further objections, and the pin-externals branch gets >>  merged soon-ish, I intend to create the 1.9 release branch

RE: svn info --detail [was: Time to branch 1.9]

2015-02-17 Thread Bert Huijben
> -Original Message- > From: Branko Čibej [mailto:br...@wandisco.com] > Sent: dinsdag 17 februari 2015 10:51 > To: dev@subversion.apache.org > Subject: Re: svn info --detail [was: Time to branch 1.9] > > On 17.02.2015 10:29, Julian Foad wrote: > > Ben Reser

Re: svn info --detail [was: Time to branch 1.9]

2015-02-17 Thread Branko Čibej
On 17.02.2015 10:29, Julian Foad wrote: > Ben Reser wrote: >> On 2/16/15 3:57 AM, Branko Čibej wrote: >>> At first I thought I'd just lowercase the untranslated keys that 'svn >>> info' displays, replacing spaces with dashes. But there's a strong case >>> for using the same names as the --xml outpu

Re: svn info --detail [was: Time to branch 1.9]

2015-02-17 Thread Julian Foad
Ben Reser wrote: > On 2/16/15 3:57 AM, Branko Čibej wrote: >> At first I thought I'd just lowercase the untranslated keys that 'svn >> info' displays, replacing spaces with dashes. But there's a strong case >> for using the same names as the --xml output; not because it's easier to >> implement, bu

Re: svn info --detail [was: Time to branch 1.9]

2015-02-16 Thread Ben Reser
On 2/16/15 3:57 AM, Branko Čibej wrote: > At first I thought I'd just lowercase the untranslated keys that 'svn > info' displays, replacing spaces with dashes. But there's a strong case > for using the same names as the --xml output; not because it's easier to > implement, but because it's at least

Re: Time to branch 1.9

2015-02-16 Thread Ben Reser
On 2/15/15 6:29 PM, Branko Čibej wrote: > * 4502 Remove FSFS7 disk format changes > We've had this discussion several times. AIUI Ivan still believes we > should remove log addressing, even though all of the points he > raised have been addressed. I propose we close this issue. I've

Re: svn info --detail [was: Time to branch 1.9]

2015-02-16 Thread Johan Corveleyn
Op 16-feb.-2015 12:57 schreef "Branko Čibej" : > > On 16.02.2015 12:07, Julian Foad wrote: > > Branko Čibej wrote: > >>> * 4556 Replace 'svn youngest' with another UI > >>> Not much discussion here. I propose we do either option 2 ('svnmucc > >>> youngest'), or rip out the subcommand en

RE: Time to branch 1.9

2015-02-16 Thread Bert Huijben
> -Original Message- > From: Branko Čibej [mailto:br...@wandisco.com] > Sent: maandag 16 februari 2015 03:29 > To: Subversion Development > Subject: Re: Time to branch 1.9 > * 4558, 4559, 4560: These are all about pin-externals. They shouldn't > take

Re: svn info --detail [was: Time to branch 1.9]

2015-02-16 Thread Branko Čibej
On 16.02.2015 12:07, Julian Foad wrote: > Branko Čibej wrote: >>> * 4556 Replace 'svn youngest' with another UI >>> Not much discussion here. I propose we do either option 2 ('svnmucc >>> youngest'), or rip out the subcommand entirely since there are lots >>> of ways to the info. >

svn info --detail [was: Time to branch 1.9]

2015-02-16 Thread Julian Foad
Branko Čibej wrote: >>   * 4556 Replace 'svn youngest' with another UI >>     Not much discussion here. I propose we do either option 2 ('svnmucc >>     youngest'), or rip out the subcommand entirely since there are lots >>     of ways to the info. > > I'm going to have a go at an alternative solu

Re: Time to branch 1.9

2015-02-16 Thread Branko Čibej
On 16.02.2015 10:27, Bert Huijben wrote: > >> -Original Message- >> From: Branko Čibej [mailto:br...@wandisco.com] >> Sent: maandag 16 februari 2015 03:14 >> To: 'Subversion Development' >> Subject: Re: Time to branch 1.9 >> >> On 15.

RE: Time to branch 1.9

2015-02-16 Thread Bert Huijben
> -Original Message- > From: Branko Čibej [mailto:br...@wandisco.com] > Sent: maandag 16 februari 2015 03:14 > To: 'Subversion Development' > Subject: Re: Time to branch 1.9 > > On 15.02.2015 14:24, Branko Čibej wrote: > > On 15.02.2015 01:03, Be

RE: Time to branch 1.9

2015-02-16 Thread Bert Huijben
> -Original Message- > From: Branko Čibej [mailto:br...@wandisco.com] > Sent: maandag 16 februari 2015 03:29 > To: Subversion Development > Subject: Re: Time to branch 1.9 > > On 12.02.2015 11:12, Branko Čibej wrote: > > On 16.01.2015 11:06, Branko Čibej wrote

Re: Time to branch 1.9

2015-02-15 Thread Branko Čibej
On 16.02.2015 03:29, Branko Čibej wrote: > * 4556 Replace 'svn youngest' with another UI > Not much discussion here. I propose we do either option 2 ('svnmucc > youngest'), or rip out the subcommand entirely since there are lots > of ways to the info. I'm going to have a go at an alt

Re: Time to branch 1.9

2015-02-15 Thread Branko Čibej
On 12.02.2015 11:12, Branko Čibej wrote: > On 16.01.2015 11:06, Branko Čibej wrote: >> A couple months down the line, and I'd like to make another call for >> creating the 1.9 release branch. AFAICS the x509 branch still needs >> merging if we want it in 1.9 (which I think we do, since IIUC trunk >

Re: Time to branch 1.9

2015-02-15 Thread Branko Čibej
On 15.02.2015 14:24, Branko Čibej wrote: > On 15.02.2015 01:03, Bert Huijben wrote: >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Branko Čibej [mailto:br...@wandisco.com] >>> Sent: donderdag 12 februari 2015 11:13 >>> To: Subversion Development >>> Subje

Re: Time to branch 1.9

2015-02-15 Thread Branko Čibej
On 15.02.2015 01:03, Bert Huijben wrote: > >> -Original Message- >> From: Branko Čibej [mailto:br...@wandisco.com] >> Sent: donderdag 12 februari 2015 11:13 >> To: Subversion Development >> Subject: Re: Time to branch 1.9 >> >> On 16.01.2015 1

RE: Time to branch 1.9

2015-02-15 Thread Bert Huijben
> -Original Message- > From: Branko Čibej [mailto:br...@wandisco.com] > Sent: donderdag 12 februari 2015 11:13 > To: Subversion Development > Subject: Re: Time to branch 1.9 > > On 16.01.2015 11:06, Branko Čibej wrote: > > A couple months down the line, and I&

Re: Time to branch 1.9

2015-02-12 Thread Branko Čibej
On 16.01.2015 11:06, Branko Čibej wrote: > A couple months down the line, and I'd like to make another call for > creating the 1.9 release branch. AFAICS the x509 branch still needs > merging if we want it in 1.9 (which I think we do, since IIUC trunk > currently does not handle all certs correctly

Re: Time to branch 1.9

2015-02-09 Thread Branko Čibej
On 09.02.2015 16:44, Julian Foad wrote: > Branko Čibej wrote: >> All right, it's been three weeks. During this time some massive code >> churn has happened on trunk, and a couple branches (pin-externals and >> reuse-ra-session) are assumed to be merge candidates for this release. >> >> None of the

Re: Time to branch 1.9

2015-02-09 Thread Julian Foad
Branko Čibej wrote: > All right, it's been three weeks. During this time some massive code > churn has happened on trunk, and a couple branches (pin-externals and > reuse-ra-session) are assumed to be merge candidates for this release. > > None of the above is really necessary for a 1.9 release, b

Re: Time to branch 1.9

2015-02-09 Thread Philip Martin
Philip Martin writes: > Branko Čibej writes: > >> The latest last-minute changes introduced a heisencrash in ra-test, and >> made some C tests run via DAV look for global credentials (e.g., the >> keychain on the Mac). I haven't tracked these down yet, but surely we >> can keep trunk more stable

Re: Time to branch 1.9

2015-02-09 Thread Branko Čibej
On 09.02.2015 11:11, Philip Martin wrote: > Branko Čibej writes: > >> The latest last-minute changes introduced a heisencrash in ra-test, and >> made some C tests run via DAV look for global credentials (e.g., the >> keychain on the Mac). I haven't tracked these down yet, but surely we >> can keep

Re: Time to branch 1.9

2015-02-09 Thread Philip Martin
Branko Čibej writes: > The latest last-minute changes introduced a heisencrash in ra-test, and > made some C tests run via DAV look for global credentials (e.g., the > keychain on the Mac). I haven't tracked these down yet, but surely we > can keep trunk more stable than that. Does the ra-test c

Re: Time to branch 1.9

2015-02-08 Thread Branko Čibej
On 16.01.2015 11:06, Branko Čibej wrote: > A couple months down the line, and I'd like to make another call for > creating the 1.9 release branch. AFAICS the x509 branch still needs > merging if we want it in 1.9 (which I think we do, since IIUC trunk > currently does not handle all certs correctly

Re: Time to branch 1.9

2015-01-16 Thread Stefan Fuhrmann
On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 11:06 AM, Branko Čibej wrote: > A couple months down the line, and I'd like to make another call for > creating the 1.9 release branch. AFAICS the x509 branch still needs > merging if we want it in 1.9 (which I think we do, since IIUC trunk > currently does not handle all

Re: Time to branch 1.9

2015-01-16 Thread Julian Foad
Branko Čibej wrote: > A couple months down the line, and I'd like to make another call for > creating the 1.9 release branch. AFAICS the x509 branch still needs > merging if we want it in 1.9 (which I think we do, since IIUC trunk > currently does not handle all certs correctly). > > Anything else

Re: Time to branch 1.9

2015-01-16 Thread Branko Čibej
A couple months down the line, and I'd like to make another call for creating the 1.9 release branch. AFAICS the x509 branch still needs merging if we want it in 1.9 (which I think we do, since IIUC trunk currently does not handle all certs correctly). Anything else? I'd like to propose that we c

Re: Time to branch 1.9

2014-11-17 Thread Greg Stein
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 11:50 AM, Ivan Zhakov wrote: > On 15 November 2014 04:27, Greg Stein wrote: > ... > Second part: vetoes may be applied at any time before a release, on any > > change going into that release. It does matter whether the change was > > applied yesterday, or six months ago.

Re: Time to branch 1.9

2014-11-17 Thread Ivan Zhakov
On 15 November 2014 04:27, Greg Stein wrote: > On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 7:07 AM, Ivan Zhakov wrote: >> >> On 7 November 2014 03:00, Greg Stein wrote: > > ... >> >> > In my mind, we have code. Start the release process. If it gets (3) +1 >> > votes >> > for release, then it goes out the door. Prett

Re: Time to branch 1.9

2014-11-14 Thread Greg Stein
On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 7:07 AM, Ivan Zhakov wrote: > On 7 November 2014 03:00, Greg Stein wrote: ... > > In my mind, we have code. Start the release process. If it gets (3) +1 > votes > > for release, then it goes out the door. Pretty simple. Is it just that > some > > people don't want Featur

Re: Time to branch 1.9

2014-11-07 Thread Stefan Sperling
On Fri, Nov 07, 2014 at 11:18:03PM +0100, Johan Corveleyn wrote: > This long standoff is unfortunate and costly (time consuming), and > it's quite painful for the community. But what really saddens me is to > see that there is no longer a constructive chemistry between the two > of you. +1

Re: Time to branch 1.9

2014-11-07 Thread Johan Corveleyn
On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 7:00 PM, Stefan Fuhrmann wrote: > > > On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 5:49 PM, Ivan Zhakov wrote: >> >> On 7 November 2014 17:57, Stefan Fuhrmann >> wrote: >> > On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 2:07 PM, Ivan Zhakov wrote: >> >> >> >> On 7 November 2014 03:00, Greg Stein wrote: >> >> > Forw

Re: Time to branch 1.9

2014-11-07 Thread Branko Čibej
On 07.11.2014 17:46, Mark Phippard wrote: >> On Nov 7, 2014, at 8:30 AM, Branko Čibej wrote: >> >> On 07.11.2014 16:02, Mark Phippard wrote: On Nov 7, 2014, at 6:46 AM, Branko Čibej wrote: > On 07.11.2014 14:07, Ivan Zhakov wrote: > Actually, I have used my veto on the log addre

Re: Time to branch 1.9

2014-11-07 Thread Stefan Fuhrmann
On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 6:04 PM, Evgeny Kotkov wrote: > Stefan Fuhrmann writes: > > > Let's not repeat the revprop caching debacle. In Berlin this year, you > > told us that you had identified issues with it and decided to disable it > > in VisualSVN. Had you told us before 1.8, we might have fou

Re: Time to branch 1.9

2014-11-07 Thread Stefan Fuhrmann
On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 5:49 PM, Ivan Zhakov wrote: > On 7 November 2014 17:57, Stefan Fuhrmann > wrote: > > On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 2:07 PM, Ivan Zhakov wrote: > >> > >> On 7 November 2014 03:00, Greg Stein wrote: > >> > Forward progress is the goal. To *hold back* change, then you must > veto.

Re: Time to branch 1.9

2014-11-07 Thread Mark Phippard
On Nov 7, 2014, at 6:57 AM, Stefan Fuhrmann wrote: > > > My side of the bargain has been trying to think of unnecessary > restrictions that FSFSv7 might have and then to fix them. It > started with performance in "unmanaged" setups, continued > with support for heterogeneous clusters and curren

Re: Time to branch 1.9

2014-11-07 Thread Evgeny Kotkov
Stefan Fuhrmann writes: > Let's not repeat the revprop caching debacle. In Berlin this year, you > told us that you had identified issues with it and decided to disable it > in VisualSVN. Had you told us before 1.8, we might have found that the > underlying infrastructure is too restrictive. If n

Re: Time to branch 1.9

2014-11-07 Thread Ivan Zhakov
On 7 November 2014 17:57, Stefan Fuhrmann wrote: > On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 2:07 PM, Ivan Zhakov wrote: >> >> On 7 November 2014 03:00, Greg Stein wrote: >> > Forward progress is the goal. To *hold back* change, then you must veto. >> > >> I agree with that goal but not at the cost of possible mas

Re: Time to branch 1.9

2014-11-07 Thread Mark Phippard
> On Nov 7, 2014, at 8:30 AM, Branko Čibej wrote: > > On 07.11.2014 16:02, Mark Phippard wrote: >>> On Nov 7, 2014, at 6:46 AM, Branko Čibej wrote: >>> On 07.11.2014 14:07, Ivan Zhakov wrote: Actually, I have used my veto on the log addressing feature two months ago [1]. >>> How

Re: Time to branch 1.9

2014-11-07 Thread Branko Čibej
On 07.11.2014 16:02, Mark Phippard wrote: >> On Nov 7, 2014, at 6:46 AM, Branko Čibej wrote: >> >>> On 07.11.2014 14:07, Ivan Zhakov wrote: >>> Actually, I have used my veto on the log addressing feature two months >>> ago [1]. >> How many times do how many people have to explain that saying "-1"

Re: Time to branch 1.9

2014-11-07 Thread Mark Phippard
> On Nov 7, 2014, at 6:46 AM, Branko Čibej wrote: > >> On 07.11.2014 14:07, Ivan Zhakov wrote: >> Actually, I have used my veto on the log addressing feature two months >> ago [1]. > > How many times do how many people have to explain that saying "-1" > without substantiating that with technica

Re: Time to branch 1.9

2014-11-07 Thread Stefan Fuhrmann
On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 2:07 PM, Ivan Zhakov wrote: > On 7 November 2014 03:00, Greg Stein wrote: > > Forward progress is the goal. To *hold back* change, then you must veto. > > > I agree with that goal but not at the cost of possible massive data > corruptions in upgraded repositories. "There w

Re: Time to branch 1.9

2014-11-07 Thread Branko Čibej
On 07.11.2014 14:07, Ivan Zhakov wrote: > Actually, I have used my veto on the log addressing feature two months > ago [1]. How many times do how many people have to explain that saying "-1" without substantiating that with technical reasons is not a valid veto? -- Brane

Re: Time to branch 1.9

2014-11-07 Thread Ivan Zhakov
On 7 November 2014 03:00, Greg Stein wrote: > On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 2:07 PM, Ben Reser wrote: >> >> On 11/6/14 8:44 AM, Greg Stein wrote: [...] >> That said, given the ambiguity of our policy situation here I'm not >> inclined to >> try and "fix" any sort of failure on our part to follow such a

Re: Time to branch 1.9

2014-11-06 Thread Greg Stein
On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 2:07 PM, Ben Reser wrote: > On 11/6/14 8:44 AM, Greg Stein wrote: > > That is no "decision" because it didn't occur here on the list. > > It certainly was discussed on this list: > > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/subversion-dev/201306.mbox/%3C51B9C8AB.9090203%40c

Re: Time to branch 1.9

2014-11-06 Thread Ben Reser
On 11/6/14 8:44 AM, Greg Stein wrote: > That is no "decision" because it didn't occur here on the list. It certainly was discussed on this list: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/subversion-dev/201306.mbox/%3C51B9C8AB.9090203%40collab.net%3E A number of us have been operating under the ass

Re: Time to branch 1.9

2014-11-06 Thread Ivan Zhakov
Hi Greg, I'm really happy to see you joined to the log-addressing discussion. > That is no "decision" because it didn't occur here on the list. Personally, I think that most of the new features should be developed incrementally in trunk. But the log addressing feature was already developed in a

Re: Time to branch 1.9

2014-11-06 Thread Greg Stein
On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 8:40 AM, Ivan Zhakov wrote: > On 3 November 2014 18:15, Branko Čibej wrote: > > There was some talk in the past about "voting" to keep log-addressing on > > trunk. To put it bluntly: we don't do that, we've never done that, and I > > don't want to create a precedent that t

Re: Time to branch 1.9

2014-11-05 Thread Branko Čibej
On 06.11.2014 00:03, Daniel Shahaf wrote: > Branko Čibej wrote on Wed, Nov 05, 2014 at 06:32:25 +0100: >> On 04.11.2014 17:58, Branko Čibej wrote: >>> You still have, and always will have, the option to raise a veto. With >>> arguments. About specific problems in the code. I've asked you to do >>>

Re: Time to branch 1.9

2014-11-05 Thread Daniel Shahaf
Branko Čibej wrote on Wed, Nov 05, 2014 at 06:32:25 +0100: > On 04.11.2014 17:58, Branko Čibej wrote: > > You still have, and always will have, the option to raise a veto. With > > arguments. About specific problems in the code. I've asked you to do > > that uncountable times. So now please don't t

Re: Time to branch 1.9

2014-11-04 Thread Branko Čibej
On 04.11.2014 17:58, Branko Čibej wrote: > You still have, and always will have, the option to raise a veto. With > arguments. About specific problems in the code. I've asked you to do > that uncountable times. So now please don't try to hide behind > community decisions and raise that veto already

Re: Time to branch 1.9

2014-11-04 Thread Branko Čibej
On 04.11.2014 15:40, Ivan Zhakov wrote: > On 3 November 2014 18:15, Branko Čibej wrote: >> There was some talk in the past about "voting" to keep log-addressing on >> trunk. To put it bluntly: we don't do that, we've never done that, and I >> don't want to create a precedent that turns our consens

Re: Time to branch 1.9

2014-11-04 Thread Stefan Fuhrmann
On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 3:40 PM, Ivan Zhakov wrote: > On 3 November 2014 18:15, Branko Čibej wrote: > > There was some talk in the past about "voting" to keep log-addressing on > > trunk. To put it bluntly: we don't do that, we've never done that, and I > > don't want to create a precedent that t

Re: Time to branch 1.9

2014-11-04 Thread Ivan Zhakov
On 3 November 2014 18:15, Branko Čibej wrote: > There was some talk in the past about "voting" to keep log-addressing on > trunk. To put it bluntly: we don't do that, we've never done that, and I > don't want to create a precedent that turns our consensus-based process > into a sham. I think we s

Time to branch 1.9

2014-11-03 Thread Branko Čibej
I've been looking at current activity on trunk, and reviewing the latest changes in FSFS. I think it's finally time to bite the bullet and create the 1.9 release branch. AFAIR, there are two outstanding issues: * Review and merge of the X509 branch. * A resolution of the FSFSv7 conundrum. Un