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riate action to address them. Ross Microsoft Open Technologies, Inc. A subsidiary of Microsoft Corporation -Original Message- From: Alex Harui [mailto:aha...@adobe.com] Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 10:07 AM To: dev@community.apache.org Subject: Re: projects.apache.org overhaul proposal O

Re: projects.apache.org overhaul proposal

On 1/15/15, 9:46 AM, "Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)" wrote: >Where are you seeing "discouragement of pilot projects"? In the tone and content of the responses on this thread, including this one where it feels to me you are again using the maintenance and training costs to make it seem highly unl

Re: projects.apache.org overhaul proposal

On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 6:21 PM, Alex Harui wrote: > ...Infra should be encouraged to learn new things if the ROI is established > by the pilot program... Of course, but when you have to maintain systems for years the investment is huge...so the return has to be huge as well. -Bertrand

RE: projects.apache.org overhaul proposal

my own criteria for member candidates). Pierre, for his part, is now following up with the appropriate people (thanks Pierre). Ross -Original Message- From: Alex Harui [mailto:aha...@adobe.com] Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 9:22 AM To: dev Subject: Re: projects.apache.org overhaul proposal

Re: projects.apache.org overhaul proposal

On 1/15/15, 6:35 AM, "Bertrand Delacretaz" wrote: >On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 3:24 PM, Rich Bowen wrote: >> ...*historically*, when this kind of thing has happened (project >>implements, >> thing becomes critical), gradually it becomes the responsibility of >>Infra, >> not of the project, to do o

Re: projects.apache.org overhaul proposal

To put that last sentence in a more positive manner: The future looks bright and is multi-coloured! But it is shrouded in layers of mists. Unfortunately, so is the future influx of funds. Best regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM * Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manuf

Re: New ComDev VM (was: Re: projects.apache.org overhaul proposal)

break at work :-) >> >> Ross >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Daniel Gruno [mailto:humbed...@apache.org] >> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 9:43 AM >> To: dev@community.apache.org >> Subject: Re: projects.apache.org overhaul proposal >>

RE: projects.apache.org overhaul proposal

ing month) Ross Sent from my Windows Phone From: Pierre Smits<mailto:pierre.sm...@gmail.com> Sent: ‎1/‎15/‎2015 7:23 AM To: dev@community.apache.org<mailto:dev@community.apache.org> Subject: Re: projects.apache.org overhaul proposal Maybe we should co

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Maybe we should considering changing the subject as this seems bigger than just an overhaul of one of the front ends of the ASF? Yes, it all has to do with the ROI (the benefits at large vs the costs) for the ASF. And such need to be determined regarding the future, not the present day or the past

Re: projects.apache.org overhaul proposal

On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 3:24 PM, Rich Bowen wrote: > ...*historically*, when this kind of thing has happened (project implements, > thing becomes critical), gradually it becomes the responsibility of Infra, > not of the project, to do ongoing maintenance Yes, this is why I'm reluctant to enco

Re: projects.apache.org overhaul proposal

On 01/14/2015 06:42 PM, Alex Harui wrote: I was probing the notion that it might be to the advantage of the OFBiz community to just volunteer something instead of being asked. Maybe the folks on this list know the other Apache projects better than I do, but I wouldn’t even know what to ask for

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See inline. Best regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM * Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 12:42 AM, Alex Harui wrote: > I was probing the notion that it might be to th

New ComDev VM (was: Re: projects.apache.org overhaul proposal)

ojects.apache.org and I already see some simple improvements I can make in a coffee break at work :-) Ross -Original Message- From: Daniel Gruno [mailto:humbed...@apache.org] Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 9:43 AM To: dev@community.apache.org Subject: Re: projects.apache.org overhaul prop

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I was probing the notion that it might be to the advantage of the OFBiz community to just volunteer something instead of being asked. Maybe the folks on this list know the other Apache projects better than I do, but I wouldn’t even know what to ask for. The project I’m involved in, Apache Flex, m

Re: projects.apache.org overhaul proposal

Like some have expressed in earlier messages in this thread this endeavour could take up some time. Especially when requirements are not clear. And let's not forget, the OFBiz community volunteers their effort to get to a better OFBiz product. They have the tools in place for that. If the ASF want

Re: projects.apache.org overhaul proposal

I’m way outside my area of knowledge, but is there anything stopping the OFBiz community from getting an ASF Azure box and trying to prototype something? -Alex On 1/14/15, 10:46 AM, "Pierre Smits" wrote: >You are correct. And I am aware that budgets are limitied. But I don't >what >the budget w

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I think it is a good idea to replace the current projects.a.o build system because it is extremely complicated currently. It even has its own build system partly based on XML,and the build tools are spread over at least two parts of SVN. The build requires Perl, XSLT and I think there's now some Py

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You are correct. And I am aware that budgets are limitied. But I don't what the budget will be nor decide where the money of the ASF flows. I can only ask for some of it regarding a project. And even then, I won't consider doing so for something that could be perceived as a pet project of Pierre Sm

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can make in a coffee break at work :-) Ross -Original Message- From: Daniel Gruno [mailto:humbed...@apache.org] Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 9:43 AM To: dev@community.apache.org Subject: Re: projects.apache.org overhaul proposal On 2015-01-14 18:37, Jacques Le Roux wrote: Just as a note for t

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Yes, it's great to have 3 OFBiz demos available, we (me on behalf of the OFBiz team) thank you (the infra team) for that! We could though give one back to infra or the ASF at large ;) Note: I'm not volunterring to support Pierre's idea ;) Jacques Le 14/01/2015 17:45, Daniel Gruno a écrit : Fur

Re: projects.apache.org overhaul proposal

niel Gruno [mailto:humbed...@apache.org] > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 9:43 AM > To: dev@community.apache.org > Subject: Re: projects.apache.org overhaul proposal > > > On 2015-01-14 18:37, Jacques Le Roux wrote: > > Just as a note for the sake of truth, OFBiz has Con

Re: projects.apache.org overhaul proposal

Le 14/01/2015 18:42, Daniel Gruno a écrit : On 2015-01-14 18:37, Jacques Le Roux wrote: Just as a note for the sake of truth, OFBiz has Content component http://projects.apache.pw/projects.html?category#content http://ofbiz.apache.org/doap_OFBiz.rdf disagrees ;-) but, assuming this gets acc

RE: projects.apache.org overhaul proposal

Original Message- From: Daniel Gruno [mailto:humbed...@apache.org] Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 9:43 AM To: dev@community.apache.org Subject: Re: projects.apache.org overhaul proposal On 2015-01-14 18:37, Jacques Le Roux wrote: > Just as a note for the sake of truth, OFBiz has Co

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On 2015-01-14 18:37, Jacques Le Roux wrote: Just as a note for the sake of truth, OFBiz has Content component http://projects.apache.pw/projects.html?category#content http://ofbiz.apache.org/doap_OFBiz.rdf disagrees ;-) but, assuming this gets accepted into comdev, you needn't worry about doa

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Just as a note for the sake of truth, OFBiz has Content component http://projects.apache.pw/projects.html?category#content I very like what I saw, kudos! Jacques Le 14/01/2015 12:48, Daniel Gruno a écrit : Hi folks, I was having a conversation with Rich (Bowen) some weeks ago, and the sentime

Re: projects.apache.org overhaul proposal

On 01/14/2015 11:45 AM, Daniel Gruno wrote: Perhaps we should start a new thread about the OfBiz part? It seems to be a very different discussion than what I had in mind, and most likely a discussion that will go on for some time. +1 I have no objections to having, some day, an ofbiz-based s

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munity.apache.org Subject: Re: projects.apache.org overhaul proposal Like INFRA is expected to host/support svn instances, etc. All dependant on the requirements of the ASF. OFBiz is the open source business enablement suite of the ASF (the works - as a result of the project being an ASF),

Re: projects.apache.org overhaul proposal

2015 8:25 AM To: dev@community.apache.org<mailto:dev@community.apache.org> Subject: Re: projects.apache.org overhaul proposal Like INFRA is expected to host/support svn instances, etc. All dependant on the requirements of the ASF. OFBiz is the open source business enablement suite of the ASF (

RE: projects.apache.org overhaul proposal

/‎14/‎2015 8:25 AM To: dev@community.apache.org<mailto:dev@community.apache.org> Subject: Re: projects.apache.org overhaul proposal Like INFRA is expected to host/support svn instances, etc. All dependant on the requirements of the ASF. OFBiz is the open source business enablement suite of the

RE: projects.apache.org overhaul proposal

g> Subject: Re: projects.apache.org overhaul proposal > On 14 Jan 2015, at 10:36, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) > wrote: > > As I said when you originally raised this I would recommend focusing on a > committee that tracks other data, data that is not currently well structured. >

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Like INFRA is expected to host/support svn instances, etc. All dependant on the requirements of the ASF. OFBiz is the open source business enablement suite of the ASF (the works - as a result of the project being an ASF), though primarily advertised as an ERP/E-Commerce solution by the project. W

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> On 14 Jan 2015, at 10:36, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) > wrote: > > As I said when you originally raised this I would recommend focusing on a > committee that tracks other data, data that is not currently well structured. > Trademarks, media, fundraising and whimsy.apache.org are all example

RE: projects.apache.org overhaul proposal

l examples. Ross Sent from my Windows Phone From: Pierre Smits<mailto:pierre.sm...@gmail.com> Sent: ‎1/‎14/‎2015 5:29 AM To: dev@community.apache.org<mailto:dev@community.apache.org> Subject: Re: projects.apache.org overhaul proposal I agree with Dan

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-9430 https://keybase.io/orcmid PGP F96E 89FF D456 628A X.509 certs used and requested for signed e-mail -Original Message- From: Daniel Gruno [mailto:humbed...@apache.org] Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 06:19 To: dev@community.apache.org Subject: Re: projects.apache.org overhaul pro

RE: projects.apache.org overhaul proposal

> Subject: projects.apache.org overhaul proposal Hi folks, I was having a conversation with Rich (Bowen) some weeks ago, and the sentiment was that our projects page ( projects.apache.org <http://projects.apache.org> ) could use a big overhaul. It's outdated, not very user friendly,

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Indeed, an integrated approach and subsequent solution could help in delivering information in a unified way and reduce resource consumption. Best regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM * Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Tr

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On 2015-01-14 15:39, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 3:19 PM, Daniel Gruno wrote: ...The site itself is 100% static HTML+JavaScript, I haven't added any arcane Lua/PHP/whatever scripts to it ;) Oh no...it's not really ASF if it doesn't have arcane stuff in it that no on

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See inline, On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 3:13 PM, Daniel Gruno wrote: > >> First off, comdev needs to officially accept the task of maintaining the > site. It is currently maintained by infra, which has no interest in running > it. > > Which internal organisation of the ASF takes ownership of the so

Re: projects.apache.org overhaul proposal

On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 3:19 PM, Daniel Gruno wrote: > ...The site itself is 100% static HTML+JavaScript, I haven't added any arcane > Lua/PHP/whatever scripts to it ;) Oh no...it's not really ASF if it doesn't have arcane stuff in it that no one can maintain after a few months ;-) Big thank

Re: projects.apache.org overhaul proposal

Hi, > On 14 Jan 2015, at 06:48, Daniel Gruno wrote: > > I have been working on a proposal that follows these ideas, which is > available for preview at http://projects.apache.pw/ for those interested. > Only the first two tabs in the menu currently work (and the extensive search > feature), b

Re: projects.apache.org overhaul proposal

On 2015-01-14 14:40, Rich Bowen wrote: On 01/14/2015 06:48 AM, Daniel Gruno wrote: Hi folks, I was having a conversation with Rich (Bowen) some weeks ago, and the sentiment was that our projects page ( projects.apache.org ) could use a big overhaul. It's outdated,

Re: projects.apache.org overhaul proposal

On 2015-01-14 15:04, Pierre Smits wrote: Why don't we create an improvement issue in the JIRA of comdev to track issues regarding this proposal. That will ensure that everything regarding requirements, suggestions, approaches etc is registered in one place and (amongst others) sub-tasks can be r

Re: projects.apache.org overhaul proposal

Why don't we create an improvement issue in the JIRA of comdev to track issues regarding this proposal. That will ensure that everything regarding requirements, suggestions, approaches etc is registered in one place and (amongst others) sub-tasks can be registered to track progress. Regards, Pier

Re: projects.apache.org overhaul proposal

On 01/14/2015 06:48 AM, Daniel Gruno wrote: Hi folks, I was having a conversation with Rich (Bowen) some weeks ago, and the sentiment was that our projects page ( projects.apache.org ) could use a big overhaul. It's outdated, not very user friendly, doesn't really c

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Daniel, Previous data = data. Data can be imported Best regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM * Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 2:36 PM, Daniel Gruno wrote: > R

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Rich, Every change has impact. Depending on what the ASF wants to achieve more or less effort is involved. Best regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM * Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Wed,

Re: projects.apache.org overhaul proposal

Replies in-line On 2015-01-14 14:28, Pierre Smits wrote: I agree with Daniel that (several) ASF pages could do with an overhaul to make them more up-to-date regarding usebility and functionality. This is inline with what I said earlier in a thread in this mailing list (see: http://community.mark

Re: projects.apache.org overhaul proposal

On 01/14/2015 08:28 AM, Pierre Smits wrote: I agree with Daniel that (several) ASF pages could do with an overhaul to make them more up-to-date regarding usebility and functionality. This is inline with what I said earlier in a thread in this mailing list (see: http://community.markmail.org/me

Re: projects.apache.org overhaul proposal

I agree with Daniel that (several) ASF pages could do with an overhaul to make them more up-to-date regarding usebility and functionality. This is inline with what I said earlier in a thread in this mailing list (see: http://community.markmail.org/message/a73m7slgtqtso3gs?q=list:org%2Eapache%2Ecom

projects.apache.org overhaul proposal

Hi folks, I was having a conversation with Rich (Bowen) some weeks ago, and the sentiment was that our projects page ( projects.apache.org ) could use a big overhaul. It's outdated, not very user friendly, doesn't really compile the data into anything useful (mostl