AW: Format bump for 1.8?

2012-07-11 Thread Markus Schaber
Hi, > Von: Johan Corveleyn [mailto:jcor...@gmail.com] > On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 8:07 PM, Hyrum K Wright wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 12:25 PM, Johan Corveleyn wrote: > >> That's true, but one of the problems I'm trying to solve here is > >> users having different clients on their system,

AW: Format bump for 1.8?

2012-07-11 Thread Markus Schaber
Hi, > Von: Bert Huijben [mailto:b...@qqmail.nl] > > From: Johan Corveleyn [mailto:jcor...@gmail.com] > > > > I'd like to continue this discussion a bit more, as there are still > > some things lingering here ... > > > Also, as I said, an auto-upgrade needs at least: > > - To be reversible (need d

Re: Format bump for 1.8?

2012-07-11 Thread Hyrum K Wright
On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 3:19 PM, Johan Corveleyn wrote: > On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 8:07 PM, Hyrum K Wright wrote: >> On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 12:25 PM, Johan Corveleyn wrote: >>> On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 7:14 PM, Hyrum K Wright >>> wrote: On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Johan Corveleyn >

Re: Incorrect LastChangedRev in working copy after committing directory move + modified file in subdir

2012-07-11 Thread Johan Corveleyn
On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 2:26 PM, Johan Corveleyn wrote: > On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 2:11 PM, Vincent Lefevre > wrote: >> On 2012-07-04 13:58:50 +0200, Johan Corveleyn wrote: >>> > The problem now is that the URL + the LastChangedRev together can >>> > no longer identify the file, because the LastCha

Re: Format bump for 1.8?

2012-07-11 Thread Johan Corveleyn
On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 8:07 PM, Hyrum K Wright wrote: > On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 12:25 PM, Johan Corveleyn wrote: >> On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 7:14 PM, Hyrum K Wright >> wrote: >>> On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Johan Corveleyn wrote: ... For instance, we could simply package two se

Re: Measured: btrfs COW and sqlite exclusive locking

2012-07-11 Thread Mattias Engdegård
10 jul 2012 kl. 22.38 skrev Peter Samuelson: Whatever it is in the data path that makes it slower, it probably is not a fair comparison. Even though we normally don't want to do our own fdatasync(), it is fair to consider the additional I/O load that is generated by Subversion operations. Th

Re: Format bump for 1.8?

2012-07-11 Thread Hyrum K Wright
On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 12:25 PM, Johan Corveleyn wrote: > On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 7:14 PM, Hyrum K Wright wrote: >> On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Johan Corveleyn wrote: >>> ... >>> For instance, we could simply package two set of binaries/libraries in >>> one package (the 1.8.0 version toge

Re: Format bump for 1.8?

2012-07-11 Thread Johan Corveleyn
On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 7:14 PM, Hyrum K Wright wrote: > On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Johan Corveleyn wrote: >> ... >> For instance, we could simply package two set of binaries/libraries in >> one package (the 1.8.0 version together with 1.7.x (taken from the >> corresponding tag)), and impl

Re: Format bump for 1.8?

2012-07-11 Thread Hyrum K Wright
On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Johan Corveleyn wrote: > ... > For instance, we could simply package two set of binaries/libraries in > one package (the 1.8.0 version together with 1.7.x (taken from the > corresponding tag)), and implement a main wrapper that delegates > everything to the approp

Re: Format bump for 1.8?

2012-07-11 Thread Johan Corveleyn
On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 5:29 PM, Mark Phippard wrote: > On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 8:21 AM, Johan Corveleyn wrote: >> >> On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 4:23 PM, C. Michael Pilato >> wrote: >> ... >> > That said, I'm not really in favor of us maintaining multiple codepaths >> > (based on WC version) in the

Re: Subtree mergeinfo -- what I learnt at the Hackathon

2012-07-11 Thread Julian Foad
C. Michael Pilato wrote: > On 07/11/2012 09:12 AM, Branko Čibej wrote: >> That is correct. Essentially, not only does the server have to know >> about and correctly record renames; the rename operations in the update >> (or merge) editor drive need to happen in the correct order so that they >>

Re: Format bump for 1.8?

2012-07-11 Thread Mark Phippard
On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 8:21 AM, Johan Corveleyn wrote: > On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 4:23 PM, C. Michael Pilato > wrote: > ... > > That said, I'm not really in favor of us maintaining multiple codepaths > > (based on WC version) in the client. I just don't see the cost > justifying > > the benefit

Re: Format bump for 1.8?

2012-07-11 Thread Johan Corveleyn
On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 4:23 PM, C. Michael Pilato wrote: ... > That said, I'm not really in favor of us maintaining multiple codepaths > (based on WC version) in the client. I just don't see the cost justifying > the benefit. I mean, it makes sense to do so in the repositories as we do > today,

Re: Format bump for 1.8?

2012-07-11 Thread Johan Corveleyn
On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Bert Huijben wrote: > > >> -Original Message- >> From: Johan Corveleyn [mailto:jcor...@gmail.com] >> Sent: woensdag 11 juli 2012 15:51 >> To: Greg Stein >> Cc: dev@subversion.apache.org >> Subject: Re: Format bump for 1.8? >> >> I'd like to continue this di

RE: Format bump for 1.8?

2012-07-11 Thread Bert Huijben
> -Original Message- > From: C. Michael Pilato [mailto:cmpil...@collab.net] > Sent: woensdag 11 juli 2012 16:39 > To: Bert Huijben > Cc: 'Hyrum K Wright'; 'Johan Corveleyn'; 'Greg Stein'; > dev@subversion.apache.org > Subject: Re: Format bump for 1.8? > > On 07/11/2012 10:37 AM, Bert Hui

RE: Format bump for 1.8?

2012-07-11 Thread Bert Huijben
> -Original Message- > From: Johan Corveleyn [mailto:jcor...@gmail.com] > Sent: woensdag 11 juli 2012 15:51 > To: Greg Stein > Cc: dev@subversion.apache.org > Subject: Re: Format bump for 1.8? > > I'd like to continue this discussion a bit more, as there are still > some things lingering

Re: Format bump for 1.8?

2012-07-11 Thread C. Michael Pilato
On 07/11/2012 10:37 AM, Bert Huijben wrote: > Are there any other changes waiting for a format bump right now? I can't recall now: did the new MD5 index into the pristines require a format bump? -- C. Michael Pilato CollabNet <> www.collab.net <> Enterprise Cloud Development signa

RE: Format bump for 1.8?

2012-07-11 Thread Bert Huijben
> -Original Message- > From: Hyrum K Wright [mailto:hy...@hyrumwright.org] > Sent: woensdag 11 juli 2012 16:27 > To: C. Michael Pilato > Cc: Johan Corveleyn; Greg Stein; dev@subversion.apache.org > Subject: Re: Format bump for 1.8? > > I agree with Mike on all of the above. > > > I actu

Re: Format bump for 1.8?

2012-07-11 Thread Mark Phippard
On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 7:23 AM, C. Michael Pilato wrote: > I actually feel like the 1.7 situation was the best we've had to date: > restrictive WC format client support, an explicit upgrade step, minimal > surprises. > Agreed. I think the only problem with the 1.7 upgrade was that it was the f

Re: Format bump for 1.8?

2012-07-11 Thread Hyrum K Wright
On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 9:23 AM, C. Michael Pilato wrote: > On 07/11/2012 09:50 AM, Johan Corveleyn wrote: >> Yes, I agree we'd have to make it clear in our docs that feature X >> depends on working copy format Y. That's an additional effort, yes. >> But for the book or the FAQ it's not a lot diff

Re: Format bump for 1.8?

2012-07-11 Thread C. Michael Pilato
On 07/11/2012 09:50 AM, Johan Corveleyn wrote: > Yes, I agree we'd have to make it clear in our docs that feature X > depends on working copy format Y. That's an additional effort, yes. > But for the book or the FAQ it's not a lot different from phrases > where they now say: "If you've got Subversi

Re: Subtree mergeinfo -- what I learnt at the Hackathon

2012-07-11 Thread C. Michael Pilato
On 07/11/2012 09:12 AM, Branko Čibej wrote: > That is correct. Essentially, not only does the server have to know > about and correctly record renames; the rename operations in the update > (or merge) editor drive need to happen in the correct order so that they > can be reflected in the working co

Re: Format bump for 1.8?

2012-07-11 Thread Johan Corveleyn
I'd like to continue this discussion a bit more, as there are still some things lingering here ... On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 1:32 AM, Greg Stein wrote: > On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 7:19 PM, Johan Corveleyn wrote: >> On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:51 AM, Stefan Sperling wrote: >>> On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at

Re: modify-file within an added tree (r1356317) ; possibly rep-cache.db -related

2012-07-11 Thread Daniel Shahaf
(I'll answer in more detail later, just quick points for now) Robert Muir wrote on Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 08:24:55 -0400: > On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 4:43 AM, Daniel Shahaf > wrote: > > Robert: > > > > How did you commit r1356317? (the import of the api-4_0_0_ALPHA docs to > > the CMS) Did you get

Re: modify-file within an added tree (r1356317) ; possibly rep-cache.db -related

2012-07-11 Thread Daniel Shahaf
Johan Corveleyn wrote on Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 21:54:39 +0200: > On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 2:43 PM, Robert Muir wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 2:17 AM, Trent Nelson wrote: > >> > >> I've also never come across this in the wild. We should definitely ping > >> `rmuir` to find out how he committed

Re: Subtree mergeinfo -- what I learnt at the Hackathon

2012-07-11 Thread Paul Burba
On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 7:44 AM, Julian Foad wrote: > Branko Čibej wrote: >> On 10.07.2012 23:40, Julian Foad wrote: >>> I think the essence of this line of thought is: > >>> >>> We set up all of the possible mergeinfo scenarios, and we see what 'merge' >>> does, and we see what 1.7 'merge --rein

Re: Subtree mergeinfo -- what I learnt at the Hackathon

2012-07-11 Thread Branko Čibej
On 11.07.2012 13:43, Johan Corveleyn wrote: > On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 3:51 PM, Julian Foad > wrote: > ... >> I just want to say: I'm not at all demanding we break backward >> compatibility. Sorry if it sounded like it. I'm just saying that we're >> proposing to change the behaviour of the plain

Re: Subtree mergeinfo -- what I learnt at the Hackathon

2012-07-11 Thread Johan Corveleyn
On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 3:51 PM, Julian Foad wrote: ... > I just want to say: I'm not at all demanding we break backward > compatibility. Sorry if it sounded like it. I'm just saying that we're > proposing to change the behaviour of the plain merge command, and in doing > that we need to work ou

Re: Subtree mergeinfo -- what I learnt at the Hackathon

2012-07-11 Thread Branko Čibej
On 11.07.2012 12:44, Julian Foad wrote: > Branko Čibej wrote: >> Am I correct in assuming that most of this discussion is a consequence >> of the current implementation of mergeinfo inheritance? I.e., that there >> are a certain number of hoops one needs to jump through in order to >> determine whi

Re: Subtree mergeinfo -- what I learnt at the Hackathon

2012-07-11 Thread Julian Foad
Johan Corveleyn wrote: > On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 6:19 AM, Branko Čibej wrote: >> Am I correct in assuming that most of this discussion is a consequence >> of the current implementation of mergeinfo inheritance? I.e., that there >> are a certain number of hoops one needs to jump through in order

Re: Subtree mergeinfo -- what I learnt at the Hackathon

2012-07-11 Thread Julian Foad
Branko Čibej wrote: > On 10.07.2012 23:40, Julian Foad wrote: >> I think the essence of this line of thought is: >> >> We set up all of the possible mergeinfo scenarios, and we see what 'merge' >> does, and we see what 1.7 'merge --reintegrate' does, and we debate what >> cases are 'supported' v

Re: Subtree mergeinfo -- what I learnt at the Hackathon

2012-07-11 Thread Johan Corveleyn
On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 6:19 AM, Branko Čibej wrote: > On 10.07.2012 23:40, Julian Foad wrote: >> I think the essence of this line of thought is: >> >> We set up all of the possible mergeinfo scenarios, and we see what 'merge' >> does, and we see what 1.7 'merge --reintegrate' does, and we debate