Re: [VOTE] Moving to Git...

2013-10-10 Thread Gilles
On Thu, 10 Oct 2013 11:58:58 -0400, James Carman wrote: On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Gilles wrote: -1 Some people have indicated that this move might not address the problem it is supposed to. No conclusive answer has been provided. What problem is that exactly? Perhaps that's not w

Re: [DISCUSS] Moving to Git...

2013-10-10 Thread James Carman
And how did we establish that git will not address those concerns? On Thursday, October 10, 2013, Gilles wrote: > On Thu, 10 Oct 2013 11:58:58 -0400, James Carman wrote: > >> On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Gilles >> wrote: >> >>> -1 >>> >>> Some people have indicated that this move might not

Re: [DISCUSS] Moving to Git...

2013-10-10 Thread Mark Thomas
On 10/10/2013 22:41, James Carman wrote: > And how did we establish that git will not address those concerns? It has not been established that the choice of git vs. svn is the biggest blocker to attracting attention and contributors. I would suggest that a lack of releases is a much greater barri

Re: [DISCUSS] Moving to Git...

2013-10-10 Thread James Carman
On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 5:48 PM, Mark Thomas wrote: > > I would suggest that a lack of releases is a much greater barrier. Folks > who contribute patches do so because they want to see them in a release. > If there are no releases (and looking back for the past 6 months there > have been very few

Re: [DISCUSS] Moving to Git...

2013-10-10 Thread Mark Thomas
On 10/10/2013 23:05, James Carman wrote: > On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 5:48 PM, Mark Thomas wrote: >> >> I would suggest that a lack of releases is a much greater barrier. Folks >> who contribute patches do so because they want to see them in a release. >> If there are no releases (and looking back fo

Re: [DISCUSS] Moving to Git...

2013-10-10 Thread James Carman
On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Mark Thomas wrote: > > I disagree. We don't have releases because of an overly complex release > process. Figuring out how to do a Pool 2 release is on my TODO list. > Having seen the pain others new to the Commons release process have gone > though, I'm not lookin

[SCXML] Next major version number required package rename needed?

2013-10-10 Thread Ate Douma
On 10/10/2013 09:39 PM, Rahul Akolkar wrote: On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 7:26 AM, Ate Douma wrote: Case in point: SCXML If we are allowed to start working on this component shortly, we intend to, and HAVE to switch to a 1.0 version first, as there already is a 0.9 version release out, while we

Re: [SCXML] Next major version number required package rename needed?

2013-10-10 Thread Emmanuel Bourg
Commons SCXML has only one reverse dependency in Maven Central, flexistate, so I wouldn't bother with the binary compatibility and just keep the package as is. http://mvnrepository.com/artifact/commons-scxml/commons-scxml/0.9 Emmanuel Bourg --

Re: [DISCUSS] Moving to Git...

2013-10-10 Thread Gary Gregory
On Oct 10, 2013, at 18:13, Mark Thomas wrote: > On 10/10/2013 23:05, James Carman wrote: >> On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 5:48 PM, Mark Thomas wrote: >>> >>> I would suggest that a lack of releases is a much greater barrier. Folks >>> who contribute patches do so because they want to see them in a rel

Re: [SCXML] Next major version number required package rename needed?

2013-10-10 Thread Ate Douma
On 10/11/2013 01:16 AM, Emmanuel Bourg wrote: Commons SCXML has only one reverse dependency in Maven Central, flexistate, so I wouldn't bother with the binary compatibility and just keep the package as is. Hmm. That might be the only reverse dependency of artifacts also deployed to Maven Centr

Re: [DISCUSS] Creating Project for Release Process Testing...

2013-10-10 Thread Matt Benson
We're all still talking about the release process, but in all honesty I've not done it for several years at Commons. I think it would be immensely helpful for those of us who have been at least part way through the process fairly recently (Emmanuel, Gary, others?) to present your recollections of

Re: [VOTE] Move Apache Commons to Git for SCM...

2013-10-10 Thread Olivier Lamy
Even I like git and use it daily, I will vote +0,5. Why other apache projects need to have their own commons-csv repackaged release? why tomcat need to use a svn:external on dbcp instead of a released version? why servicemix need to repackage all commons jar to have proper osgi bundles? I simply

[SCXML] Next major version number required package rename needed?

2013-10-10 Thread James Carman
If you are breaking backward compatibility then you need to do the renames (package, and artifactId). I don't know if we ever landed on a "rule" about the new JDK level scenario, though. On Thursday, October 10, 2013, Ate Douma wrote: > On 10/11/2013 01:16 AM, Emmanuel Bourg wrote: > >> Commons

Re: [SCXML] Next major version number required package rename needed?

2013-10-10 Thread Ate Douma
On 10/11/2013 01:41 AM, James Carman wrote: If you are breaking backward compatibility then you need to do the renames (package, and artifactId). That was my impression already. And I have no real issue with doing so. But again, when has this been decided and has it ever been formalized (writt

Re: [SCXML] Next major version number required package rename needed?

2013-10-10 Thread James Carman
Now, this case is a bit weird, since we have released code in a < 1.0 version number. So, the artifact/package will have to be scxml1, which looks funky IMHO. I guess that follows the pattern, though. On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 7:49 PM, Ate Douma wrote: > On 10/11/2013 01:41 AM, James Carman wrote

Re: [VOTE] Move Apache Commons to Git for SCM...

2013-10-10 Thread Phil Steitz
> On Oct 10, 2013, at 4:41 PM, Olivier Lamy wrote: > > Even I like git and use it daily, I will vote +0,5. > > Why other apache projects need to have their own commons-csv > repackaged release? why tomcat need to use a svn:external on dbcp > instead of a released version? why servicemix need t

Re: [VOTE] Move Apache Commons to Git for SCM...

2013-10-10 Thread James Carman
Matt and I will probably have proxy2 ready very soon, too On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 8:10 PM, Phil Steitz wrote: > > >> On Oct 10, 2013, at 4:41 PM, Olivier Lamy wrote: >> >> Even I like git and use it daily, I will vote +0,5. >> >> Why other apache projects need to have their own commons-csv >> r

Re: [SCXML] Next major version number required package rename needed?

2013-10-10 Thread Niall Pemberton
I would bump to version 2.0 because I dont think its clear that going from 0.9 to 1.0 is a major version change - in my mind 0.9 seems to imply "we haven't quite completed everything we want to for 1.0" Niall On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 12:52 AM, James Carman wrote: > Now, this case is a bit weird,

Re: [SCXML] Next major version number required package rename needed?

2013-10-10 Thread Matt Benson
I would also treat 0.9 as a "real release" and act accordingly wrt API changes; the current release is far too old to do otherwise IMHO. Matt On Oct 10, 2013 7:41 PM, "Niall Pemberton" wrote: > I would bump to version 2.0 because I dont think its clear that going from > 0.9 to 1.0 is a major ver

Re: [SCXML] Next major version number required package rename needed?

2013-10-10 Thread James Carman
It wouldn't look so funky that way. I'm cool with that. On Thursday, October 10, 2013, Niall Pemberton wrote: > I would bump to version 2.0 because I dont think its clear that going from > 0.9 to 1.0 is a major version change - in my mind 0.9 seems to imply "we > haven't quite completed everythi

Re: [SCXML] Next major version number required package rename needed?

2013-10-10 Thread Paul Benedict
The dots aren't decimal separators and version numbers are not true numbers. 0.9 goes to 0.10 goes to 0.11, etc. If they were true decimal numbers, you couldn't have more than one dot. 0.9 to 1.0 is a major version jump. However, 0.X usually indicates pre-release quality (i.e., not ready for produ

Re: [DISCUSS] Creating Project for Release Process Testing...

2013-10-10 Thread Stefan Bodewig
On 2013-10-11, Matt Benson wrote: > We're all still talking about the release process, but in all honesty I've > not done it for several years at Commons. I think it would be immensely > helpful for those of us who have been at least part way through the process > fairly recently (Emmanuel, Gary,

Re: [DISCUSS] Moving to Git...

2013-10-10 Thread Romain Manni-Bucau
Can a release guy detail what is painful and why we cant release with a script? Git or svn are scriptable to be auto so the scm is clearly not the release issue (maybe not fashion but not blocking) Le 11 oct. 2013 01:24, "Gary Gregory" a écrit : > On Oct 10, 2013, at 18:13, Mark Thomas wrote: >

Re: [DISCUSS] Moving to Git...

2013-10-10 Thread Benedikt Ritter
I don't understand why "SCM isn't the biggest problem" causes people to veto this change. Send from my mobile device > Am 11.10.2013 um 06:55 schrieb Romain Manni-Bucau : > > Can a release guy detail what is painful and why we cant release with a > script? Git or svn are scriptable to be auto s

Re: [DISCUSS] Moving to Git...

2013-10-10 Thread Romain Manni-Bucau
I dont think it vetoes it, it is just not linked Le 11 oct. 2013 07:47, "Benedikt Ritter" a écrit : > I don't understand why "SCM isn't the biggest problem" causes people to > veto this change. > > Send from my mobile device > > > Am 11.10.2013 um 06:55 schrieb Romain Manni-Bucau >: > > > > Can

Re: [DISCUSS] Moving to Git...

2013-10-10 Thread Jörg Schaible
Benedikt Ritter wrote: > I don't understand why "SCM isn't the biggest problem" causes people to > veto this change. It's not a veto, it's a normal majority decision. - Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.ap

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