Re: User Email Account

2019-12-31 Thread Adam Feuer
I'm a relatively new NuttX user– just joined as the Apache incubator started. The amount of emails was a lot, but once I understood what's happening and why, it was relatively easy to get what I needed. I can pick out the user/help emails from the robot accounts and the Apache Incubator discussions

RE: User Email Account

2019-12-31 Thread David Sidrane
ell thought out options - they will bail! David -Original Message- From: Justin Mclean [mailto:jus...@classsoftware.com] Sent: Monday, December 30, 2019 4:23 PM To: dev@nuttx.apache.org Subject: Re: User Email Account Hi, I think we will just let the gitbox forwarded emails to go to ano

RE: User Email Account

2019-12-31 Thread David Sidrane
+1 -Original Message- From: 张铎(Duo Zhang) [mailto:palomino...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, December 30, 2019 10:49 PM To: dev@nuttx.apache.org Subject: Re: User Email Account But I think posting so many 'hard to read' emails to the mailing list will hurt user experience and caus

Re: User Email Account

2019-12-30 Thread Duo Zhang
But I think posting so many 'hard to read' emails to the mailing list will hurt user experience and cause users to leave... Actually for a committer, or a long term contributor who is familiar with the community, he/she can just use a filter to filter these emails out, this is what I have done for

Re: User Email Account

2019-12-30 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, I think we will just let the gitbox forwarded emails to go to another > mailing list, which we can see on GitHub? No information lost. > Which assumes you use github and not every one does. New users may not, again try to put yourself in a user shoes not a committer on the project. What's con

Re: User Email Account

2019-12-30 Thread Duo Zhang
Hi, Justin I think we will just let the gitbox forwarded emails to go to another mailing list, which we can see on GitHub? No information lost. And the problem is, actually we are answering the questions on GitHub but then the answer is sent to this mailing list again with a hard to read format..

Re: User Email Account

2019-12-30 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, > The discussion has shifted more towards redirecting gitbox Which splits the community. How many people will subscribe to that list? Will user get answers to their questions if less (or no) people see them? > We are just concerned that this may cause a lot of noise in dev@ So why decide i

Re: User Email Account

2019-12-30 Thread Abdelatif Guettouche
Hi Justin, The discussion has shifted more towards redirecting gitbox notifications to their own mailing list. Something similar to commit@ We are just concerned that this may cause a lot of noise in dev@ On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 9:21 PM Justin Mclean wrote: > > Hi, > > Just an observation. You s

Re: User Email Account

2019-12-30 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, Just an observation. You seem to making decisions based and what you think will happen rather than what actually will happening and ignoring advice given. While these things can be corrected, splitting the community so early is not recommended. Did anyone read the links to the conversations

Re: User Email Account

2019-12-30 Thread Xiang Xiao
> >> On Thu, Dec 26, 2019 at 8:19 PM spudaneco wrote: > > >> > > > >> > I may grumble a bit bur I always follow Justin's advice.I do think > > that > > >> > NuttX is diferent from other new podlings because began with a huge > >

Re: User Email Account

2019-12-27 Thread Alin Jerpelea
: > >> > > >> > I may grumble a bit bur I always follow Justin's advice.I do think > that > >> > NuttX is diferent from other new podlings because began with a huge > >> > user > >> > base and has a few different needs on day 1 as a

Re: User Email Account

2019-12-27 Thread Alan Carvalho de Assis
elieve that finding new committers will be a problem.Sent from Samsung >> > tablet. >> > Original message From: Adam Feuer >> > Date: >> > 12/26/19 1:23 AM (GMT-06:00) To: dev@nuttx.apache.org Subject: Re: >> > User >> > Email Account I

Re: User Email Account

2019-12-27 Thread Xiang Xiao
new committers will be a problem.Sent from Samsung > > > tablet. > > > Original message From: Adam Feuer Date: > > > 12/26/19 1:23 AM (GMT-06:00) To: dev@nuttx.apache.org Subject: Re: User > > > Email Account I think what Justin is saying

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2019-12-27 Thread Abdelatif Guettouche
> > believe that finding new committers will be a problem.Sent from Samsung > > tablet. > > Original message From: Adam Feuer Date: > > 12/26/19 1:23 AM (GMT-06:00) To: dev@nuttx.apache.org Subject: Re: User > > Email Account I think what Justin is s

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2019-12-26 Thread Xiang Xiao
ent from Samsung > tablet. > Original message From: Adam Feuer Date: > 12/26/19 1:23 AM (GMT-06:00) To: dev@nuttx.apache.org Subject: Re: User > Email Account I think what Justin is saying is that it's going to seem like > uncomfortablechaos for a bit, but will even

Re: User Email Account

2019-12-26 Thread spudaneco
om Samsung tablet. Original message From: Adam Feuer Date: 12/26/19 1:23 AM (GMT-06:00) To: dev@nuttx.apache.org Subject: Re: User Email Account I think what Justin is saying is that it's going to seem like uncomfortablechaos for a bit, but will eventually settle dow

Re: User Email Account

2019-12-25 Thread Adam Feuer
I think what Justin is saying is that it's going to seem like uncomfortable chaos for a bit, but will eventually settle down into a better state. >From what I know about well-functioning teams, that seems right. Form, storm, norm, perform.

Re: User Email Account

2019-12-25 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, Some previous discussions for you consideration: https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/a1811e65e31dbd551b2da7429a7617359523cbc5c969827c9a908a6a%40%3Cgeneral.incubator.apache.org%3E https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/e7be60b4fa3086aaa30eb2b09ec990d807bd8cc03256829fe6651276%401283929842%40%3Cge

Re: User Email Account

2019-12-25 Thread Adam Feuer
I'm ok with the way it is right now– once NuttX graduates from incubator status we can make changes if needed. I understand Justin's points about the utility of keeping the lists all in one for now. cheers adam On Wed, Dec 25, 2019 at 3:54 PM Gregory Nutt wrote: > > > +1 > > > > especially for

Re: User Email Account

2019-12-25 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, Most of those are not current incubating projects. Some of them did not become to level projects. Just about all did not start with user lists. Creating a seperate user list this early in previous incubating projects has slowed or hindered their community growth. You want users involved so tha

Re: User Email Account

2019-12-25 Thread Gregory Nutt
On 12/25/2019 6:22 PM, Gregory Nutt wrote: On 12/25/2019 5:58 PM, Justin Mclean wrote: Hi, I think the idea has been nix'ed by Justin.  So I am not going to pursue this.  Others may want to buck the system, but I have already caused enough problems. How so? We already have a seperate comm...@

Re: User Email Account

2019-12-25 Thread Gregory Nutt
Basic we are making the decision to screw the end user in favor of rules and process.  I concede that and will not bring it up again. It is not just this.  We are advocating other things that effect the end-user and the usability of NuttX.  It is sad, because NuttX has always been a user-ori

Re: User Email Account

2019-12-25 Thread Gregory Nutt
On 12/25/2019 5:58 PM, Justin Mclean wrote: Hi, I think the idea has been nix'ed by Justin. So I am not going to pursue this. Others may want to buck the system, but I have already caused enough problems. How so? We already have a seperate comm...@nuttx.apache.org list which is working fin

Re: User Email Account

2019-12-25 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, > I think the idea has been nix'ed by Justin. So I am not going to pursue > this. Others may want to buck the system, but I have already caused enough > problems. How so? We already have a seperate comm...@nuttx.apache.org list which is working fine from what I can see. Thanks, Justin

Re: User Email Account

2019-12-25 Thread Gregory Nutt
+1 especially for the commits and notifications, so they can be filtered. I'm ok with separate lists for commits and notifications, I just want them to be separate from the lists meant for humans :) I think the idea has been nix'ed by Justin.  So I am not going to pursue this.  Others may w

Re: User Email Account

2019-12-25 Thread Adam Feuer
om notifications@ > > > > I made similar suggestions but it appears flood has swept away the key > > points. > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Nathan Hartman [mailto:hartman.nat...@gmail.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2019 7:16

Re: User Email Account

2019-12-25 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, The user list is usually only created once a project graduates, but sometimes it is before if there too much noise. Some reasons for not creating a user account so early: - User questions tend to be ignored if they are on a seperate list - Users don’t participate in other activities so you m

Re: User Email Account

2019-12-25 Thread Alin Jerpelea
s@ > > I made similar suggestions but it appears flood has swept away the key > points. > > > -Original Message- > From: Nathan Hartman [mailto:hartman.nat...@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2019 7:16 AM > To: dev@nuttx.apache.org > Subject: Re: Use

RE: User Email Account

2019-12-25 Thread David Sidrane
man [mailto:hartman.nat...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2019 7:16 AM To: dev@nuttx.apache.org Subject: Re: User Email Account On Wed, Dec 25, 2019 at 9:34 AM Gregory Nutt wrote: > > There have been quite a few NuttX users who have been put of by the > volume and content of em

Re: User Email Account

2019-12-25 Thread Gregory Nutt
(By the way, I expect that once the dust settles, we have consensus on a workflow, and we "find our groove," the volume of organizational emails should drop substantially and most emails on dev will center around technical discussions once again. But it might take a while...) I expect it to d

Re: User Email Account

2019-12-25 Thread Nathan Hartman
On Wed, Dec 25, 2019 at 9:34 AM Gregory Nutt wrote: > > There have been quite a few NuttX users who have been put of by the > volume and content of emails on this list. December is not quite over > and there have been close to 850 emails so far this month. And the > majority of the community is

Re: User Email Account

2019-12-25 Thread Gregory Nutt
Definitely a good idea. I believe David also suggested that gitbox messages will be redirected to their own pr@ mailing list. There is just too much traffic in dev@ I tried to create the email account at https://selfserve.apache.org/, but it says I have can't do that because I am not a PMC

Re: User Email Account

2019-12-25 Thread Abdelatif Guettouche
Definitely a good idea. I believe David also suggested that gitbox messages will be redirected to their own pr@ mailing list. There is just too much traffic in dev@ On Wed, Dec 25, 2019 at 2:38 PM 张铎(Duo Zhang) wrote: > > +1 on a user@nuttx mailing list. > > Gregory Nutt 于2019年12月25日周三 下午10:34写

Re: User Email Account

2019-12-25 Thread Duo Zhang
+1 on a user@nuttx mailing list. Gregory Nutt 于2019年12月25日周三 下午10:34写道: > There have been quite a few NuttX users who have been put of by the > volume and content of emails on this list. December is not quite over > and there have been close to 850 emails so far this month. And the > majority

User Email Account

2019-12-25 Thread Gregory Nutt
There have been quite a few NuttX users who have been put of by the volume and content of emails on this list.  December is not quite over and there have been close to 850 emails so far this month.  And the majority of the community is only interested is discussion technical issues and do not e