Re: Community-run MVP programs at the ASF

2023-07-10 Thread Melissa Logan
I've been on bereavement leave for the past two weeks, hence the radio silence. I will be reading and replying to feedback this week. On Fri, Jun 23, 2023 at 2:20 AM Roman Shaposhnik wrote: > On Thu, Jun 22, 2023 at 1:39 AM Phil Steitz wrote: > > > > On Wed, Jun 21, 2023 at 12:57 PM Mark Thomas

Re: Community-run MVP programs at the ASF

2023-06-23 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Thu, Jun 22, 2023 at 1:39 AM Phil Steitz wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 21, 2023 at 12:57 PM Mark Thomas wrote: > > > On 21/06/2023 19:57, Jeff Jirsa wrote: > > > Member of the cassandra PMC, but responding here individually. I'm not > > actually sure I actually support the idea of an MVP program, but

Re: Community-run MVP programs at the ASF

2023-06-22 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Thu, Jun 22, 2023 at 6:15 PM Justin Mclean wrote: > ...A project should give a commit bit to anyone who is currently committed to > the project +1, and "being committed" does not necessarily mean "committing code", there are other ways to be committed to a project. -Bertrand ---

Re: Community-run MVP programs at the ASF

2023-06-22 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, Is seems to me the real issue here is that the commit bar for the Cassandra project is too high. Reduce it, and you don’t need MVP programs or anything similar. Calling it an Ambassador program doesn’t make it better. Calling it “Cassandra Ambassador Program” is even worse as that implies i

Re: Community-run MVP programs at the ASF

2023-06-22 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Thu, Jun 22, 2023 at 3:09 PM Gary Gregory wrote: > > ...If we adopt a badge system, I hope it can be automated (a la github), > because I don't want to spend time reading or voting on who gets what badge... Again, nobody is talking about *requiring* ASF projects to do anything, what we're disc

Re: Community-run MVP programs at the ASF

2023-06-22 Thread Gary Gregory
If we adopt a badge system, I hope it can be automated (a la github), because I don't want to spend time reading or voting on who gets what badge. Gary On Thu, Jun 22, 2023, 07:33 Daniel Gruno wrote: > On 2023-06-21 19:55, Melissa Logan wrote: > > Hello CommDev people: > > > > Is there preceden

Re: Community-run MVP programs at the ASF

2023-06-22 Thread Jarek Potiuk
Good point Daniel. I like this perspective. On Thu, Jun 22, 2023 at 1:33 PM Daniel Gruno wrote: > On 2023-06-21 19:55, Melissa Logan wrote: > > Hello CommDev people: > > > > Is there precedent at ASF for a community-run MVP program? If not, would > > anyone like to collaborate on this to help pr

Re: Community-run MVP programs at the ASF

2023-06-22 Thread Daniel Gruno
On 2023-06-21 19:55, Melissa Logan wrote: Hello CommDev people: Is there precedent at ASF for a community-run MVP program? If not, would anyone like to collaborate on this to help provide guidance to ASF projects? And is CommDev the right place? In a recent Cassandra Marketing Working Group mee

Re: Community-run MVP programs at the ASF

2023-06-22 Thread Jarek Potiuk
Agree (I believe :) - at least this is my interpretation of what they say) with Bertrand, Phil, Mark. It does not sound like you need to have ASF or PMCs for that. I think each of our communities can have their own way of communicating and promoting behaviours and good things. I see no particular

Re: Community-run MVP programs at the ASF

2023-06-22 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Thu, Jun 22, 2023 at 12:44 PM Gary Gregory wrote: > ...Badges are fun, sure, but is that how we want to spend our energy?... I'm not saying projects should do badges, what I'm saying is that iff a project wants to celebrate specific contributors achievements, badges might be a good idea. And t

Re: Community-run MVP programs at the ASF

2023-06-22 Thread Gary Gregory
A badge needs a place to put it and we aren't github where your profile page displays badges. I don't think we want to invent profile pages for Apache just to display badges. And your ~userid page is not the right place for that I think since users could put up any kind of image. Badges are fun, su

Re: Community-run MVP programs at the ASF

2023-06-22 Thread Matthew O'Brien
I have yet to contribute on the coding side of things as I am still learning, yet I agree with the above "badge" style system as being something that encourages active engagement and is still egalitarian in nature as it facilitates all contributors to remain equal (as opposed to the dichotomised

Re: Community-run MVP programs at the ASF

2023-06-22 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Thu, Jun 22, 2023 at 12:39 AM Phil Steitz wrote: > ...I strongly disagree with the idea of designating "MVPs" at any level in the > ASF... Same here, I object to having "most valuable" titles in ASF projects, as it can be understood to mean others are less valuable. It's probably a cultural t

Re: Community-run MVP programs at the ASF

2023-06-21 Thread Phil Steitz
On Wed, Jun 21, 2023 at 12:57 PM Mark Thomas wrote: > On 21/06/2023 19:57, Jeff Jirsa wrote: > > Member of the cassandra PMC, but responding here individually. I'm not > actually sure I actually support the idea of an MVP program, but do want to > point out that "PMC" has other special meaning: >

Re: Community-run MVP programs at the ASF

2023-06-21 Thread Mark Thomas
On 21/06/2023 19:57, Jeff Jirsa wrote: Member of the cassandra PMC, but responding here individually. I'm not actually sure I actually support the idea of an MVP program, but do want to point out that "PMC" has other special meaning: - A member of the PMC is (or at least was, and if it's chang

Re: Community-run MVP programs at the ASF

2023-06-21 Thread Jeff Jirsa
Member of the cassandra PMC, but responding here individually. I'm not actually sure I actually support the idea of an MVP program, but do want to point out that "PMC" has other special meaning: - A member of the PMC is (or at least was, and if it's changed, I missed it) strictly required to be

Re: Community-run MVP programs at the ASF

2023-06-21 Thread Mark Thomas
Melissa, You haven't answered my question. ASF projects already have a mechanism for rewarding contributions. Why do they need a separate one? Mark On 21/06/2023 19:12, Melissa Logan wrote: Hi Mark, The goal is to provide documentation to projects on how to implement a community-run MVP p

Re: Community-run MVP programs at the ASF

2023-06-21 Thread Dirk-Willem van Gulik
On 21 Jun 2023, at 19:55, Melissa Logan wrote: > Is there precedent at ASF for a community-run MVP program? If not, would > anyone like to collaborate on this to help provide guidance to ASF > projects? And is CommDev the right place? > ... > https://docs.google.com/document/d/19sExbQFMBvEJPjE_Ya

Re: Community-run MVP programs at the ASF

2023-06-21 Thread Melissa Logan
Hi Mark, The goal is to provide documentation to projects on how to implement a community-run MVP program, should any project decide to do so. It would be optional and additive. On Wed, Jun 21, 2023 at 11:07 AM Mark Thomas wrote: > Every project already has a system for recognizing contributor

Re: Community-run MVP programs at the ASF

2023-06-21 Thread Mark Thomas
Every project already has a system for recognizing contributors in the community - making them a committer (then PMC member). Why is there a need for a separate system? Mark On 21/06/2023 18:55, Melissa Logan wrote: Hello CommDev people: Is there precedent at ASF for a community-run MVP pro

Community-run MVP programs at the ASF

2023-06-21 Thread Melissa Logan
Hello CommDev people: Is there precedent at ASF for a community-run MVP program? If not, would anyone like to collaborate on this to help provide guidance to ASF projects? And is CommDev the right place? In a recent Cassandra Marketing Working Group meeting (1) we discussed the idea of a communit