Re: Concern about racism and sexism in Supertuxkart 0.9

I am devastated. In trying to understand the role of sexism in the game community, I have discovered that this is not an isolated issue of this game: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexism_in_video_gaming https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamergate_controversy According to the press and other article

Re: Concern about racism and sexism in Supertuxkart 0.9

Vincent Lejeune writes: > […] > > It's not only Nintendo : I don't remember Nickelodeon shows that > display sexualised (even lightly) content. I don't know all of their > show though and they target a younger audience than STK. This is off topic, but you may need to watch iCarly:

Re: Concern about racism and sexism in Supertuxkart 0.9

On 05/03/2015 12:24 PM, suso.bale...@gmail.com wrote: > I am devastated. > > In trying to understand the role of sexism in the game community, I > have discovered that this is not an isolated issue of this game: Maybe you didn't notice, but Debian is *not* a gaming community. > https://en.wiki

Re: Concern about racism and sexism in Supertuxkart 0.9

2015-05-03 12:24 GMT+02:00 : > I am devastated. > > In trying to understand the role of sexism in the game community, I have > discovered that this is not an isolated issue of this game: No, it is certainly not, and it's not even exclusive of video games. It kind of extends throughout many other

Re: Concern about racism and sexism in Supertuxkart 0.9

Miriam Ruiz escrebeu: > 2015-05-03 12:24 GMT+02:00 : > > I am devastated. > > > > In trying to understand the role of sexism in the game community, I have > > discovered that this is not an isolated issue of this game: > > No, it is certainly not, and it's not even exclusive of video games. > It

Re: Concern about racism and sexism in Supertuxkart 0.9

On 3 May 2015 at 14:40, Dmitry Smirnov wrote: > > Freedom is about as little censorship as possible (except extreme cases). > Freedom is what we should be protecting even if it leaves someone offended. > That is the price and it is just not possible to please everybody with > censorship. Whose F

Re: Claims of racism and sexism in Supertuxkart 0.9 on Debian mailing lists

Dear Zlatan, Have you realized how aggresive and inappropriate your reply to your colleague ist? Let me recall, please, this time read carefully: > iammyr escreveu: > > *I am* a woman and as a woman I can tell you that when I was > growing up I was mad for characters I could recognise myself >

Re: Concern about racism and sexism in Supertuxkart 0.9

Vincent Lejeune escrebeu: > Le 3 mai 2015 01:36, "Ansgar Burchardt" a écrit : > > > > Hi Vincent, > > > > your comparison with Mario Kart as a family-friendly game and just > > having looked a bit at the PEGI rating system[1] made me wonder: > > > > [1] > >

Re: Concern about racism and sexism in Supertuxkart 0.9

Vincent Lejeune writes: > > I attached the patches in the mail. > remove_sara_pants_animation.patch can be aplied on 0.8.1 (which is > already shipping in debian testing). > The others 2 removes the monkeys in cocoa_temple and the women in > bikini in gran paradisio island. Please submit these t

Re: Concern about racism and sexism in Supertuxkart 0.9

Vincent Lejeune writes: > Le 3 mai 2015 01:36, "Ansgar Burchardt" a écrit : >> >> Hi Vincent, >> >> your comparison with Mario Kart as a family-friendly game and just >> having looked a bit at the PEGI rating system[1] made me wonder: >> >> [1] >> >> Most

Re: Concern about racism and sexism in Supertuxkart 0.9

From: Marko Lindqvist > There's absolutely no point in accepting sexism to Debian. In this > particular case I don't claim to know yet if there is sexism involved, > or are the accusations false - at least there has been multiple > statements about how the said character is much more than just th

Re: Concern about racism and sexism in Supertuxkart 0.9

2015-05-03 18:40 GMT+02:00 Gaudenz Steinlin : > Vincent Lejeune writes: > >> Le 3 mai 2015 01:36, "Ansgar Burchardt" a écrit : >>> >>> Hi Vincent, >>> >>> your comparison with Mario Kart as a family-friendly game and just >>> having looked a bit at the PEGI rating system[1] made me wonder: >>> >>

Re: Concern about racism and sexism in Supertuxkart 0.9

Somebody mentioned that there are no human male characters in the game. That changes things. I can no longer believe the character Sara to be harmless. If the only human character is a female in a bikini, and she appears 8 times around the track, then it is a deliberate addition to the game serv

Re: Concern about racism and sexism in Supertuxkart 0.9

Zlatan Todoric escreveu: > And I am very much offended by your and others constant implications > of "white male heterosexuals" as we are somekind freaks of nature > and everyone else is so good. If this is what my words have at any point meant, then please let me ask for sincere apologies to all

Re: Concern about racism and sexism in Supertuxkart 0.9

Catherine Gramze mac.com> writes: > Somebody mentioned that there are no human male characters in the game. That changes things. I can no longer > believe the character Sara to be harmless. As already mentioned by the developers themselves in this very thread, the "human male character" didn't m

Re: Concern about racism and sexism in Supertuxkart 0.9

On 3 May 2015 at 19:29, Vincent Lejeune wrote: > From: Marko Lindqvist >> There's absolutely no point in accepting sexism to Debian. In this >> particular case I don't claim to know yet if there is sexism involved, >> or are the accusations false - at least there has been multiple >> statements

Re: Concern about racism and sexism in Supertuxkart 0.9

Letna inbox.com> writes: > > Catherine Gramze mac.com> writes: > > Somebody mentioned that there are no human male characters in the game. > That changes things. I can no longer > > believe the character Sara to be harmless. > > As already mentioned by the developers themselves in this very th

Re: Concern about racism and sexism in Supertuxkart 0.9

> On May 3, 2015, at 1:37 PM, Letna wrote: > > Catherine Gramze mac.com> writes: >> Somebody mentioned that there are no human male characters in the game. > That changes things. I can no longer >> believe the character Sara to be harmless. > > > As already mentioned by the developers themse

Re: Concern about racism and sexism in Supertuxkart 0.9

2015-05-03 19:46 GMT+02:00 Letna : > Woops forgot the link > > [1] http://forum.freegamedev.net/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=6325 That was posted 2 days ago ("01 May 2015, 20:54"). It's kind of suspicious (all this discussion started the 28th of April). Honestly, from outside at least, it seems like some

Re: Concern about racism and sexism in Supertuxkart 0.9

Catherine Gramze mac.com> writes: > Will this future male character have a video clip exposing his underwear while he flexes his muscles? Will > he appear on the track sideline 8 times? Will he be a playable character, still in his swimsuit? And why is > his swimsuit not a Speedo, if a bikini is t

Re: Concern about racism and sexism in Supertuxkart 0.9

2015-05-03 20:31 GMT+02:00 Letna : > I see from your comment that (as many in this thread), you haven't played > the game. This is a video depicting Sara and her kart [1], far far > different from your allusive description. > > [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAgyfnuc9FQ That seems to be two

Re: Concern about racism and sexism in Supertuxkart 0.9

> On May 3, 2015, at 2:18 PM, Miriam Ruiz wrote: > > > I haven't talked with upstream myself (and I don't really have plans > to do so), but I've seen some IRC logs and I don't have the feeling > that they might be very sensitive to these issues. In fact, I see a > potential problem that they m

Re: Concern about racism and sexism in Supertuxkart 0.9

Miriam Ruiz debian.org> writes: > > 2015-05-03 19:46 GMT+02:00 Letna inbox.com>: > > Woops forgot the link > > > > [1] http://forum.freegamedev.net/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=6325 > > That was posted 2 days ago ("01 May 2015, 20:54"). It's kind of > suspicious (all this discussion started the 28th o

Re: Concern about racism and sexism in Supertuxkart 0.9

2015-05-03 20:29 GMT+02:00 Catherine Gramze : > I agree that talking to upstream is unlikely to help. If they thought > replacing a neutral character with Sara was a good idea then they are not > likely to see any issues with Sara. They like her and want her in the game. I > think they will con

Re: Concern about racism and sexism in Supertuxkart 0.9

2015-05-03 20:49 GMT+02:00 Letna : > I frankly consider this thread quizzical: first there were accusation > of racism and sexism, then the racism accusation was dropped (after > a message by a Mexican Debian Developer), then the request was to shield > children from naked skin and lastly the thre

Re: Concern about racism and sexism in Supertuxkart 0.9

> On May 3, 2015, at 2:31 PM, Letna wrote: > > > I see from your comment that (as many in this thread), you haven't played > the game. This is a video depicting Sara and her kart [1], far far > different from your allusive description. > > [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAgyfnuc9FQ >

Re: Concern about racism and sexism in Supertuxkart 0.9

Miriam Ruiz escrebeu: > 2015-05-03 20:29 GMT+02:00 Catherine Gramze : > > > I agree that talking to upstream is unlikely to help. If they thought > > replacing a neutral character with Sara was a good idea then they are not > > likely to see any issues with Sara. They like her and want her in th

About Supertuxkart 0.9

I've been talking with STK developers this afternoon. They are nice and collaborative, and we have had an interesting chat. I plan to make a new blog post about it, but it was a friendly approach and they are nice people. Meanwhile, for the sake of completeness of information, this is a screenshot

Re: Concern about racism and sexism in Supertuxkart 0.9

Quoting Marko Lindqvist (cazf...@gmail.com): > 1) I said I wait debian-women to evaluate the whole situation. As far > as I know you have not been designated to speak on their behalf. > 2) I didn't claim there's no occurrences where Sara appears in > bikinis. I said that there can be bikinis wit