On 01/14/2015 06:42 PM, Alex Harui wrote:
I was probing the notion that it might be to the advantage of the OFBiz
community to just volunteer something instead of being asked. Maybe the
folks on this list know the other Apache projects better than I do, but I
wouldn’t even know what to ask for.
Yep. This. I've done some reading about OFBiz, but having never actually
used it, I wouldn't know where to start.
The other consideration is that once we had a mature thing based on
OFBiz, and once it became a critical service for the ASF, Infra would be
called upon to support it. This would require funding, expertise, and
time. Those can come from a variety of places, such as from the OFBiz
community, but *historically*, when this kind of thing has happened
(project implements, thing becomes critical), gradually it becomes the
responsibility of Infra, not of the project, to do ongoing maintenance.
Hence the need for a 5 year view rather than a "let's get this feature
working" view.
Why is this different from what Daniel has done? Because this is a "nice
to have", rather than a critical service. (Although that's a dangerous
thing to say, because something like this could easily *become* a
critical service.)
--Rich
The project I’m involved in, Apache Flex, might also have the technology
to improve a lot of things at the ASF. Once the code I’m working on gets
to a certain point, if I need more customers and want to test out the “eat
your own dog food” principle, I may start offering replacements to some of
the web experiences we have at the ASF. If I can run a live PoC, it will
make it much easier to sell and focus the conversation and maybe even
garner more contributors. And even if the ASF rejects it, I will have
learned something in the process. For sure, I will meter the effort I put
into it accordingly so it isn’t a huge deal if it doesn’t get adopted.
-Alex
On 1/14/15, 2:09 PM, "Pierre Smits" <pierre.sm...@gmail.com> wrote:
Like some have expressed in earlier messages in this thread this endeavour
could take up some time. Especially when requirements are not clear.
And let's not forget, the OFBiz community volunteers their effort to get
to
a better OFBiz product. They have the tools in place for that. If the ASF
wants something on top of that from the OFBIz community it needs to be
asked there (their mailing lists). Not here. Even if it is assistance with
prototyping a Proof of Concept.
Apart from that, as the building blocks of OFBiz don't use exotic
constructs (it is java, xml, ftl, groovy, when talking languages) I
surmise
an ASF Azure box can suffice. If concessions regarding data storage are
acceptable (integrated derby in stead of external RDBMS) for such a PoC..
Best regards,
Pierre Smits
*ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>*
Services & Solutions for Cloud-
Based Manufacturing, Professional
Services and Retail & Trade
http://www.orrtiz.com
On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 10:30 PM, Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com> wrote:
I’m way outside my area of knowledge, but is there anything stopping the
OFBiz community from getting an ASF Azure box and trying to prototype
something?
-Alex
On 1/14/15, 10:46 AM, "Pierre Smits" <pierre.sm...@gmail.com> wrote:
You are correct. And I am aware that budgets are limitied. But I don't
what
the budget will be nor decide where the money of the ASF flows. I can
only
ask for some of it regarding a project. And even then, I won't consider
doing so for something that could be perceived as a pet project of
Pierre
Smits. If ASF offices do want an OFBiz implementation to work with,
maybe
they should go ahead and involve both INFRA and the OFBiz community.
I understand the concerns. I myself have them as well when dealing with
volunteer organisations. But - and apparently - the ASF has this solved
regarding the INFRA office. The same could be worked out for the other
solutions and/or services it needs to have in place.
You just need to ask the right questions to the right people.
Best regards,
Pierre Smits
*ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>*
Services & Solutions for Cloud-
Based Manufacturing, Professional
Services and Retail & Trade
http://www.orrtiz.com
On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 5:34 PM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) <
ross.gard...@microsoft.com> wrote:
Maintaining servers costs money. Money has to come from somewhere and
has
to be budgeted. We can't just drop a new demand on infra without
discussing
it with them and ensuring they have the capacity.
In terms of maintenance of the result Im thinking who makes the
changes
we
need as requirements change over time? Somebody needs to be
responsible
for
that and we need to be sure it is sustainable. The easier it is to
maintain
the easier it is to find someone willing to do it.
As for my suggestion for OfBiz to be applied to operational area of
the
foundation I said "currently unstructured" that is the information
is in
ad-hoc spreadsheets and mailing lists. OfBiz is, as far as I'm
aware,
designed for the kinds of functions I listed.
Sent from my Windows Phone
--
Rich Bowen - rbo...@rcbowen.com - @rbowen
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