Re: Let's vote ...

2006-09-22 Thread Bastian Blank
On Fri, Sep 22, 2006 at 09:11:02PM +0200, Frederik Schueler wrote: > On Fri, Sep 22, 2006 at 10:45:34AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > > come to an agreement about what exactly in that email > > constitutes the actual general resolution? I second the following GR. -BEGIN PGP SIGNE

Re: Let's vote ...

2006-09-22 Thread Sven Luther
On Fri, Sep 22, 2006 at 09:11:02PM +0200, Frederik Schueler wrote: > Hi, > > On Fri, Sep 22, 2006 at 10:45:34AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > > come to an agreement about what exactly in that email > > constitutes the actual general resolution? > > This: > > 1. We affirm that our Pr

Re: Let's vote ...

2006-09-22 Thread Frederik Schueler
Hi, On Fri, Sep 22, 2006 at 10:45:34AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > come to an agreement about what exactly in that email > constitutes the actual general resolution? This: 1. We affirm that our Priorities are our users and the free software

Re: Let's vote ...

2006-09-22 Thread Sven Luther
On Fri, Sep 22, 2006 at 10:45:34AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Hi, > > Could the proposers or sponsors of the amendment > , > | From: Frederik Schueler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > | Subject: kernel firmwares: GR proposal > | To: debian-vote@lists.debian.org > | Message-ID: <[EMAIL PRO

Re: Let's vote ...

2006-09-22 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, Could the proposers or sponsors of the amendment , | From: Frederik Schueler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | Subject: kernel firmwares: GR proposal | To: debian-vote@lists.debian.org | Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ` come to an agreement about what exactly in that email cons

Re: Let's vote ...

2006-09-22 Thread Sven Luther
On Fri, Sep 22, 2006 at 02:40:04AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Hi, > On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 07:21:12 +0200, Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > > This issue remains, and it is still not solved. This has got the > > approval of Steve Langasek (who said that his proposal and this > > where

Re: Let's vote ...

2006-09-22 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 07:21:12 +0200, Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > This issue remains, and it is still not solved. This has got the > approval of Steve Langasek (who said that his proposal and this > where orthogonal and a separate GR), of our DPL, who said he would > postpone his ow

Re: Let's vote ... (Was: kernel firmwares: GR proposal)

2006-09-21 Thread Sven Luther
Manoj, ... This issue remains, and it is still not solved. This has got the approval of Steve Langasek (who said that his proposal and this where orthogonal and a separate GR), of our DPL, who said he would postpone his own GR proposal for post etch, as well as the proposer of this GR. There also

Re: Let's vote ...

2006-09-08 Thread Marco d'Itri
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >I am concerned with including in Debian firmwares whose license >reduce the usefulness of Debian through obnoxious clauses >that would also affect people that do not need the firwmare >in the first place (e.g. by restricting distribution or use of packaging >embedding the

Re: Let's vote ...

2006-09-07 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, Sep 07, 2006 at 01:51:12PM -0500, Bill Allombert wrote: > Hello GR proponents, > > before we vote I would very much appreciate example of firmware > that would be affected by your proposal (and how). > > I already asked for something similar without answer in August. > > I am concerned

Re: Let's vote ...

2006-09-07 Thread Bill Allombert
Hello GR proponents, before we vote I would very much appreciate example of firmware that would be affected by your proposal (and how). I already asked for something similar without answer in August. I am concerned with including in Debian firmwares whose license reduce the usefulness of Debian

Re: Let's vote ... (Was: kernel firmwares: GR proposal)

2006-09-06 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Sep 06, 2006 at 10:56:58PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > On Wed, Sep 06, 2006 at 09:03:14AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 06, 2006 at 12:11:08PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > > > On Tue, Sep 05, 2006 at 05:54:25PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > > > > We are quickly reaching the poi

Re: Let's vote ... (Was: kernel firmwares: GR proposal)

2006-09-06 Thread Anthony Towns
On Wed, Sep 06, 2006 at 09:03:14AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > On Wed, Sep 06, 2006 at 12:11:08PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 05, 2006 at 05:54:25PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > > > We are quickly reaching the point where holding a vote on this issue and > > > still > > > maintainin

Re: Let's vote ... (Was: kernel firmwares: GR proposal)

2006-09-06 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Sep 06, 2006 at 12:11:08PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > On Tue, Sep 05, 2006 at 05:54:25PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > > We are quickly reaching the point where holding a vote on this issue and > > still > > maintaining a timely etch release, so i believe that we should held a vote > > o

Re: Let's vote ... (Was: kernel firmwares: GR proposal)

2006-09-05 Thread Anthony Towns
On Tue, Sep 05, 2006 at 05:54:25PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > We are quickly reaching the point where holding a vote on this issue and still > maintaining a timely etch release, so i believe that we should held a vote on > this issue sooner rather than later. > This GR, which was seen by Steve as

Re: Let's vote ...

2006-09-05 Thread Frank Küster
Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I thus propose that we held a vote ASAP, a real vote, not a poll, about what > we are going to do about etch : > > 1) postpone the non-free firmware issue as proposed in this GR proposal. > 2) delay etch until we finish discussing this issue and then im

Re: Draft for a non-fee poll (Was: Re: Let's vote already...)

2004-01-11 Thread Sven Luther
On Sun, Jan 11, 2004 at 11:40:06AM -0500, Raul Miller wrote: > On Sun, Jan 11, 2004 at 05:09:36PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > > Mmm, i didn't see any December 29 proposal. > > http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2003/debian-vote-200312/msg00044.html Ah, ok, sure. I thought that proposals should

Re: Draft for a non-fee poll (Was: Re: Let's vote already...)

2004-01-11 Thread Sven Luther
On Sun, Jan 11, 2004 at 11:40:06AM -0500, Raul Miller wrote: > On Sun, Jan 11, 2004 at 05:09:36PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > > Mmm, i didn't see any December 29 proposal. > > http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2003/debian-vote-200312/msg00044.html Ah, ok, sure. I thought that proposals should

Re: Draft for a non-fee poll (Was: Re: Let's vote already...)

2004-01-11 Thread Raul Miller
On Sun, Jan 11, 2004 at 05:09:36PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > Mmm, i didn't see any December 29 proposal. http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2003/debian-vote-200312/msg00044.html -- Raul

Re: Draft for a non-fee poll (Was: Re: Let's vote already...)

2004-01-11 Thread Sven Luther
On Sat, Jan 10, 2004 at 09:54:51PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: > On Sat, Jan 10, 2004 at 10:08:01PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > > On Sat, Jan 10, 2004 at 07:11:50PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: > > > On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 01:26:30PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > > > > Since the non-free GR and t

Re: Draft for a non-fee poll (Was: Re: Let's vote already...)

2004-01-11 Thread Raul Miller
On Sun, Jan 11, 2004 at 05:09:36PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > Mmm, i didn't see any December 29 proposal. http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2003/debian-vote-200312/msg00044.html -- Raul -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL

Re: Draft for a non-fee poll (Was: Re: Let's vote already...)

2004-01-11 Thread Sven Luther
On Sat, Jan 10, 2004 at 09:54:51PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: > On Sat, Jan 10, 2004 at 10:08:01PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > > On Sat, Jan 10, 2004 at 07:11:50PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: > > > On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 01:26:30PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > > > > Since the non-free GR and t

Re: Draft for a non-fee poll (Was: Re: Let's vote already...)

2004-01-10 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sat, Jan 10, 2004 at 10:08:01PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > On Sat, Jan 10, 2004 at 07:11:50PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 01:26:30PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > > > Since the non-free GR and the social contract modification GR > > > encountered nothing but flamewar

Re: Draft for a non-fee poll (Was: Re: Let's vote already...)

2004-01-10 Thread Michael Banck
On Sat, Jan 10, 2004 at 10:04:11PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > Yep. But then you all said this was stupid or something, that we were > loosing time, and ... So, i actually changed minds, and was going to try > doing a real proposal or something, but as i perfectly know that my > writing is not of t

Re: Draft for a non-fee poll (Was: Re: Let's vote already...)

2004-01-10 Thread Sven Luther
On Sat, Jan 10, 2004 at 07:11:50PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: > On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 01:26:30PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > > Since the non-free GR and the social contract modification GR > > encountered nothing but flamewar, > > [...] > > > Furthermore, i believe that the real issue is the

Re: Draft for a non-fee poll (Was: Re: Let's vote already...)

2004-01-10 Thread Sven Luther
On Sat, Jan 10, 2004 at 08:16:52PM +0100, Michael Banck wrote: > On Sat, Jan 10, 2004 at 07:41:27PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > > > Uhm, if it was not a GR proposal, then why did your message[13] say > > > "non-free removal GR draft"? > > > > Please check the meaning of the word "draft" in the dic

Re: Draft for a non-fee poll (Was: Re: Let's vote already...)

2004-01-10 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sat, Jan 10, 2004 at 10:08:01PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > On Sat, Jan 10, 2004 at 07:11:50PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 01:26:30PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > > > Since the non-free GR and the social contract modification GR > > > encountered nothing but flamewar

Re: Draft for a non-fee poll (Was: Re: Let's vote already...)

2004-01-10 Thread Michael Banck
On Sat, Jan 10, 2004 at 10:04:11PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > Yep. But then you all said this was stupid or something, that we were > loosing time, and ... So, i actually changed minds, and was going to try > doing a real proposal or something, but as i perfectly know that my > writing is not of t

Re: Draft for a non-fee poll (Was: Re: Let's vote already...)

2004-01-10 Thread Sven Luther
On Sat, Jan 10, 2004 at 07:11:50PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: > On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 01:26:30PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > > Since the non-free GR and the social contract modification GR > > encountered nothing but flamewar, > > [...] > > > Furthermore, i believe that the real issue is the

Re: Draft for a non-fee poll (Was: Re: Let's vote already...)

2004-01-10 Thread Sven Luther
On Sat, Jan 10, 2004 at 08:16:52PM +0100, Michael Banck wrote: > On Sat, Jan 10, 2004 at 07:41:27PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > > > Uhm, if it was not a GR proposal, then why did your message[13] say > > > "non-free removal GR draft"? > > > > Please check the meaning of the word "draft" in the dic

Re: Draft for a non-fee poll (Was: Re: Let's vote already...)

2004-01-10 Thread Michael Banck
On Sat, Jan 10, 2004 at 07:41:27PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > > Uhm, if it was not a GR proposal, then why did your message[13] say > > "non-free removal GR draft"? > > Please check the meaning of the word "draft" in the dictionary. Sure, i > don't have the chance to be a native english speaker,

Re: Draft for a non-fee poll (Was: Re: Let's vote already...)

2004-01-10 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 07:50:42PM +0100, Jeroen van Wolffelaar wrote: > On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 09:54:16AM -0600, John Goerzen wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 04:45:54PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > > > Why are you opposing this. Just for the chance to discuss this to death > > > another year or

Re: Draft for a non-fee poll (Was: Re: Let's vote already...)

2004-01-10 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 01:26:30PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > Since the non-free GR and the social contract modification GR > encountered nothing but flamewar, [...] > Furthermore, i believe that the real issue is the non-free issue, and > that the social contract GR is only a way to achieve a s

Re: Draft for a non-fee poll (Was: Re: Let's vote already...)

2004-01-10 Thread Sven Luther
On Sat, Jan 10, 2004 at 11:55:49AM -0600, John Goerzen wrote: > > > 4. Oppose GR proposals that cannot be actually voted on in any sane > > >fashion due to being incompatible with procedures in the > > >Constitution. > > > > (arg, it is difficult to resist being rude, arg, have to control

Re: Draft for a non-fee poll (Was: Re: Let's vote already...)

2004-01-10 Thread Michael Banck
On Sat, Jan 10, 2004 at 07:41:27PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > > Uhm, if it was not a GR proposal, then why did your message[13] say > > "non-free removal GR draft"? > > Please check the meaning of the word "draft" in the dictionary. Sure, i > don't have the chance to be a native english speaker,

Re: Draft for a non-fee poll (Was: Re: Let's vote already...)

2004-01-10 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 07:50:42PM +0100, Jeroen van Wolffelaar wrote: > On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 09:54:16AM -0600, John Goerzen wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 04:45:54PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > > > Why are you opposing this. Just for the chance to discuss this to death > > > another year or

Re: Draft for a non-fee poll (Was: Re: Let's vote already...)

2004-01-10 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 01:26:30PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > Since the non-free GR and the social contract modification GR > encountered nothing but flamewar, [...] > Furthermore, i believe that the real issue is the non-free issue, and > that the social contract GR is only a way to achieve a s

Re: Draft for a non-fee poll (Was: Re: Let's vote already...)

2004-01-10 Thread Sven Luther
On Sat, Jan 10, 2004 at 11:55:49AM -0600, John Goerzen wrote: > > > 4. Oppose GR proposals that cannot be actually voted on in any sane > > >fashion due to being incompatible with procedures in the > > >Constitution. > > > > (arg, it is difficult to resist being rude, arg, have to control

Re: Draft for a non-fee poll (Was: Re: Let's vote already...)

2004-01-10 Thread John Goerzen
[ General note: This message contains some history that may be of interest regarding the previous attempts to get a vote on the topic. ] On Sat, Jan 10, 2004 at 07:32:49AM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > On Sat, Jan 10, 2004 at 12:07:14AM -0600, John Goerzen wrote: > > On Sat, Jan 10, 2004 at 06:44:33

Re: Draft for a non-fee poll (Was: Re: Let's vote already...)

2004-01-10 Thread John Goerzen
[ General note: This message contains some history that may be of interest regarding the previous attempts to get a vote on the topic. ] On Sat, Jan 10, 2004 at 07:32:49AM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > On Sat, Jan 10, 2004 at 12:07:14AM -0600, John Goerzen wrote: > > On Sat, Jan 10, 2004 at 06:44:33

Re: Draft for a non-fee poll (Was: Re: Let's vote already...)

2004-01-10 Thread Sven Luther
On Sat, Jan 10, 2004 at 12:07:14AM -0600, John Goerzen wrote: > On Sat, Jan 10, 2004 at 06:44:33AM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > > John, you are a fraud, you don't really want to resolve this issue, only > > If that were the case, why did I: > > 1. Get this issue to a vote back in 2000[1] (though t

Re: Draft for a non-fee poll (Was: Re: Let's vote already...)

2004-01-10 Thread John Goerzen
On Sat, Jan 10, 2004 at 06:44:33AM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > John, you are a fraud, you don't really want to resolve this issue, only If that were the case, why did I: 1. Get this issue to a vote back in 2000[1] (though that vote was later nullified); 2. Second the proposals before us now,

Re: Draft for a non-fee poll (Was: Re: Let's vote already...)

2004-01-10 Thread Sven Luther
On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 11:19:12AM -0600, John Goerzen wrote: > On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 05:11:51PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > > So, let's start from my poll draft, and let's vote on it. > > > > What do you thinkg ? Something like : > > I think that it's impossible to vote yes or no to a GR that

Re: Draft for a non-fee poll (Was: Re: Let's vote already...)

2004-01-09 Thread Sven Luther
On Sat, Jan 10, 2004 at 12:07:14AM -0600, John Goerzen wrote: > On Sat, Jan 10, 2004 at 06:44:33AM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > > John, you are a fraud, you don't really want to resolve this issue, only > > If that were the case, why did I: > > 1. Get this issue to a vote back in 2000[1] (though t

Re: Draft for a non-fee poll (Was: Re: Let's vote already...)

2004-01-09 Thread John Goerzen
On Sat, Jan 10, 2004 at 06:44:33AM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > John, you are a fraud, you don't really want to resolve this issue, only If that were the case, why did I: 1. Get this issue to a vote back in 2000[1] (though that vote was later nullified); 2. Second the proposals before us now,

Re: Draft for a non-fee poll (Was: Re: Let's vote already...)

2004-01-09 Thread Sven Luther
On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 11:19:12AM -0600, John Goerzen wrote: > On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 05:11:51PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > > So, let's start from my poll draft, and let's vote on it. > > > > What do you thinkg ? Something like : > > I think that it's impossible to vote yes or no to a GR that

Re: Draft for a non-fee poll (Was: Re: Let's vote already...)

2004-01-09 Thread Anthony Towns
On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 08:17:39AM -0600, John Goerzen wrote: > On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 01:26:30PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > > Ok, will you help me draft something, i am not really a good > > administrative writer, but was thinking about something like : > > begin of draft Poll to be submitt

Re: Draft for a non-fee poll (Was: Re: Let's vote already...)

2004-01-09 Thread Anthony Towns
On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 08:17:39AM -0600, John Goerzen wrote: > On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 01:26:30PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > > Ok, will you help me draft something, i am not really a good > > administrative writer, but was thinking about something like : > > begin of draft Poll to be submitt

Re: Draft for a non-fee poll (Was: Re: Let's vote already...)

2004-01-09 Thread Jeroen van Wolffelaar
On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 09:54:16AM -0600, John Goerzen wrote: > On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 04:45:54PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > > Why are you opposing this. Just for the chance to discuss this to death > > another year or so ? > > No; for precisely the opposite reason. I want a vote now, and no po

Re: Draft for a non-fee poll (Was: Re: Let's vote already...)

2004-01-09 Thread Sven Luther
On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 11:19:12AM -0600, John Goerzen wrote: > On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 05:11:51PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > > So, let's start from my poll draft, and let's vote on it. > > > > What do you thinkg ? Something like : > > I think that it's impossible to vote yes or no to a GR that

Re: Draft for a non-fee poll (Was: Re: Let's vote already...)

2004-01-09 Thread Jeroen van Wolffelaar
On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 09:54:16AM -0600, John Goerzen wrote: > On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 04:45:54PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > > Why are you opposing this. Just for the chance to discuss this to death > > another year or so ? > > No; for precisely the opposite reason. I want a vote now, and no po

Re: Draft for a non-fee poll (Was: Re: Let's vote already...)

2004-01-09 Thread John Goerzen
On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 05:11:51PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > So, let's start from my poll draft, and let's vote on it. > > What do you thinkg ? Something like : I think that it's impossible to vote yes or no to a GR that contains 5 different, mutually exclusive, options. Consider the below. H

Re: Draft for a non-fee poll (Was: Re: Let's vote already...)

2004-01-09 Thread Sven Luther
On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 11:19:12AM -0600, John Goerzen wrote: > On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 05:11:51PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > > So, let's start from my poll draft, and let's vote on it. > > > > What do you thinkg ? Something like : > > I think that it's impossible to vote yes or no to a GR that

Re: Draft for a non-fee poll (Was: Re: Let's vote already...)

2004-01-09 Thread Sven Luther
On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 09:54:16AM -0600, John Goerzen wrote: > On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 04:45:54PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > > > The only way clearly say what will happen is to make it part of the > > > ballot. Your poll will *not* say what will happen, and nobody else here > > > can say what wi

Re: Draft for a non-fee poll (Was: Re: Let's vote already...)

2004-01-09 Thread Sven Luther
On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 09:34:45AM -0600, John Goerzen wrote: > On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 04:26:18PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 09:19:37AM -0600, John Goerzen wrote: > > > Well, why not have a non-free GR, and add a social contract hostile > > > amendment, so that people ca

Re: Draft for a non-fee poll (Was: Re: Let's vote already...)

2004-01-09 Thread John Goerzen
On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 05:11:51PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > So, let's start from my poll draft, and let's vote on it. > > What do you thinkg ? Something like : I think that it's impossible to vote yes or no to a GR that contains 5 different, mutually exclusive, options. Consider the below. H

Re: Draft for a non-fee poll (Was: Re: Let's vote already...)

2004-01-09 Thread Sven Luther
On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 09:19:37AM -0600, John Goerzen wrote: > On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 04:07:13PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 08:54:32AM -0600, John Goerzen wrote: > > Ah, sure, but see what happened last time this came up. > > > > And it would be hypocrit. The real issu

Re: Draft for a non-fee poll (Was: Re: Let's vote already...)

2004-01-09 Thread Sven Luther
On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 08:54:32AM -0600, John Goerzen wrote: > On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 03:26:44PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > > > Why would we want something non-binding? I cannot think of a single > > > situation in which that will actually resolve anything. > > > > Why not ? > > > > Once we

Re: Draft for a non-fee poll (Was: Re: Let's vote already...)

2004-01-09 Thread John Goerzen
On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 04:45:54PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > > The only way clearly say what will happen is to make it part of the > > ballot. Your poll will *not* say what will happen, and nobody else here > > can say what will happen either, because we do not know how a vote will > > turn out.

Re: Draft for a non-fee poll (Was: Re: Let's vote already...)

2004-01-09 Thread Sven Luther
On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 09:54:16AM -0600, John Goerzen wrote: > On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 04:45:54PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > > > The only way clearly say what will happen is to make it part of the > > > ballot. Your poll will *not* say what will happen, and nobody else here > > > can say what wi

Re: Draft for a non-fee poll (Was: Re: Let's vote already...)

2004-01-09 Thread John Goerzen
On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 04:26:18PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 09:19:37AM -0600, John Goerzen wrote: > > Well, why not have a non-free GR, and add a social contract hostile > > amendment, so that people can vote on both at once, and rank their > > preferences appropriately?

Re: Draft for a non-fee poll (Was: Re: Let's vote already...)

2004-01-09 Thread Sven Luther
On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 09:34:45AM -0600, John Goerzen wrote: > On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 04:26:18PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 09:19:37AM -0600, John Goerzen wrote: > > > Well, why not have a non-free GR, and add a social contract hostile > > > amendment, so that people ca

Re: Draft for a non-fee poll (Was: Re: Let's vote already...)

2004-01-09 Thread Sven Luther
On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 08:17:39AM -0600, John Goerzen wrote: > On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 01:26:30PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > > Ok, will you help me draft something, i am not really a good > > administrative writer, but was thinking about something like : > > > > begin of draft Poll to be su

Re: Draft for a non-fee poll (Was: Re: Let's vote already...)

2004-01-09 Thread Sven Luther
On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 09:19:37AM -0600, John Goerzen wrote: > On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 04:07:13PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 08:54:32AM -0600, John Goerzen wrote: > > Ah, sure, but see what happened last time this came up. > > > > And it would be hypocrit. The real issu

Re: Draft for a non-fee poll (Was: Re: Let's vote already...)

2004-01-09 Thread John Goerzen
On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 04:07:13PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 08:54:32AM -0600, John Goerzen wrote: > Ah, sure, but see what happened last time this came up. > > And it would be hypocrit. The real issue is what do we want to do about > non-free, not that we want to ammend

Re: Draft for a non-fee poll (Was: Re: Let's vote already...)

2004-01-09 Thread Sven Luther
On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 08:54:32AM -0600, John Goerzen wrote: > On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 03:26:44PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > > > Why would we want something non-binding? I cannot think of a single > > > situation in which that will actually resolve anything. > > > > Why not ? > > > > Once we

Re: Draft for a non-fee poll (Was: Re: Let's vote already...)

2004-01-09 Thread John Goerzen
On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 04:45:54PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > > The only way clearly say what will happen is to make it part of the > > ballot. Your poll will *not* say what will happen, and nobody else here > > can say what will happen either, because we do not know how a vote will > > turn out.

Re: Draft for a non-fee poll (Was: Re: Let's vote already...)

2004-01-09 Thread John Goerzen
On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 03:26:44PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > > Why would we want something non-binding? I cannot think of a single > > situation in which that will actually resolve anything. > > Why not ? > > Once we have the result of this, first it will put a stop to the whole > speculation

Re: Draft for a non-fee poll (Was: Re: Let's vote already...)

2004-01-09 Thread John Goerzen
On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 04:26:18PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 09:19:37AM -0600, John Goerzen wrote: > > Well, why not have a non-free GR, and add a social contract hostile > > amendment, so that people can vote on both at once, and rank their > > preferences appropriately?

Re: Draft for a non-fee poll (Was: Re: Let's vote already...)

2004-01-09 Thread Sven Luther
On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 08:17:39AM -0600, John Goerzen wrote: > On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 01:26:30PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > > Ok, will you help me draft something, i am not really a good > > administrative writer, but was thinking about something like : > > > > begin of draft Poll to be su

Re: Draft for a non-fee poll (Was: Re: Let's vote already...)

2004-01-09 Thread John Goerzen
On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 04:07:13PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 08:54:32AM -0600, John Goerzen wrote: > Ah, sure, but see what happened last time this came up. > > And it would be hypocrit. The real issue is what do we want to do about > non-free, not that we want to ammend

Re: Draft for a non-fee poll (Was: Re: Let's vote already...)

2004-01-09 Thread John Goerzen
On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 01:26:30PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > Ok, will you help me draft something, i am not really a good > administrative writer, but was thinking about something like : > > begin of draft Poll to be submitted to vote Why would we want something non-binding? I cannot

Re: Draft for a non-fee poll (Was: Re: Let's vote already...)

2004-01-09 Thread John Goerzen
On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 03:26:44PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > > Why would we want something non-binding? I cannot think of a single > > situation in which that will actually resolve anything. > > Why not ? > > Once we have the result of this, first it will put a stop to the whole > speculation

Re: Draft for a non-fee poll (Was: Re: Let's vote already...)

2004-01-09 Thread John Goerzen
On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 01:26:30PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > Ok, will you help me draft something, i am not really a good > administrative writer, but was thinking about something like : > > begin of draft Poll to be submitted to vote Why would we want something non-binding? I cannot

Draft for a non-fee poll (Was: Re: Let's vote already...)

2004-01-09 Thread Sven Luther
On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 01:02:41PM +0100, David N. Welton wrote: > Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Yes, let's have a non-binding poll on this subject, so that this > > meanigless flamewars can stop, and we can actually work on a way to > > solve this following what the DDs really wan

Re: Let's vote already...

2004-01-09 Thread David N. Welton
Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Yes, let's have a non-binding poll on this subject, so that this > meanigless flamewars can stop, and we can actually work on a way to > solve this following what the DDs really want to do. By all means, let's vote on something already. I'm against the i

Draft for a non-fee poll (Was: Re: Let's vote already...)

2004-01-09 Thread Sven Luther
On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 01:02:41PM +0100, David N. Welton wrote: > Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Yes, let's have a non-binding poll on this subject, so that this > > meanigless flamewars can stop, and we can actually work on a way to > > solve this following what the DDs really wan

Re: Let's vote already...

2004-01-09 Thread David N. Welton
Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Yes, let's have a non-binding poll on this subject, so that this > meanigless flamewars can stop, and we can actually work on a way to > solve this following what the DDs really want to do. By all means, let's vote on something already. I'm against the i