In spite of what was intended to be an out of channel email (thank you
gmail for deciding to change the email address, grr ;{)
I both recognize that these resources exist, think that they are not
appropriate for this channel, but think they ARE appropriate "in some other
channel". Given the number
On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Michael Shuler wrote:
> I won't reply to the obvious spam to hilight it any further, so new
> message..
>
> Could the mailing list moderator that approved the "client list" message
> identify themselves and possibly explain how that was seen as a valid
> message a
No replies, please.
This was resolved privately and was a simple mistake.
--
Kind regards,
Michael
On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 12:42 PM, Daryl Hawken
wrote:
> +1.
>
> On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 12:10 PM, Michael Shuler
> wrote:
>
> > I won't reply to the obvious spam to hilight it any further, so new
> > message..
> >
> > Could the mailing list moderator that approved the "client list" message
> > i
+1.
On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 12:10 PM, Michael Shuler
wrote:
> I won't reply to the obvious spam to hilight it any further, so new
> message..
>
> Could the mailing list moderator that approved the "client list" message
> identify themselves and possibly explain how that was seen as a valid
> mes
I won't reply to the obvious spam to hilight it any further, so new
message..
Could the mailing list moderator that approved the "client list" message
identify themselves and possibly explain how that was seen as a valid
message about the development of Apache Cassandra?
--
Kind regards,
Michael
On Mon, Nov 07, 2016 at 09:01:39AM +, Ross Gardler wrote:
> Because of the way we are structured from an operations point of view or is
> necessary to have s commit bit to be a PMC member. However, that doesn't mean
> one needs to commit code.
>
> A good PMC member looks after the health of
On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 11:57 AM, Chris Mattmann wrote:
> Yet you act like it's volunteer time that's preventing moderating a message
> through in 12 hours.
Here it is again, 12 hours. If we have a 12 hour SLA on moderation,
then you can remove me as a moderator; I can'
On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 11:51 AM, Gary Dusbabek wrote:
> I'm beginning to wonder if I'm the only one with moderator privs. Any other
> committer/PMCs interested?
You are not.
> Sorry, it's a chore to begin with and I've been traveling this week.
No need to be sorry.
--
Eric Evans
john.eric.ev.
ly. And this is also exactly what enables people to sound off on
> Twitter about a project, and loses the conversation that could have been had
> on Apache mailing lists. Kelly has been tweeting for days. I saw her tweets
> retweeted by someone in my feed, and yesterday asked her kindly t
ation members who have never committed a
line of code.
Ross
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Twitter: @rgardler
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From: Jonathan Haddad mailto:j...@jonhaddad.com>>
Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2016 11:47 PM
Subject: Re: Moderation
To: mailto:bo...@apache.org>>,
mailto:dev@cassandra.apac
It was nothing but an expression of my belief that Chris' excuses for his
inappropriate behaviour were wholly inadequate.
This is not an isolated incident; it is a pattern of behaviour, and excuses
do not cut it. Anything less than a wholesale acceptance of
inappropriateness, retraction, and comm
If this is your attempt to accept Chris' explanation, even if
you don't agree with it, then you have not quite succeeded.
If instead, this is your attempt to continue to heap fuel on
a fire, and be just as aggressive as you paint others to be, then
you have done quite well.
I don't expect that ot
people
>> who were communicating with her on Twitter – this was disappointing
>>as
>> they could have
>> done the same thing, and suggested Kelly come to the lists, Apache
>> Cassandra PMC or not.
>> 3. After 12 hours I checked back with K
d. Again, I
> asked Kelly why talk
> there, and why not just talk to the email list which is the canonical
> home for Apache Cassandra?
> She told me she sent the mail the prior night.
> 4. So of course I checked (after having already guessed it was stuck
> in moderation)
h several
> ASF members and even some Board members getting involved. Again, I asked
> Kelly why talk
> there, and why not just talk to the email list which is the canonical home
> for Apache Cassandra?
> She told me she sent the mail the prior night.
> 4. So of course I checked
sed it was stuck in
moderation) and yes it
was. What ensued was both frustration by my part and also email
conversation that was heated
on both sides. I felt swiped on by a few emails where I had good intentions
but I felt we were
wasting time debating whether we *should* moderate somethi
talk to the email list which is the canonical home for
Apache Cassandra?
She told me she sent the mail the prior night.
4. So of course I checked (after having already guessed it was stuck in
moderation) and yes it
was. What ensued was both frustration by my part and also email conversation
that
> > > On Nov 4, 2016, at 10:13 AM, Jason Brown
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > s/sis/is
> > > > >
> > > > >> On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 10:12 AM, Jason Brown
> > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Chris,
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Yes, I would like to be added, and here sis the
> ticket I
> > > filed:
> > > > >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-12858.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Thanks,
> > > > >>
> > > > >> -Jason
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 10:10 AM, Chris Mattmann
> > >
> > > > >> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> I have apmail karma and can add moderators.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Jason I can add you - please confirm you would like
> to
> > > be added. Did
> > > > you
> > > > >>> file the ticket - if so point me to it. If you
> > > haven't yet, no worries
> > > > I
> > > > >>> can still add you. Let me know. Thanks.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>> On 2016-11-04 09:54 (-0700), Jason Brown
> > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >>>> Gary,
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> I've just started looking into the moderator
> > > component due to this
> > > > >>> thread;
> > > > >>>> I admit I did not know about it before (my fault).
> > > Yes, I would like
> > > > to
> > > > >>> be
> > > > >>>> added. Apparently, I need to file an INFRA ticket
> > > (as per
> > > > >>>>
> > > https://www.apache.org/dev/committers.html#mailing-list-moderators
> ),
> > > > >>> which
> > > > >>>> I will do in the next few minutes.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> -Jason
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 9:51 AM, Gary Dusbabek
> > >
> > > > >>> wrote:
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>> I'm beginning to wonder if I'm the
> > > only one with moderator privs. Any
> > > > >>> other
> > > > >>>>> committer/PMCs interested?
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Sorry, it's a chore to begin with and
> > > I've been traveling this week.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Gary.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 3:47 PM, Chris Mattmann
> > >
> > > > >>>>> wrote:
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> Hi Folks,
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> Kelly Sommers sent a message to
> > > dev@cassandra and I'm trying to
> > > > >>> figure
> > > > >>>>>> out if it's in moderation.
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> Can the moderators speak up?
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> Cheers,
> > > > >>>>>> Chris
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
;> On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 10:10 AM, Chris Mattmann
> >
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> I have apmail karma and can add moderators.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Jason I can add you - please
hread;
> > >>>> I admit I did not know about it before (my fault).
> Yes, I would like
> > to
> > >>> be
> > >>>> added. Apparently, I need to file an INFRA ticket
> (as per
> > >>
; > >>>>
> > >>>> I've just started looking into the moderator
> component due to this
> > >>> thread;
> > >>>> I admit I did not know about it before (my fault).
> Yes, I would like
> > to
> > >>> be
> > >>>> added. Apparently, I need to file an INFRA ticket
> (as per
> > >>>>
> https://www.apache.org/dev/committers.html#mailing-list-moderators),
> > >>> which
> > >>>> I will do in the next few minutes.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> -Jason
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 9:51 AM, Gary Dusbabek
>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> I'm beginning to wonder if I'm the
> only one with moderator privs. Any
> > >>> other
> > >>>>> committer/PMCs interested?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Sorry, it's a chore to begin with and
> I've been traveling this week.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Gary.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 3:47 PM, Chris Mattmann
>
> > >>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> Hi Folks,
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Kelly Sommers sent a message to
> dev@cassandra and I'm trying to
> > >>> figure
> > >>>>>> out if it's in moderation.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Can the moderators speak up?
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Cheers,
> > >>>>>> Chris
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> >
>
; I admit I did not know about it before (my fault). Yes, I would
> like
> > to
> > >>> be
> > >>>> added. Apparently, I need to file an INFRA ticket (as per
> > >>>> https://www.apache.org/dev/committers.html#mailing-list-
> moderators),
> > >>> which
> > >>>> I will do in the next few minutes.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> -Jason
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 9:51 AM, Gary Dusbabek <
> gdusba...@gmail.com>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> I'm beginning to wonder if I'm the only one with moderator
> privs. Any
> > >>> other
> > >>>>> committer/PMCs interested?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Sorry, it's a chore to begin with and I've been traveling this
> week.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Gary.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 3:47 PM, Chris Mattmann <
> mattm...@apache.org>
> > >>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> Hi Folks,
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Kelly Sommers sent a message to dev@cassandra and I'm trying
> to
> > >>> figure
> > >>>>>> out if it's in moderation.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Can the moderators speak up?
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Cheers,
> > >>>>>> Chris
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> >
>
>
>
>
Sigh - sorry about breaking threading, the In-Reply-To header apparently
didn't get set when using "reply via your own mail client" from
lists.a.o. Luckily, it runs code from the Apache Pony Mail podling, so
hopefully we can fix it ourselves!
- Shane
gt;>>> I'm beginning to wonder if I'm the only one with moderator
privs. Any
> >>> other
> >>>>> committer/PMCs interested?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sorry, it's a chore to begin with and I've been traveling this
week.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Gary.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 3:47 PM, Chris Mattmann
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi Folks,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Kelly Sommers sent a message to dev@cassandra and I'm trying to
> >>> figure
> >>>>>> out if it's in moderation.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Can the moderators speak up?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>>> Chris
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
>
t; >>>> On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 9:51 AM, Gary Dusbabek
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> I'm beginning to wonder if I'm the only one with moderator privs.
Any
> >>> other
> >>>>> committer/PMCs interested?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sorry, it's a chore to begin with and I've been traveling this week.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Gary.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 3:47 PM, Chris Mattmann
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi Folks,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Kelly Sommers sent a message to dev@cassandra and I'm trying to
> >>> figure
> >>>>>> out if it's in moderation.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Can the moderators speak up?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>>> Chris
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
>
On 2016-11-04 14:52 (-0400), Jeff Beck wrote:
> Is there an easy place to get up to speed on all the ASF terms?
> Infra Karma, apmail, etc... I feel behind on understanding what is
> being talked about here.
Sure. Jake sent the glossary, but there are some other good starting
points to learn abo
;>>
> >>>> -Jason
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 9:51 AM, Gary Dusbabek
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> I'm beginning to wonder if I'm the only one with moderator privs. Any
> >>> other
> >>>>> committer/PMCs interested?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sorry, it's a chore to begin with and I've been traveling this week.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Gary.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 3:47 PM, Chris Mattmann
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi Folks,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Kelly Sommers sent a message to dev@cassandra and I'm trying to
> >>> figure
> >>>>>> out if it's in moderation.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Can the moderators speak up?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>>> Chris
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
>
ent due to this
> > thread;
> > >>>> I admit I did not know about it before (my fault). Yes, I would like
> > to be
> > >>>> added. Apparently, I need to file an INFRA ticket (as per
> > >>>> https://www.apache.org/dev/committers.html#m
>>>> https://www.apache.org/dev/committers.html#mailing-list-moderators),
> which
> >>>> I will do in the next few minutes.
> >>>>
> >>>> -Jason
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 9:51 AM, Gary Dusbabek
> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I'm beginning to wonder if I'm the only one with moderator privs.
> Any other
> >>>>> committer/PMCs interested?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sorry, it's a chore to begin with and I've been traveling this week.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Gary.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 3:47 PM, Chris Mattmann
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi Folks,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Kelly Sommers sent a message to dev@cassandra and I'm trying to
> figure
> >>>>>> out if it's in moderation.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Can the moderators speak up?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>>> Chris
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>
>
utes.
>>>>
>>>> -Jason
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 9:51 AM, Gary Dusbabek wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm beginning to wonder if I'm the only one with moderator privs. Any
>>>>> other
>>>>> committer/PMCs interested?
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry, it's a chore to begin with and I've been traveling this week.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gary.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 3:47 PM, Chris Mattmann
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Folks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kelly Sommers sent a message to dev@cassandra and I'm trying to figure
>>>>>> out if it's in moderation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can the moderators speak up?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>
; On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 9:51 AM, Gary Dusbabek wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I'm beginning to wonder if I'm the only one with moderator privs. Any
> >>> other
> >>> committer/PMCs interested?
> >>>
> >>> Sorry,
ek
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm beginning to wonder if I'm the only one with moderator privs. Any
>>> other
>>>>> committer/PMCs interested?
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry, it's a chore to begin with and I've been traveling this week.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gary.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 3:47 PM, Chris Mattmann
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Folks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kelly Sommers sent a message to dev@cassandra and I'm trying to
>>> figure
>>>>>> out if it's in moderation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can the moderators speak up?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
ote:
>>>
>>> I'm beginning to wonder if I'm the only one with moderator privs. Any other
>>> committer/PMCs interested?
>>>
>>> Sorry, it's a chore to begin with and I've been traveling this week.
>>>
>>> Gary.
>>>
>
, 2016 at 9:51 AM, Gary Dusbabek
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > > I'm beginning to wonder if I'm the only one with moderator privs. Any
>> other
>> > > committer/PMCs interested?
>> > >
>> > > Sorry, it's a chore to begin
t; > >
> > > Sorry, it's a chore to begin with and I've been traveling this week.
> > >
> > > Gary.
> > >
> > > On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 3:47 PM, Chris Mattmann
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Folks,
> > > >
> > > > Kelly Sommers sent a message to dev@cassandra and I'm trying to
> figure
> > > > out if it's in moderation.
> > > >
> > > > Can the moderators speak up?
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Chris
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
orry, it's a chore to begin with and I've been traveling this week.
> >
> > Gary.
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 3:47 PM, Chris Mattmann
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Folks,
> > >
> > > Kelly Sommers sent a message to dev@cassandra and I'm trying to figure
> > > out if it's in moderation.
> > >
> > > Can the moderators speak up?
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Chris
> > >
> > >
> >
>
his week.
>
> Gary.
>
> On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 3:47 PM, Chris Mattmann
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Folks,
> >
> > Kelly Sommers sent a message to dev@cassandra and I'm trying to figure
> > out if it's in moderation.
> >
> > Can the moderators speak up?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Chris
> >
> >
>
the
> > > first time? Is it that hard to figure out? Really?
> > >
> > > This is the definition of making things hard and not making them easy
> or
> > > friendly. And this is also exactly what enables people to sound off on
> > > Twitter about a
nt a message to dev@cassandra and I'm trying to figure
> out if it's in moderation.
>
> Can the moderators speak up?
>
> Cheers,
> Chris
>
>
t that hard to figure out? Really?
> >
> > This is the definition of making things hard and not making them easy or
> > friendly. And this is also exactly what enables people to sound off on
> > Twitter about a project, and loses the conversation that could have been
> > ha
ables people to sound off on
> Twitter about a project, and loses the conversation that could have been
> had on Apache mailing lists. Kelly has been tweeting for days. I saw her
> tweets retweeted by someone in my feed, and yesterday asked her kindly to
> bring her conversation t
e been had on Apache
mailing lists. Kelly has been tweeting for days. I saw her tweets retweeted by
someone in my feed, and yesterday asked her kindly to bring her conversation to
the list. 12 hours later it's still in moderation, and we are arguing whether
to f'ing moderate it through
Is the message in moderation because
1) it was sent by someone not registered with the list
2) some other reason (anti-spam etc)
If it is is case 1: Isn't the correct process to inform and encourage
someone list properly?
If it is case 2: Is there an expected ETA for list moderation e
erate the message through?
Sent from my iPhone
> On Nov 4, 2016, at 8:54 AM, Mark Thomas wrote:
>
>> On 04/11/2016 15:47, Chris Mattmann wrote:
>> Hi Folks,
>>
>> Kelly Sommers sent a message to dev@cassandra and I'm trying to figure out
>> if it'
On 04/11/2016 15:47, Chris Mattmann wrote:
> Hi Folks,
>
> Kelly Sommers sent a message to dev@cassandra and I'm trying to figure out if
> it's in moderation.
>
> Can the moderators speak up?
Using my infra karma, I checked the mail server. That message is waitin
Hi Folks,
Kelly Sommers sent a message to dev@cassandra and I'm trying to figure out if
it's in moderation.
Can the moderators speak up?
Cheers,
Chris
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