Well Ed, Feel free to take a look at any conference that has focused on sales/marketing. Vendors take over ALL TALKS.
I used to speak at SpringOne, APIDays, APIWorld and others and the only way I get to speak these days is through 'pay-to-play'; they literally tell me that if I pay to be a vendor, they would gladly have me as a speaker. So feel free to call it conjecture but I will be more than happy to resend this email to the entire Apache community in 4 years time with your comments. Owen Rubel oru...@gmail.com On Wed, Nov 8, 2023 at 7:03 AM Ed Mangini <m...@emangini.com> wrote: > That's an assumption and conjecture. > > If it's a concern of yours, there are more productive ways to raise the > issue and socialize avenues to protect the interests you're advocating for. > > > On Wed, Nov 8, 2023, 10:00 Owen Rubel <oru...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Sales and marketing go hand in hand; marketing promotes sales and sales > > uses marketing materials to get sales. It is a mutually > > beneficial relationship. > > > > True events are about messaging BUT conferences are also about education. > > > > Too many conferences have gone down the route of merely pandering to > > vendors only and ignoring engineers. > > > > Once you hand off to sales/marketing, thats the final straw. There is no > > turning back. ApacheCon becomes purely about vendor sales/marketing, not > > engineering > > > > Owen Rubel > > oru...@gmail.com > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 8, 2023 at 6:45 AM <rbo...@rcbowen.com> wrote: > > > > > On Wed, 2023-11-08 at 06:33 -0800, Owen Rubel wrote: > > > > Weak sauce. Once marketing takes over, conference talks become merely > > > > part > > > > of SALES. > > > > > > > > ApacheCon has been about learning... not SALES and MARKETING. > > > > > > I'm honestly torn as to whether this troll-y message merits a response. > > > > > > I'd expect someone with your deep experience in tech (This > > > you? https://www.linkedin.com/in/owen-rubel-531197228/) to understand > > > that sales and marketing are fundamentally different things. > > > > > > Events are fundamentally about *messaging* which is what marketing is > > > about. Marketing has been an equal partner in the production of this > > > event since the first one in 1998. > > > > > > We don't have products, and thus we have no sales. > > > > > > As always, you are more than welcome to come participate in the > > > planning activities if you wish to shape that messaging. > > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 8, 2023 at 4:04 AM Rich Bowen <rbo...@rcbowen.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Fyi, effective yesterday, I have stepped down as VP conferences. > > > > > The > > > > > responsibility for that role has passed to VP marketing, but > > > > > communication > > > > > around conferences will still happen on the planners mailing list, > > > > > as it > > > > > has for many years. > > > > > > > > > > It's my hope to get a little more engaged on the side of the house, > > > > > which, > > > > > of course, I've been trying to do for the last couple of years. > > > > > > > > > > Rich > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org > > > > > > > > >
