Re: [PROPOSAL] Swiz Framework Donation to Apache Flex

2013-05-28 Thread Dave Fisher
On May 28, 2013, at 10:25 AM, Greg Reddin wrote: > On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 11:18 AM, Alex Harui wrote: > >> >> Greg, do you think donations like these need to have a goal of being >> integrated with Apache Flex or becoming its own project? Personally, I'd >> be ok with Apache Flex being a war

Re: [PROPOSAL] Swiz Framework Donation to Apache Flex

2013-05-28 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, I don't see any issue with it living in it own repo under flex (like utilities or flexunit). I don't think anyone is suggesting we bundle it up with the Flex SDK release so you woudl still be free to choose any framework or none if you want. Thanks, Justin

Re: Re: [PROPOSAL] Swiz Framework Donation to Apache Flex

2013-05-28 Thread Carlos Rovira
Om is pointing my main concern with Swiz donation. The main point here is that Swiz 2.0.0 Beta has many good and beautiful ideas about AOP that are very new to web client technologies. Something that people are using from long time in java could be first citizen in Flex making an huge difference. t

RE: Re: [PROPOSAL] Swiz Framework Donation to Apache Flex

2013-05-28 Thread carlos.velasco.blanco
I do not agree to you. There are a lot of ways to approach an application development, some may be of your liking others will not be. But there is no need to force one of them as the Flex sdk one. I would rather prefer to maintain all those as separate libraries for anyone to choose the one he

Re: [PROPOSAL] Swiz Framework Donation to Apache Flex

2013-05-28 Thread Erik de Bruin
+1 on the JIRA on another list, do we need a vote on that, or can we just ask INFRA for it? Maybe this discussion should be in a separate thread, however... EdB On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 7:57 PM, Nicholas Kwiatkowski wrote: > I would prefer JIRA activity to be on another list. I've heard from

Re: [PROPOSAL] Swiz Framework Donation to Apache Flex

2013-05-28 Thread Nicholas Kwiatkowski
I would prefer JIRA activity to be on another list. I've heard from quite a few people in my User Group that they dropped off dev@ people of the noise of JIRA. I think those of us who want to know what is committed will subscribe to those (plus, it makes filtering those messages into a separate

Re: [PROPOSAL] Swiz Framework Donation to Apache Flex

2013-05-28 Thread Alex Harui
On 5/28/13 10:25 AM, "Greg Reddin" wrote: >On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 11:18 AM, Alex Harui wrote: > >> >> Greg, do you think donations like these need to have a goal of being >> integrated with Apache Flex or becoming its own project? Personally, >>I'd >> be ok with Apache Flex being a warehouse

Re: [PROPOSAL] Swiz Framework Donation to Apache Flex

2013-05-28 Thread Jeffry Houser
On 5/28/2013 11:33 AM, dude wrote: Good luck, but I'd rather see Parsley integrated into Apache Flex. I would not like to see either integrated into Apache Flex. However, I have no qualms about it being donated and co-existing along side Apache Flex. -- Jeffry Houser Technical Entrepreneu

Re: [PROPOSAL] Swiz Framework Donation to Apache Flex

2013-05-28 Thread OmPrakash Muppirala
I like the donation of the Swiz framework. I use both swiz(for work) and parsley(personal projects) and I am ambivalent at this point. What I would really like to see the best part of these frameworks (and maeby others like spring-actionscript, robotlegs, etc.) integrated into Flex. I am talking

Re: [PROPOSAL] Swiz Framework Donation to Apache Flex

2013-05-28 Thread Erik de Bruin
Greg, I see why you might be worried about future additional projects, but the sub-projects you mention (Falcon, SDK, FlexJS) are very much part of one and the same project. Other sub-projects are purely for supporting the community and various workflows (Installer, Maven) and are "too small" to m

Re: [PROPOSAL] Swiz Framework Donation to Apache Flex

2013-05-28 Thread Greg Reddin
On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 11:18 AM, Alex Harui wrote: > > Greg, do you think donations like these need to have a goal of being > integrated with Apache Flex or becoming its own project? Personally, I'd > be ok with Apache Flex being a warehouse of all kinds of Flex-related code > even if there is

Re: [PROPOSAL] Swiz Framework Donation to Apache Flex

2013-05-28 Thread Erik de Bruin
I like the idea of a vote. I don't think the community is divided about 'having' Swiz, it seems the division is more 'what to do with it'. Please let the VOTE be clear about this. EdB On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 6:49 PM, Carlos Rovira wrote: > I think this would require a vote thread since it seems

Re: [PROPOSAL] Swiz Framework Donation to Apache Flex

2013-05-28 Thread aYo ~
I agree On 28 May 2013 17:28, "dude" wrote: > None of these frameworks should be integrated into Apache Flex, I guess > everyone agrees with that. > > FYI: Parsley has been abandoned by its creator as well and there is no > further development atm (afaik). It is licenced under Apache License 2.0

Re: [PROPOSAL] Swiz Framework Donation to Apache Flex

2013-05-28 Thread Carlos Rovira
I think this would require a vote thread since it seems to have community opinion divided. I'll give a breath for some hours to open a VOTE thread if you all are ok with that. 2013/5/28 dude > None of these frameworks should be integrated into Apache Flex, I guess > everyone agrees with that.

Re: [PROPOSAL] Swiz Framework Donation to Apache Flex

2013-05-28 Thread dude
None of these frameworks should be integrated into Apache Flex, I guess everyone agrees with that. FYI: Parsley has been abandoned by its creator as well and there is no further development atm (afaik). It is licenced under Apache License 2.0 and available here https://github.com/spicefactory Am

Re: [PROPOSAL] Swiz Framework Donation to Apache Flex

2013-05-28 Thread Carlos Velasco
Top level application flex frameworks should be incubated at Apache as independent projects to Apache FLEX to avoid missunderstandings and be politically correct. 2013/5/28 Avi Kessner > I don't use swiz but it seems silly to reject a donation because of a fear > of what might happen. It's eas

Re: [PROPOSAL] Swiz Framework Donation to Apache Flex

2013-05-28 Thread Alex Harui
On 5/28/13 8:39 AM, "Greg Reddin" wrote: >On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 10:37 AM, Roland Zwaga >wrote: > >> On 28 May 2013 17:33, dude wrote: >> >> > Good luck, but I'd rather see Parsley integrated into Apache Flex. >> > >> > >> >> Personally, the above response shows exactly the reason why I think

Re: [PROPOSAL] Swiz Framework Donation to Apache Flex

2013-05-28 Thread Avi Kessner
I don't use swiz but it seems silly to reject a donation because of a fear of what might happen. It's easy enough to keep it separate, and if it's not supported anywhere projects using it will likely ditch the flex framework completely On 28 May 2013 18:49, "Carlos Velasco" wrote: > Adding a to

Re: [PROPOSAL] Swiz Framework Donation to Apache Flex

2013-05-28 Thread Carlos Velasco
Adding a top level applicaction framework to the APACHE FLEX project suitcase will somehow set is as the "facto standard" accepted framework to build applications using the FLEX SDK, or at least will create that understanding between developers. So I think top level application frameworks must not

Re: [PROPOSAL] Swiz Framework Donation to Apache Flex

2013-05-28 Thread Carlos Rovira
I don't know the actual state of RobotLegs, Parsley or others... Swiz is without maintenance and needs attention and 2.0 could bring a great improvment not reached for any other framework. This doesn't mean any base sdk integration and dependency. We could make the same with other projects that nee

Re: [PROPOSAL] Swiz Framework Donation to Apache Flex

2013-05-28 Thread Carlos Rovira
Hi Greg, other people behind the project are Ben and Brian (maybe more other contributions), but all files are behind Apache License 2.0 and seems there's no authors specifications so maybe they already agreed with the Apache License 2.0, but I'll ask them on the swiz list to get it clear 2013/5/

Re: [PROPOSAL] Swiz Framework Donation to Apache Flex

2013-05-28 Thread Greg Reddin
On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 10:37 AM, Roland Zwaga wrote: > On 28 May 2013 17:33, dude wrote: > > > Good luck, but I'd rather see Parsley integrated into Apache Flex. > > > > > > Personally, the above response shows exactly the reason why I think there > shouldn't be any > application framework integ

Re: [PROPOSAL] Swiz Framework Donation to Apache Flex

2013-05-28 Thread Roland Zwaga
On 28 May 2013 17:33, dude wrote: > Good luck, but I'd rather see Parsley integrated into Apache Flex. > > Personally, the above response shows exactly the reason why I think there shouldn't be any application framework integrated into Apache Flex. Too many opinions on the matter...

Re: [PROPOSAL] Swiz Framework Donation to Apache Flex

2013-05-28 Thread Greg Reddin
On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 10:33 AM, dude wrote: > Good luck, but I'd rather see Parsley integrated into Apache Flex. > That's the only concern I'd have about the donation. I know Swiz is one framework among several. So we'd have to manage it carefully to keep from alienating part of the community.

Re: [PROPOSAL] Swiz Framework Donation to Apache Flex

2013-05-28 Thread dude
Good luck, but I'd rather see Parsley integrated into Apache Flex. Am 28.05.2013 16:52, schrieb Carlos Rovira: > Hi, > > I want to propose the donation of Swiz Framework to Apache Flex. > > https://github.com/swiz/swiz-framework/ > https://swizframework.jira.com/wiki/display/SWIZ/Home > > The r

Re: [PROPOSAL] Swiz Framework Donation to Apache Flex

2013-05-28 Thread Roland Zwaga
> * Swiz stopped development in 2.0.0 beta that brings AOP to Flex Framework. > The problem with this implementation is that is not ready for producction > since it needs changes in Flex Compiler and in AS3 Commons ByteCode to get > it work properly. > > Hi there, I'm the author of as3commons-byte

Re: [PROPOSAL] Swiz Framework Donation to Apache Flex

2013-05-28 Thread Greg Reddin
On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 9:52 AM, Carlos Rovira wrote: > Hi, > > I want to propose the donation of Swiz Framework to Apache Flex. > This would be awesome in my opinion :-) Just remember that the donation process could get complicated if Chris doesn't hold the copyright to all the code to be donat

[PROPOSAL] Swiz Framework Donation to Apache Flex

2013-05-28 Thread Carlos Rovira
Hi, I want to propose the donation of Swiz Framework to Apache Flex. https://github.com/swiz/swiz-framework/ https://swizframework.jira.com/wiki/display/SWIZ/Home The reasons behind the propossal are: * Swiz Framework is a mature microarquitecure for Apache Flex that complements it to build app