Re: Some annoying problems with ATi Radeon 7200!

2002-11-13 Thread Michel Dänzer
On Mit, 2002-11-13 at 23:30, Manuel Bilderbeek wrote: > Michel Dänzer wrote: > > On Die, 2002-11-12 at 20:41, Manuel Bilderbeek wrote: > >>How can it be so little while having 32MB of videoRAM? > > > > The amount of memory available for textures is the total amount of video > > RAM minus the amou

Re: Some annoying problems with ATi Radeon 7200!

2002-11-13 Thread Michel Dänzer
On Mit, 2002-11-13 at 23:30, Manuel Bilderbeek wrote: > Michel Dänzer wrote: > > On Die, 2002-11-12 at 20:41, Manuel Bilderbeek wrote: > >>How can it be so little while having 32MB of videoRAM? > > > > The amount of memory available for textures is the total amount of video > > RAM minus the amou

Re: Some annoying problems with ATi Radeon 7200!

2002-11-13 Thread Manuel Bilderbeek
Michel Dänzer wrote: On Die, 2002-11-12 at 20:41, Manuel Bilderbeek wrote: How can it be so little while having 32MB of videoRAM? The amount of memory available for textures is the total amount of video RAM minus the amount occupied by the front, back and depth buffers and the pixmap cache. In

Re: Some annoying problems with ATi Radeon 7200!

2002-11-13 Thread Manuel Bilderbeek
Michel Dänzer wrote: On Die, 2002-11-12 at 20:41, Manuel Bilderbeek wrote: How can it be so little while having 32MB of videoRAM? The amount of memory available for textures is the total amount of video RAM minus the amount occupied by the front, back and depth buffers and the pixmap cache. In

Re: Some annoying problems with ATi Radeon 7200!

2002-11-12 Thread Michel Dänzer
On Die, 2002-11-12 at 20:41, Manuel Bilderbeek wrote: > Michel Dänzer wrote: > >>(II) RADEON(0): Will use 2752 kb for textures at offset 0x1d5 > > > > That's very little indeed. > > How can it be so little while having 32MB of videoRAM? The amount of memory available for textures is the tota

Re: Some annoying problems with ATi Radeon 7200!

2002-11-12 Thread Michel Dänzer
On Die, 2002-11-12 at 20:41, Manuel Bilderbeek wrote: > Michel Dänzer wrote: > >>(II) RADEON(0): Will use 2752 kb for textures at offset 0x1d5 > > > > That's very little indeed. > > How can it be so little while having 32MB of videoRAM? The amount of memory available for textures is the tota

Re: Some annoying problems with ATi Radeon 7200!

2002-11-12 Thread Manuel Bilderbeek
Michel Dänzer wrote: (II) RADEON(0): Will use 2752 kb for textures at offset 0x1d5 That's very little indeed. How can it be so little while having 32MB of videoRAM? Why do almost all other GL apps work fine, even Return to Castle Wolfenstein and the Quake 3 Arena demo? I guess they need

Re: Some annoying problems with ATi Radeon 7200!

2002-11-12 Thread Manuel Bilderbeek
Michel Dänzer wrote: (II) RADEON(0): Will use 2752 kb for textures at offset 0x1d5 That's very little indeed. How can it be so little while having 32MB of videoRAM? Why do almost all other GL apps work fine, even Return to Castle Wolfenstein and the Quake 3 Arena demo? I guess they need

Re: Some annoying problems with ATi Radeon 7200!

2002-11-11 Thread Michel Dänzer
On Mon, 2002-11-11 at 19:48, Manuel Bilderbeek wrote: > Michel Dänzer wrote: > - Tux's right arm is still a bit white and so is the bottom of his feet > - Lots of these messages on the screen: radeonUploadTexImages: ran into > bound texture > >>> > >>>Hmm, I don't see that, maybe you

Re: Some annoying problems with ATi Radeon 7200!

2002-11-11 Thread Michel Dänzer
On Mon, 2002-11-11 at 19:48, Manuel Bilderbeek wrote: > Michel Dänzer wrote: > - Tux's right arm is still a bit white and so is the bottom of his feet > - Lots of these messages on the screen: radeonUploadTexImages: ran into > bound texture > >>> > >>>Hmm, I don't see that, maybe you

Re: Some annoying problems with ATi Radeon 7200!

2002-11-11 Thread Manuel Bilderbeek
Michel Dänzer wrote: - Tux's right arm is still a bit white and so is the bottom of his feet - Lots of these messages on the screen: radeonUploadTexImages: ran into bound texture Hmm, I don't see that, maybe you're still low on texture memory? grep 'for textures' /var/log/XFree86.0.log (II)

Re: Some annoying problems with ATi Radeon 7200!

2002-11-11 Thread Manuel Bilderbeek
Michel Dänzer wrote: - Tux's right arm is still a bit white and so is the bottom of his feet - Lots of these messages on the screen: radeonUploadTexImages: ran into bound texture Hmm, I don't see that, maybe you're still low on texture memory? grep 'for textures' /var/log/XFree86.0.log (II) R

Re: Some annoying problems with ATi Radeon 7200!

2002-11-10 Thread Michel Dänzer
On Son, 2002-11-10 at 00:39, Manuel Bilderbeek wrote: > Michel Dänzer wrote: > > >>- Tux's right arm is still a bit white and so is the bottom of his feet > >>- Lots of these messages on the screen: radeonUploadTexImages: ran into > >>bound texture > > > > Hmm, I don't see that, maybe you're s

Re: Some annoying problems with ATi Radeon 7200!

2002-11-10 Thread Michel Dänzer
On Son, 2002-11-10 at 00:39, Manuel Bilderbeek wrote: > Michel Dänzer wrote: > > >>- Tux's right arm is still a bit white and so is the bottom of his feet > >>- Lots of these messages on the screen: radeonUploadTexImages: ran into > >>bound texture > > > > Hmm, I don't see that, maybe you're s

Re: Some annoying problems with ATi Radeon 7200!

2002-11-09 Thread Manuel Bilderbeek
Michel Dänzer wrote: On Sam, 2002-11-09 at 18:23, Manuel Bilderbeek wrote: What problems exactly? Note that it is slow in depth 24, and it shows some incorrect rendering unless RADEON_TCL_FORCE_DISABLE=1 is set. This doesn't really make a difference. The problems are: - Every about 0.4 second

Re: Some annoying problems with ATi Radeon 7200!

2002-11-09 Thread Michel Dänzer
On Sam, 2002-11-09 at 18:23, Manuel Bilderbeek wrote: > > >>Most debug messages are gone now (e.g. when dragging the > >>glxgears window), but the problems with Tuxracer remain. > > > > What problems exactly? Note that it is slow in depth 24, and it shows > > some incorrect rendering unless RADEO

Re: Some annoying problems with ATi Radeon 7200!

2002-11-09 Thread Manuel Bilderbeek
Michel Dänzer wrote: On Sam, 2002-11-09 at 18:23, Manuel Bilderbeek wrote: What problems exactly? Note that it is slow in depth 24, and it shows some incorrect rendering unless RADEON_TCL_FORCE_DISABLE=1 is set. This doesn't really make a difference. The problems are: - Every about 0.4 seconds

Re: Some annoying problems with ATi Radeon 7200!

2002-11-09 Thread Michel Dänzer
On Sam, 2002-11-09 at 18:23, Manuel Bilderbeek wrote: > > >>Most debug messages are gone now (e.g. when dragging the > >>glxgears window), but the problems with Tuxracer remain. > > > > What problems exactly? Note that it is slow in depth 24, and it shows > > some incorrect rendering unless RADEO

Re: Some annoying problems with ATi Radeon 7200!

2002-11-09 Thread Manuel Bilderbeek
Michel Dänzer wrote: Hmm, might be caused by some cruft left over in the postinst. Cleaning that up for the next version. OK, I'm doing a dist-upgrade everyday, so I guess I'll see it coming then. I downgraded the xserver-xfree86-dri-trunk package, which solved the problem. Ah, this might b

Re: Some annoying problems with ATi Radeon 7200!

2002-11-09 Thread Manuel Bilderbeek
Michel Dänzer wrote: Hmm, might be caused by some cruft left over in the postinst. Cleaning that up for the next version. OK, I'm doing a dist-upgrade everyday, so I guess I'll see it coming then. I downgraded the xserver-xfree86-dri-trunk package, which solved the problem. Ah, this might be

Re: Some annoying problems with ATi Radeon 7200!

2002-11-09 Thread Michel Dänzer
On Sam, 2002-11-09 at 13:29, Manuel Bilderbeek wrote: > Setting up xserver-xfree86-dri-trunk (2002.11.06-1) ... > Argument "180=" isn't numeric in numeric lt (<) at > /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/FrontEnd/Dialog.pm line 25. Hmm, might be caused by some cruft left over in the postinst. Cleaning that u

Re: Some annoying problems with ATi Radeon 7200!

2002-11-09 Thread Manuel Bilderbeek
Michel Dänzer wrote: >> > - TuxRacer: Tux looks white! >> >>Hah! Tux looks normal now! >>However, still problems with Tuxracer: with the new drivers, the game >>slows down incredibly about every second. It seems to go smoooth, almost >>stops then, continues smoothly then, almost stop

Re: Some annoying problems with ATi Radeon 7200!

2002-11-09 Thread Michel Dänzer
On Sam, 2002-11-09 at 13:29, Manuel Bilderbeek wrote: > Setting up xserver-xfree86-dri-trunk (2002.11.06-1) ... > Argument "180=" isn't numeric in numeric lt (<) at > /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/FrontEnd/Dialog.pm line 25. Hmm, might be caused by some cruft left over in the postinst. Cleaning that u

Re: Some annoying problems with ATi Radeon 7200!

2002-11-09 Thread Manuel Bilderbeek
Michel Dänzer wrote: >> > - TuxRacer: Tux looks white! >> >>Hah! Tux looks normal now! >>However, still problems with Tuxracer: with the new drivers, the game >>slows down incredibly about every second. It seems to go smoooth, almost >>stops then, continues smoothly then, almost stops

Re: Some annoying problems with ATi Radeon 7200!

2002-11-08 Thread Michel Dänzer
On Fre, 2002-11-08 at 20:25, Manuel Bilderbeek wrote: > Michel Dänzer wrote: > > On Don, 2002-11-07 at 22:11, Manuel Bilderbeek wrote: > > > >>Michel Dänzer wrote: > > kernel-image-2.4.19-k7 also contains some DRM modules, use > > --force-overwrite . > > OK, I did it! > > And, I have 3D

Re: Some annoying problems with ATi Radeon 7200!

2002-11-08 Thread Michel Dänzer
On Fre, 2002-11-08 at 20:25, Manuel Bilderbeek wrote: > Michel Dänzer wrote: > > On Don, 2002-11-07 at 22:11, Manuel Bilderbeek wrote: > > > >>Michel Dänzer wrote: > > kernel-image-2.4.19-k7 also contains some DRM modules, use > > --force-overwrite . > > OK, I did it! > > And, I have 3D

Re: Some annoying problems with ATi Radeon 7200!

2002-11-08 Thread Manuel Bilderbeek
Michel Dänzer wrote: > On Don, 2002-11-07 at 22:11, Manuel Bilderbeek wrote: > >>Michel Dänzer wrote: > kernel-image-2.4.19-k7 also contains some DRM modules, use > --force-overwrite . OK, I did it! And, I have 3D again! :-) Now, coming back to my previous problems (I only did a quick test

Re: Some annoying problems with ATi Radeon 7200!

2002-11-08 Thread Manuel Bilderbeek
Michel Dänzer wrote: > On Don, 2002-11-07 at 22:11, Manuel Bilderbeek wrote: > >>Michel Dänzer wrote: > kernel-image-2.4.19-k7 also contains some DRM modules, use > --force-overwrite . OK, I did it! And, I have 3D again! :-) Now, coming back to my previous problems (I only did a quick test t

Re: Some annoying problems with ATi Radeon 7200!

2002-11-07 Thread Michel Dänzer
On Don, 2002-11-07 at 22:11, Manuel Bilderbeek wrote: > Michel Dänzer wrote: > > goemon:/usr/src# dpkg -i > drm-trunk-module-2.4.19-k7_10.00.Custom+2002.10.02-1_i386.deb > (Reading database ... 88700 files and directories currently installed.) > Unpacking drm-trunk-module-2.4.19-k7 (from > drm-tru

Re: Some annoying problems with ATi Radeon 7200!

2002-11-07 Thread Michel Dänzer
On Don, 2002-11-07 at 22:11, Manuel Bilderbeek wrote: > Michel Dänzer wrote: > > goemon:/usr/src# dpkg -i > drm-trunk-module-2.4.19-k7_10.00.Custom+2002.10.02-1_i386.deb > (Reading database ... 88700 files and directories currently installed.) > Unpacking drm-trunk-module-2.4.19-k7 (from > drm-tru

Re: Some annoying problems with ATi Radeon 7200!

2002-11-07 Thread Manuel Bilderbeek
Michel Dänzer wrote: > On Mit, 2002-11-06 at 21:17, Manuel Bilderbeek wrote: > >>goemon:~> glxgears >>Radeon DRI driver: >> Compatibility mode for DRM driver version 1.1.1 >> TCL will be disabled, expect reduced performance >> (prefer DRM radeon.o 1.3.x or newer) >>

Re: Some annoying problems with ATi Radeon 7200!

2002-11-07 Thread Manuel Bilderbeek
Michel Dänzer wrote: > On Mit, 2002-11-06 at 21:17, Manuel Bilderbeek wrote: > >>goemon:~> glxgears >>Radeon DRI driver: >> Compatibility mode for DRM driver version 1.1.1 >> TCL will be disabled, expect reduced performance >> (prefer DRM radeon.o 1.3.x or newer) >>

Re: Some annoying problems with ATi Radeon 7200!

2002-11-06 Thread Michel Dänzer
On Mit, 2002-11-06 at 21:17, Manuel Bilderbeek wrote: > > goemon:~> glxgears > Radeon DRI driver: > Compatibility mode for DRM driver version 1.1.1 > TCL will be disabled, expect reduced performance > (prefer DRM radeon.o 1.3.x or newer) > disabling TCL support

Re: Some annoying problems with ATi Radeon 7200!

2002-11-06 Thread Manuel Bilderbeek
Hi again, Michel Dänzer wrote: >>I configed it more than one time and I can't remember that debconf asked >>me about FBDev... > > Maybe it's a low priority question, otherwise it's probably autodetected > from /proc/fb . Could be, but my /proc/fb is empty. >>However, I have serious problems wit

Re: Some annoying problems with ATi Radeon 7200!

2002-11-06 Thread Michel Dänzer
On Mit, 2002-11-06 at 21:17, Manuel Bilderbeek wrote: > > goemon:~> glxgears > Radeon DRI driver: > Compatibility mode for DRM driver version 1.1.1 > TCL will be disabled, expect reduced performance > (prefer DRM radeon.o 1.3.x or newer) > disabling TCL support

Re: Some annoying problems with ATi Radeon 7200!

2002-11-06 Thread Manuel Bilderbeek
Hi again, Michel Dänzer wrote: >>I configed it more than one time and I can't remember that debconf asked >>me about FBDev... > > Maybe it's a low priority question, otherwise it's probably autodetected > from /proc/fb . Could be, but my /proc/fb is empty. >>However, I have serious problems with

Re: Some annoying problems with ATi Radeon 7200!

2002-11-05 Thread Michel Dänzer
On Die, 2002-11-05 at 21:18, Manuel Bilderbeek wrote: > > Michel Dänzer wrote: > >>I'm running X at [EMAIL PROTECTED] My XFree86-4 is config'ed with > >>debconf (except that I removed the Use FBdev stuff that is put there by > >>default). > > > > I don't think it is unless you told it to. >

Re: Some annoying problems with ATi Radeon 7200!

2002-11-05 Thread Manuel Bilderbeek
Branden wrote: I don't think it is the cable, since: 1) I used the original cable that came with my Iyama A902MT monitor, which is brand new 2) the problem only occurs in X, not in textmode or in Windows (sorry for that) Those don't necessarily rule out signal degradation. 1) Iiyama may have

Re: Some annoying problems with ATi Radeon 7200!

2002-11-05 Thread Michel Dänzer
On Die, 2002-11-05 at 21:18, Manuel Bilderbeek wrote: > > Michel Dänzer wrote: > >>I'm running X at 1600x1200x32@85Hz. My XFree86-4 is config'ed with > >>debconf (except that I removed the Use FBdev stuff that is put there by > >>default). > > > > I don't think it is unless you told it to. >

Re: Some annoying problems with ATi Radeon 7200!

2002-11-05 Thread Manuel Bilderbeek
Hi, Michel Dänzer wrote: >>I'm running X at [EMAIL PROTECTED] My XFree86-4 is config'ed with >>debconf (except that I removed the Use FBdev stuff that is put there by >>default). > > I don't think it is unless you told it to. I configed it more than one time and I can't remember that debconf ask

Re: Some annoying problems with ATi Radeon 7200!

2002-11-05 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, Nov 04, 2002 at 09:22:15PM +0100, Manuel Bilderbeek wrote: > Blars Blarson wrote: > >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > >[ghosting] > > > >This is usually caused by a problem with your monitor or the cable to > >it. If you can, try a different (shorter and/or higher

Re: Some annoying problems with ATi Radeon 7200!

2002-11-05 Thread Manuel Bilderbeek
Branden wrote: I don't think it is the cable, since: 1) I used the original cable that came with my Iyama A902MT monitor, which is brand new 2) the problem only occurs in X, not in textmode or in Windows (sorry for that) Those don't necessarily rule out signal degradation. 1) Iiyama may have g

Re: Some annoying problems with ATi Radeon 7200!

2002-11-05 Thread Manuel Bilderbeek
Hi, Michel Dänzer wrote: >>I'm running X at 1600x1200x32@85Hz. My XFree86-4 is config'ed with >>debconf (except that I removed the Use FBdev stuff that is put there by >>default). > > I don't think it is unless you told it to. I configed it more than one time and I can't remember that debconf ask

Re: Some annoying problems with ATi Radeon 7200!

2002-11-05 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, Nov 04, 2002 at 09:22:15PM +0100, Manuel Bilderbeek wrote: > Blars Blarson wrote: > >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > >[ghosting] > > > >This is usually caused by a problem with your monitor or the cable to > >it. If you can, try a different (shorter and/or higher

Re: Some annoying problems with ATi Radeon 7200!

2002-11-04 Thread Michel Dänzer
On Mon, 2002-11-04 at 20:38, Manuel Bilderbeek wrote: > > I'm running testing (always upgraded to the newest packages). I have an > Athlon XP 1600+ with VIA K7T266 Pro 2 mainboard and an ATI Radeon SDR > 32MB AGP videocard (I think that is now called the Radeon 7200). > I'm running X at [EMAIL P

Re: Some annoying problems with ATi Radeon 7200!

2002-11-04 Thread Michel Dänzer
On Mon, 2002-11-04 at 20:38, Manuel Bilderbeek wrote: > > I'm running testing (always upgraded to the newest packages). I have an > Athlon XP 1600+ with VIA K7T266 Pro 2 mainboard and an ATI Radeon SDR > 32MB AGP videocard (I think that is now called the Radeon 7200). > I'm running X at 1600x120

Re: Some annoying problems with ATi Radeon 7200!

2002-11-04 Thread Manuel Bilderbeek
Stephen Depooter wrote: On Mon, 2002-11-04 at 14:38, Manuel Bilderbeek wrote: Problem 2: == This is regarding 3D. The 3D acceleration seems to work fine, but there are minor problems: - TuxRacer: Tux looks white! Something is wrong with the colors of the Tux character in this game, on

Re: Some annoying problems with ATi Radeon 7200!

2002-11-04 Thread Stephen Depooter
On Mon, 2002-11-04 at 14:38, Manuel Bilderbeek wrote: > Problem 2: > == > This is regarding 3D. The 3D acceleration seems to work fine, but there > are minor problems: > - TuxRacer: Tux looks white! Something is wrong with the colors of the > Tux character in this game, only the shadows o

Re: Some annoying problems with ATi Radeon 7200!

2002-11-04 Thread Manuel Bilderbeek
Blars Blarson wrote: In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [ghosting] This is usually caused by a problem with your monitor or the cable to it. If you can, try a different (shorter and/or higher quality) cable. If you are using a switch box, try without. This problem may be

Re: Some annoying problems with ATi Radeon 7200!

2002-11-04 Thread Manuel Bilderbeek
Stephen Depooter wrote: On Mon, 2002-11-04 at 14:38, Manuel Bilderbeek wrote: Problem 2: == This is regarding 3D. The 3D acceleration seems to work fine, but there are minor problems: - TuxRacer: Tux looks white! Something is wrong with the colors of the Tux character in this game, onl

Re: Some annoying problems with ATi Radeon 7200!

2002-11-04 Thread Blars Blarson
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >Since I bought my computer and installed Debian, I have been >experiencing some weird problems in X... >Problem 1: [ghosting] This is usually caused by a problem with your monitor or the cable to it. If you can, try a different (shorter

Re: Some annoying problems with ATi Radeon 7200!

2002-11-04 Thread Stephen Depooter
On Mon, 2002-11-04 at 14:38, Manuel Bilderbeek wrote: > Problem 2: > == > This is regarding 3D. The 3D acceleration seems to work fine, but there > are minor problems: > - TuxRacer: Tux looks white! Something is wrong with the colors of the > Tux character in this game, only the shadows o

Some annoying problems with ATi Radeon 7200!

2002-11-04 Thread Manuel Bilderbeek
Hi! Since I bought my computer and installed Debian, I have been experiencing some weird problems in X... I hope this is the right mailinglist to post this to I hoped XFree86 4.2.1 would solve some of them, but my hope was in vain: nothing changed after upgrading my 4.1.0 to 4.2.1 yesterda

Re: Some annoying problems with ATi Radeon 7200!

2002-11-04 Thread Manuel Bilderbeek
Blars Blarson wrote: In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [ghosting] This is usually caused by a problem with your monitor or the cable to it. If you can, try a different (shorter and/or higher quality) cable. If you are using a switch box, try without. This problem may be

Re: Some annoying problems with ATi Radeon 7200!

2002-11-04 Thread Blars Blarson
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >Since I bought my computer and installed Debian, I have been >experiencing some weird problems in X... >Problem 1: [ghosting] This is usually caused by a problem with your monitor or the cable to it. If you can, try a different (shorter

Some annoying problems with ATi Radeon 7200!

2002-11-04 Thread Manuel Bilderbeek
Hi! Since I bought my computer and installed Debian, I have been experiencing some weird problems in X... I hope this is the right mailinglist to post this to I hoped XFree86 4.2.1 would solve some of them, but my hope was in vain: nothing changed after upgrading my 4.1.0 to 4.2.1 yesterday