Re: VP Conferences changes

2023-11-13 Thread Ed Mangini
Thanks for all of your hard work Rich. I'm sad I didn't get to work with you more! On Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 1:16 PM Ryan Skraba wrote: > Just adding my thanks as well: your advice has been both comforting > and valuable as we've been working towards Community over Code Europe > 2024[1]. Please d

Re: VP Conferences changes

2023-11-13 Thread Ryan Skraba
Just adding my thanks as well: your advice has been both comforting and valuable as we've been working towards Community over Code Europe 2024[1]. Please don't hesitate to continue lending your voice and opinions! :D All my best, Ryan [1]: http://eu.communityovercode.org/ "Community over Code, B

Re: VP Conferences changes

2023-11-10 Thread Jim Jagielski
> On Nov 9, 2023, at 5:46 PM, Shane Curcuru wrote: > > rbo...@rcbowen.com wrote on 11/8/23 9:45 AM: > ...snip... >> I'm honestly torn as to whether this troll-y message merits a response. > > No, it didn't merit a response, but here we are anyway! 8-) > > The response feels like it's from so

Re: VP Conferences changes

2023-11-10 Thread Sharan Foga
Huge thanks to you Rich for all the work you have done on Conferences over the years. I know that sometimes it hasnt been as easy as you make it seem - but you have always had a big smile, positive attitude and a willingness to put on an amazing event :-) Thanks Sharan On 2023/11/08 12:03:38 R

Re: VP Conferences changes

2023-11-09 Thread Shane Curcuru
rbo...@rcbowen.com wrote on 11/8/23 9:45 AM: ...snip... I'm honestly torn as to whether this troll-y message merits a response. No, it didn't merit a response, but here we are anyway! 8-) The response feels like it's from someone who fundamentally doesn't understand ASF governance. The chang

Re: VP Conferences changes

2023-11-09 Thread Jarek Potiuk
Thanks Rich for all the spirit of the Community Over Code (AKA ApacheCon). Sharing my personal experiences, I am not sure how much you were the "Spirit" of the EU conference in Berlin, that was my first "ApacheCon" experience - but that is where I got the "Community" vibes. This is where (and beca

Re: VP Conferences changes

2023-11-09 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Thu, Nov 9, 2023 at 12:42 AM Kanchana Welagedara wrote: > > Dear Rich, > > With reminiscing of helping out to organize ApacheCon Asia 2006 Asia ( Sri > Lanka ), my first ever ApacheConf experience, let me write this you . > > Your dedication, guidance and tireless efforts have made a profound i

Re: VP Conferences changes

2023-11-08 Thread Kanchana Welagedara
Dear Rich, With reminiscing of helping out to organize ApacheCon Asia 2006 Asia ( Sri Lanka ), my first ever ApacheConf experience, let me write this you . Your dedication, guidance and tireless efforts have made a profound impact on Apache community . Apache conferences have flourished and have

Re: VP Conferences changes

2023-11-08 Thread Dave Fisher
> On Nov 8, 2023, at 8:06 AM, Owen Rubel wrote: > > "So rather than worry about these sort if artefacts of institutionalisation > or what bad KPIs \& wrong incentives can drive in a corporate world -- lets > just make sure together that these conferences are what we want." > > I kind of figur

Re: VP Conferences changes

2023-11-08 Thread Owen Rubel
"So rather than worry about these sort if artefacts of institutionalisation or what bad KPIs \& wrong incentives can drive in a corporate world -- lets just make sure together that these conferences are what we want." I kind of figured that was the point of speaking up; to let you know how vendor

Re: VP Conferences changes

2023-11-08 Thread Dirk-Willem van Gulik
On 8 Nov 2023, at 13:03, Rich Bowen wrote: > Fyi, effective yesterday, I have stepped down as VP conferences. The > responsibility for that role has passed to VP marketing, but communication > around conferences will still happen on the planners mailing list, as it > has for many years. Thanks f

Re: VP Conferences changes

2023-11-08 Thread Dave Fisher
Hi Rich, Thank you for your decade plus work as VP, Conferences. In my experience you’ve done tremendous work and yet I appreciate your choosing your focus to be here on Community. For those criticizing Rich’s personal decision as “bad” because “sales”. Please volunteer as a track chair. I was

Re: VP Conferences changes

2023-11-08 Thread Owen Rubel
Well Ed, Feel free to take a look at any conference that has focused on sales/marketing. Vendors take over ALL TALKS. I used to speak at SpringOne, APIDays, APIWorld and others and the only way I get to speak these days is through 'pay-to-play'; they literally tell me that if I pay to be a vendor

Re: VP Conferences changes

2023-11-08 Thread Ed Mangini
That's an assumption and conjecture. If it's a concern of yours, there are more productive ways to raise the issue and socialize avenues to protect the interests you're advocating for. On Wed, Nov 8, 2023, 10:00 Owen Rubel wrote: > Sales and marketing go hand in hand; marketing promotes sales

Re: VP Conferences changes

2023-11-08 Thread Owen Rubel
Sales and marketing go hand in hand; marketing promotes sales and sales uses marketing materials to get sales. It is a mutually beneficial relationship. True events are about messaging BUT conferences are also about education. Too many conferences have gone down the route of merely pandering to v

Re: VP Conferences changes

2023-11-08 Thread rbowen
On Wed, 2023-11-08 at 06:33 -0800, Owen Rubel wrote: > Weak sauce. Once marketing takes over, conference talks become merely > part > of SALES. > > ApacheCon has been about learning... not SALES and MARKETING. I'm honestly torn as to whether this troll-y message merits a response. I'd expect som

Re: VP Conferences changes

2023-11-08 Thread Owen Rubel
Weak sauce. Once marketing takes over, conference talks become merely part of SALES. ApacheCon has been about learning... not SALES and MARKETING. Owen Rubel oru...@gmail.com On Wed, Nov 8, 2023 at 4:04 AM Rich Bowen wrote: > Fyi, effective yesterday, I have stepped down as VP conferences. Th

VP Conferences changes

2023-11-08 Thread Rich Bowen
Fyi, effective yesterday, I have stepped down as VP conferences. The responsibility for that role has passed to VP marketing, but communication around conferences will still happen on the planners mailing list, as it has for many years. It's my hope to get a little more engaged on the side of the