Re: VP Conferences changes

2023-11-13 Thread Ed Mangini
Thanks for all of your hard work Rich. I'm sad I didn't get to work with you more! On Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 1:16 PM Ryan Skraba wrote: > Just adding my thanks as well: your advice has been both comforting > and valuable as we've been working towards Community over Code Europe > 2024[1]. Please d

Re: VP Conferences changes

2023-11-13 Thread Ryan Skraba
Just adding my thanks as well: your advice has been both comforting and valuable as we've been working towards Community over Code Europe 2024[1]. Please don't hesitate to continue lending your voice and opinions! :D All my best, Ryan [1]: http://eu.communityovercode.org/ "Community over Code, B

Re: VP Conferences changes

2023-11-10 Thread Jim Jagielski
> On Nov 9, 2023, at 5:46 PM, Shane Curcuru wrote: > > rbo...@rcbowen.com wrote on 11/8/23 9:45 AM: > ...snip... >> I'm honestly torn as to whether this troll-y message merits a response. > > No, it didn't merit a response, but here we are anyway! 8-) > > The response feels like it's from so

Re: VP Conferences changes

2023-11-10 Thread Sharan Foga
Huge thanks to you Rich for all the work you have done on Conferences over the years. I know that sometimes it hasnt been as easy as you make it seem - but you have always had a big smile, positive attitude and a willingness to put on an amazing event :-) Thanks Sharan On 2023/11/08 12:03:38 R

Re: VP Conferences changes

2023-11-09 Thread Shane Curcuru
rbo...@rcbowen.com wrote on 11/8/23 9:45 AM: ...snip... I'm honestly torn as to whether this troll-y message merits a response. No, it didn't merit a response, but here we are anyway! 8-) The response feels like it's from someone who fundamentally doesn't understand ASF governance. The chang

Re: VP Conferences changes

2023-11-09 Thread Jarek Potiuk
Thanks Rich for all the spirit of the Community Over Code (AKA ApacheCon). Sharing my personal experiences, I am not sure how much you were the "Spirit" of the EU conference in Berlin, that was my first "ApacheCon" experience - but that is where I got the "Community" vibes. This is where (and beca

Re: VP Conferences changes

2023-11-09 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Thu, Nov 9, 2023 at 12:42 AM Kanchana Welagedara wrote: > > Dear Rich, > > With reminiscing of helping out to organize ApacheCon Asia 2006 Asia ( Sri > Lanka ), my first ever ApacheConf experience, let me write this you . > > Your dedication, guidance and tireless efforts have made a profound i

Re: VP Conferences changes

2023-11-08 Thread Kanchana Welagedara
Dear Rich, With reminiscing of helping out to organize ApacheCon Asia 2006 Asia ( Sri Lanka ), my first ever ApacheConf experience, let me write this you . Your dedication, guidance and tireless efforts have made a profound impact on Apache community . Apache conferences have flourished and have

Re: VP Conferences changes

2023-11-08 Thread Dave Fisher
> On Nov 8, 2023, at 8:06 AM, Owen Rubel wrote: > > "So rather than worry about these sort if artefacts of institutionalisation > or what bad KPIs \& wrong incentives can drive in a corporate world -- lets > just make sure together that these conferences are what we want." > > I kind of figur

Re: VP Conferences changes

2023-11-08 Thread Owen Rubel
"So rather than worry about these sort if artefacts of institutionalisation or what bad KPIs \& wrong incentives can drive in a corporate world -- lets just make sure together that these conferences are what we want." I kind of figured that was the point of speaking up; to let you know how vendor

Re: VP Conferences changes

2023-11-08 Thread Dirk-Willem van Gulik
On 8 Nov 2023, at 13:03, Rich Bowen wrote: > Fyi, effective yesterday, I have stepped down as VP conferences. The > responsibility for that role has passed to VP marketing, but communication > around conferences will still happen on the planners mailing list, as it > has for many years. Thanks f

Re: VP Conferences changes

2023-11-08 Thread Dave Fisher
Hi Rich, Thank you for your decade plus work as VP, Conferences. In my experience you’ve done tremendous work and yet I appreciate your choosing your focus to be here on Community. For those criticizing Rich’s personal decision as “bad” because “sales”. Please volunteer as a track chair. I was

Re: VP Conferences changes

2023-11-08 Thread Owen Rubel
Well Ed, Feel free to take a look at any conference that has focused on sales/marketing. Vendors take over ALL TALKS. I used to speak at SpringOne, APIDays, APIWorld and others and the only way I get to speak these days is through 'pay-to-play'; they literally tell me that if I pay to be a vendor

Re: VP Conferences changes

2023-11-08 Thread Ed Mangini
That's an assumption and conjecture. If it's a concern of yours, there are more productive ways to raise the issue and socialize avenues to protect the interests you're advocating for. On Wed, Nov 8, 2023, 10:00 Owen Rubel wrote: > Sales and marketing go hand in hand; marketing promotes sales

Re: VP Conferences changes

2023-11-08 Thread Owen Rubel
Sales and marketing go hand in hand; marketing promotes sales and sales uses marketing materials to get sales. It is a mutually beneficial relationship. True events are about messaging BUT conferences are also about education. Too many conferences have gone down the route of merely pandering to v

Re: VP Conferences changes

2023-11-08 Thread rbowen
On Wed, 2023-11-08 at 06:33 -0800, Owen Rubel wrote: > Weak sauce. Once marketing takes over, conference talks become merely > part > of SALES. > > ApacheCon has been about learning... not SALES and MARKETING. I'm honestly torn as to whether this troll-y message merits a response. I'd expect som

Re: VP Conferences changes

2023-11-08 Thread Owen Rubel
Weak sauce. Once marketing takes over, conference talks become merely part of SALES. ApacheCon has been about learning... not SALES and MARKETING. Owen Rubel oru...@gmail.com On Wed, Nov 8, 2023 at 4:04 AM Rich Bowen wrote: > Fyi, effective yesterday, I have stepped down as VP conferences. Th