I'd like to submit a ballot option.
Not really happy with the current text though. The idea is simple : I
have been convinced, reading the previous discussion, that no formal
opinion from ftpmaster has been provided.
I'm not sure that it was asked explicitly, and I think that before
having a GR t
Sean Whitton wrote on 13/06/2024 at 14:44:57+0200:
> Hello,
>
> On Thu 13 Jun 2024 at 01:05pm +02, Ansgar 🙀 wrote:
>
>> The statement also reads like the implementation was reviewed by Russ
>> which as far as I understand isn't the case either? Or do you only plan
>> to deploy a version once such
Hi,
Luca Boccassi wrote on 12/06/2024 at 13:15:47+0200:
> On Wed, 12 Jun 2024 at 12:03, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
>>
>> Quoting Luca Boccassi (2024-06-12 12:28:21)
>> > On Wed, 12 Jun 2024 at 09:35, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Quoting Luca Boccassi (2024-06-12 10:21:40)
>> > > > On Wed
Mechtilde Stehmann wrote on 01/04/2024 at 20:36:02+0200:
> Hello Roberto,
>
>> Question to the candidates: do you support using data to help guide
>> decisions regarding gender diversity in Debian and would you support
>> improving the way in which the Debian project collects information on
>> th
Hi,
Thomas Goirand wrote on 27/03/2024 at 00:24:30+0100:
> Hi,
>
> As you know, there's a large amount of money sleeping in SPI account
> for Debian. Do you have ideas on how to spend it?
>
> Would you be ok spending 100k USD on buying hardware for a new Debian
> cloud, for example? I've always
Joost van Baal-Ilić wrote on 22/03/2024 at
09:54:35+0100:
> On Fri, Mar 22, 2024 at 06:51:48AM +0100, Joost van Baal-Ilić wrote:
>>
>
>> PS: I am eagerly awaiting a platform from
>> Sruthi Chandran . Up to now there still is the old one at
>> https://www.debian.org/vote/2021/platforms/srud .
Gerardo Ballabio wrote on 21/03/2024 at
10:00:28+0100:
> Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote:
>> I can understand that you want the candidate's opinion on this (after
>> all it's important for a lot of people to chose someone with whom one
>> shares values)
>
> Y
Gerardo Ballabio wrote on 19/03/2024 at
09:38:26+0100:
> Andreas Tille wrote:
>> > How would you as a DPL try to lead a community that focuses on producing a
>> > great distribution without getting divided on controversial topics?
>>
>> I'm not really sure in how far you consider the first state
Santiago Ruano Rincón wrote on 12/11/2023 at
16:10:21+0100:
> Dear Debian Fellows,
>
> Following the email sent by Ilu to debian-project (Message-ID:
> <4b93ed08-f148-4c7f-b172-f967f7de7...@gmx.net>), and as we have
> discussed during the MiniDebConf UY 2023 with other Debian Members, I
> would l
Roberto C. Sánchez wrote on 15/03/2023 at 20:10:01+0100:
> On Wed, Mar 15, 2023 at 12:00:55PM -0700, Soren Stoutner wrote:
>> Thomas,
>>
>> Thank you for this post. I found it an informative read.
>>
>> My personal opinion is that Debian is not the proper venue for discussions
>> that do not
Felix Lechner wrote on 27/03/2022 at 22:30:53+0200:
> Hi Kurt,
>
> On Sun, Mar 27, 2022 at 11:03 AM Kurt Roeckx wrote:
>>
>> Clearly people don't think it's identical, otherwise it would not have
>> been an option, or people would have voted it equally.
>
> People were confused.
>
> Given the s
Gunnar Wolf wrote on 20/03/2022 at 17:44:44+0100:
> Felix Lechner dijo [Sun, Mar 20, 2022 at 06:49:50AM -0700]:
>> Hi Gunnar,
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 10:47 PM Gunnar Wolf wrote:
>> >
>> > This year I think I will break my usual
>> > practice, and vote a certain DPL candidate below NotA :
Mattia Rizzolo wrote on 04/03/2022 at 12:03:22+0100:
> [[PGP Signed Part:Signature made by expired key 0816B9E18C762BAD Mattia
> Rizzolo ]]
> On Fri, Mar 04, 2022 at 10:42:51AM +, Holger Levsen wrote:
>> Reaffirm public voting
>> ==
>>
>> Since we can either have secr
Hi,
I'm still happy with sponsoring the following ballot option.
Sam Hartman wrote on 03/03/2022 at 21:54:36+0100:
> [[PGP Signed Part:No public key for 2C6C4C3CA8378674 created at
> 2022-03-03T21:54:36+0100 using EDDSA]]
>
> I hereby amend the ballot option I proposed using the procedure in
Kurt Roeckx wrote on 26/02/2022 at 12:47:16+0100:
> On Fri, Feb 25, 2022 at 08:06:20AM -0700, Sam Hartman wrote:
>>
>> 2) In the General resolution system, in addition to the constitutional
>> amendment, include a statement of the day asking the secretary to obtain
>> sufficient project consens
I sponsor the resolution quoted below.
Sam Hartman wrote on 23/02/2022 at 18:19:20+0100:
> I propose the followiwng general resolution, which will require a 3:1
> super majority to pass.
> I'm seeking sponsors for this resolution.
>
> Rationale
> =
>
> During the vote for GR_2021_002o, s
Russ Allbery wrote on 26/11/2021 at 04:25:45+0100:
> [[PGP Signed Part:No public key for 7D80315C5736DE75 created at
> 2021-11-26T04:25:45+0100 using RSA]]
> Here is an updated version of my proposal, which incorporates the formal
> amendment to change the default option for TC resolutions to a
Russ Allbery wrote on 23/11/2021 at 23:39:51+0100:
> Kurt Roeckx writes:
>> On Sat, Nov 20, 2021 at 10:04:07AM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
>
>>> I propose the following General Resolution, which will require a 3:1
>>> majority, and am seeking sponsors.
>
>> This is now at:
>> https://www.debian.
Wouter Verhelst wrote on 22/11/2021 at 16:15:34+0100:
> [[PGP Signed Part:No public key for 2DFC519954181296 created at
> 2021-11-22T16:15:27+0100 using RSA]]
> I propose the following amendment. I expect Russ to not accept it, and
> am looking for seconds.
>
> Rationale
> =
>
> Much of
Russ Allbery wrote on 20/11/2021 at 19:04:07+0100:
> [[PGP Signed Part:No public key for 7D80315C5736DE75 created at
> 2021-11-20T19:04:07+0100 using RSA]]
> I propose the following General Resolution, which will require a 3:1
> majority, and am seeking sponsors.
>
>
> Rationale
> =
>
>
Roberto C. Sánchez wrote on 11/11/2021 at 13:56:24+0100:
> If we as a project allow some to make changes without considering the
> concerns of those affected by the changes, we are not being faithful
> to our own principles.
That's true, but it doesn't look like it's what's being done here.
Fel
Le 10 novembre 2021 04:08:58 GMT+01:00, Bdale Garbee a écrit :
>Pierre-Elliott Bécue writes:
>
>> Then, we realized that we could probably add Secret voting (if it felt
>> right to everyone) as the discussion on Russ' proposal didn't go in a
>> too consuming
Holger Levsen wrote on 08/11/2021 at 18:21:02+0100:
> [[PGP Signed Part:No public key for 091AB856069AAA1C created at
> 2021-11-08T18:20:57+0100 using RSA]]
> On Mon, Nov 08, 2021 at 12:12:33PM -0500, Louis-Philippe Véronneau wrote:
>> > I'd like to ask the community whether we'd like to handle
Hi,
Mattia Rizzolo wrote on 06/11/2021 at 00:31:04+0100:
> If I was given the question: would you like to get rid of the word
> "master" because it reminds somebody of slavery, my answer would be
> NO. (Incidentally, I have similar thoughts about blacklist/whitelist
> and similar SJW crap) In fa
Wouter Verhelst wrote on 22/10/2021 at 19:42:13+0200:
> [[PGP Signed Part:No public key for 2DFC519954181296 created at
> 2021-10-22T19:42:07+0200 using RSA]]
> Hi all,
>
> Let me start by apologizing for taking this long to send this email. The
> attentive reader will have noticed my name in R
Russ Allbery wrote on 28/09/2021 at 03:51:05+0200:
> [Snip]
> This proposal was already sufficiently complex that it does not attempt to
> address the secret ballot. I believe that should be a separate discussion
> and a separate GR since it's substantially orthogonal to this one.
Note that we
Felix Lechner writes:
> Hi,
>
> A fellow developer and I have reached an impasse over the appropriate
> level of privacy guarantees in Debian. [1] Would this esteemed group
> please advise if the topic is in some form suitable for a General
> Resolution?
>
> The aggrieved party is likely to appe
e as I have not ranked
anything 4, everything here was intentional.
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wer more well-written options on the ballot, and consequently a higher
> likelihood that Debian would have decided to make a (more well-written)
> statement instead of the current outcome of not making a statement.
History tends to show as far as we are concerned that the longer the
discussion, the more look-alike options come and the less the ballots
are easy to digest and fill in.
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Le lundi 19 avril 2021 à 15:55:19-0700, Felix Lechner a écrit :
> Hi,
>
> On Mon, Apr 19, 2021 at 2:40 PM Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote:
> >
> > I don't understand how you semantically see 7 and 8 as comparable.
>
> Aside from Bdale's reason for ranking u
; think did not accurately represent the correct outcome given the
> preferences of the people who voted? Precisely what problem are you
> trying to solve here?
I think we are good ad nitpicking and this is some of it. :p
(more seriously, I think our system does quite correclty what it is
desi
t a quick perusal of the actual ballots has
> disabused me of that notion.
>
> The usual reaction to this sort of thing is to alter the voter
> instructions. But people have intuitions for how voting works, and
> blurbs might not be very effective at changing their behaviour.
Hi,
I
t adding a question on
our voting system in the nm templates.
The idea being to make sure if people have questions, they get some
answers, and otherwise relevant pointers to doc.
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Le dimanche 11 avril 2021 à 18:12:56+0200, Micha Lenk a écrit :
> Hi Pierre-Elliott,
>
> Am 11.04.21 um 14:27 schrieb Pierre-Elliott Bécue:
> > > Those who insist on making the personal views on this (non-technical!!!)
> > > GR public should be ashamed of dragging
olding to our values,
respecting our processes and avoiding to create potentially indesirable
precedents is "no good reason" and grounds to be ashamed.
No one tries to shame you for defending a switch to a secret vote. Maybe you
could just do the same.
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From my phone
; internally.
>
> Thanks Sam for raising this.
After a careful thinking, I agree with Elena's opinion and would rather
not make the vote private while it already has started.
Of course I won't make a mess of if it becomes private/secret.
But I think it is not the best course of a
were able to manage your frustration to not add up
to the situation, and now I'm a sad panda.
Thanks.
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e
tension having lowered.
Sorry for the noise and for reaching out ! :)
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ainly their intention to influence the outcome
> of Debian's decision process according to their own interests, whether
> or not those align with the interests of the Debian voters as a
> democratic body.
Man, why would be so edgy about others trying to express their opinion
on what
to do.
Whether RMS has any neuroatypical condition and whether or not it should
give him lenience and/or preventing him from leading the FSF is paths I
won't go along, as I am no doctor and have no expertise on these
matters.
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person, surely. But being angry and being a troll are two
orthogonal things.
That's my two cents, and I'm no one to decide, of course.
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Germany votes
> for the Bundestag is a complex method.
>
> Greetings
It's probably because I'm a mathematician, but I really enjoy our voting
system, despite it also having flaws.
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It's far
Le dimanche 04 avril 2021 à 21:49:01+0200, Wouter Verhelst a écrit :
> On Fri, Apr 02, 2021 at 11:29:58PM +0200, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote:
> > I'd rather have a None of the Above default option all the time along
> > with FD. It'd probably help.
>
> FD effectiv
be clear, if any person voting against RMS were to do as you just
did I'd mail community the same way and call out their behaviour the
same way.
Not only do you have to stop that, but I'd seriously reflect on myself
if I were you.
Don't even bother to reply, I'll ignore you
are trying to present them with the idea that
voting options you dislike is not responsible?
Your sense of democracy raises questions.
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Move choice 7 to 8 and put it seven.
[ ] Choice 7: Rejecting and denouncing a witch-hunt against RMS.
(maybe Craig has a better idea)
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Le samedi 03 avril 2021 à 15:41:43+0200, Milan Zamazal a écrit :
> >>>>> "SM" == Steve McIntyre writes:
>
> SM> On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 12:26:56PM +1100, Dmitry Smirnov wrote:
> >> On Friday, 2 April 2021 11:09:42 PM AEDT Pierre-Elliott Bé
re there were significant splits in
> support below FD, probably we ought conclude we don't have support for a
> common direction.
>
> So, yeah, FD is complicated:-)
I'd rather have a None of the Above default option all the time along
with FD. It'd probably help.
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Le jeudi 01 avril 2021 à 21:48:53-0400, Tiago Bortoletto Vaz a écrit :
> On 2021-04-01 9:01 p.m., Dmitry Smirnov wrote:
> > defeat communism and prevent it from raising
> > its ugly head again.
>
> Option 6:
>
> "Debian will fight hard to defeat communism and prevent it from raising
> its ugly he
ow this should excuse him for his
behaviour.
Past great actions are not any immunity totem for bad shit we do. The
same as when one tries to improve they tend to ask people forgetting
about their former bad shit.
Cheers,
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Le vendredi 02 avril 2021 à 19:26:06+0200, Kurt Roeckx a écrit :
> On Fri, Apr 02, 2021 at 07:15:32PM +0200, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote:
> > Le vendredi 02 avril 2021 à 08:56:33+0200, Kurt Roeckx a écrit :
> > > On Thu, Apr 01, 2021 at 09:11:29PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
&g
here also is in A.2:
4. The minimum discussion period is counted from the time the last formal
amendment was accepted, or since the whole resolution was proposed if no
amendments have been proposed and accepted.
So I guess since you acccepted the last amendment on March the 31st,,
we're
Le vendredi 02 avril 2021 à 12:01:39+1100, Dmitry Smirnov a écrit :
> On Thursday, 1 April 2021 7:56:12 PM AEDT Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote:
> > Freedom of speech is one of the theoretically most beautiful ideas
> > Humans ever created. So is Communism.
>
> Communism (i.e. fas
not to move right now.
Apart from that, Belenios is starting to be considered as reliable.
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Forgot to reply to that, wich is actually super important.
Le jeudi 01 avril 2021 à 18:57:12+0300, Sergey B Kirpichev a écrit :
> On Thu, Apr 01, 2021 at 04:50:15PM +0200, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote:
> > The first option is one option, the others are different and less
> > strong
;all the votes cast" could mean what was voted,
> > now who voted what, but I think that conflicts with the intention
> > of the text.
>
> How about making the votes available to Debian Members only?
>
> Kind regards,
One could also fear that Debian Members would harra
Le jeudi 01 avril 2021 à 18:57:12+0300, Sergey B Kirpichev a écrit :
> On Thu, Apr 01, 2021 at 04:50:15PM +0200, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote:
> > The first option is one option, the others are different and less
> > strong. Having strong options in a GR doesn't turn the whole G
Le jeudi 01 avril 2021 à 10:46:16-0400, Roberto C. Sánchez a écrit :
> On Thu, Apr 01, 2021 at 04:39:05PM +0200, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote:
> >
> > Your statement tends to show likewise. My guess is that you tend to also
> > look for the bad thing that is neither written or
Le jeudi 01 avril 2021 à 16:58:25+0300, Sergey B Kirpichev a écrit :
> On Thu, Apr 01, 2021 at 03:38:03PM +0200, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote:
> > You are systematically telling "i don't care" to what we say
>
> That's lie, I've not ignored your arguments s
Le jeudi 01 avril 2021 à 09:38:58-0400, Roberto C. Sánchez a écrit :
> On Thu, Apr 01, 2021 at 03:15:08PM +0200, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote:
> > Le jeudi 01 avril 2021 à 08:40:26-0400, Roberto C. Sánchez a écrit :
> > > On Thu, Apr 01, 2021 at 01:58:49PM +0200, Pierre-E
ebian was not being inclusive,
> but a free OS. That's all debian users still expect from the project.
Debian produces the same free OS. Debian as a Community is more than the
OS, and people are coming there for reasons of their own.
Whatever happens to the FSF/RMS GR, we will keep produ
Le jeudi 01 avril 2021 à 08:40:26-0400, Roberto C. Sánchez a écrit :
> On Thu, Apr 01, 2021 at 01:58:49PM +0200, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote:
> > Le jeudi 01 avril 2021 à 12:11:18+0100, Steve McIntyre a écrit :
> > > On Thu, Apr 01, 2021 at 10:40:35AM +0200, Pierre-Elliott Bécu
onnect, but he’s utterly unable to. He’s weird and
> clueless. And he’s obsessed with software freedom.
Thanks for this enlightening text Barak and for sharing your feelings on
this.
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Le jeudi 01 avril 2021 à 12:11:18+0100, Steve McIntyre a écrit :
> On Thu, Apr 01, 2021 at 10:40:35AM +0200, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote:
> >Le jeudi 01 avril 2021 à 03:52:23+0300, Sergey B Kirpichev a écrit :
> >> > Please stop now.
> >>
> >> Or?...
> &
hese
ideas become a huge truckload of mess, violence, hatred and sorrow.
Trying to grab it as a cane in all discussions is to me a proof of lack
of sensible arguments.
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tion.
>
> The first GR using this scheme will concern the introduction of this
> voting scheme for the future.
I'm saddened that my proposal for a fist fight in a circular room filled
with mud got ignored.
Therefore, I ask for support for a GR that would change the GR decision
making
Le jeudi 01 avril 2021 à 04:09:58+0300, Sergey B Kirpichev a écrit :
> On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 06:24:52PM +0200, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote:
> > I could be wrong, but it seems to me that you still are on a debian
> > mailing list while you clearly stated you wanted to sever
Le jeudi 01 avril 2021 à 03:52:23+0300, Sergey B Kirpichev a écrit :
> > Please stop now.
>
> Or?...
Actually we could ask you to be banned from Debian lists, but here I
assume it was merely a request.
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understand my concern here is your well-being.
Bests,
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ter "Thought Criminal", "accused of defending rape
in an Orwellian smear campaign" and "orchestrated by mainstream media".
Honestly, do what you want, but Trumpist arguments are generally
sophisms and therefore not worth a dime of anyone's time.
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Le mercredi 31 mars 2021 à 06:48:45+, Ivan Shmakov a écrit :
> >>>>> On 2021-03-28 20:23:38 +0200, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote:
> >>>>> Le dimanche 28 mars 2021 à 15:35:42+, Ivan Shmakov a écrit :
>
> In my previous letter, I’ve presented m
that contributors to free software come from all
> walks of life and that our diverse experience and opinions are a strength
> of software freedom. But we must never cease in our efforts to ensure that
> all contributors are treated with respect, and that they feel safe and
> secure
Le mardi 30 mars 2021 à 20:27:56+0300, Sergey B Kirpichev a écrit :
> On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 07:10:17PM +0200, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote:
> > Are you aware that many of those "SJW" have been Debian Members for a very
> > long time
>
> Why not?
I do not under
good reality check.
I wish you a rapid recovery: my experience with griefs is that they
are not beneficial on the long term.
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ice on this GR. And I agree with you, I know many of us are
> unhappy with the GR entirely and will be much happier when it is over
> because we are tired that this is pushed into Debian in such a way.
Well, your proposal is still a strong Statement about how Debian should
position itself
hat our expectations are inflicting
you such pain.
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Le mardi 30 mars 2021 à 05:10:59-0700, Felix Lechner a écrit :
> Hi,
>
> On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 4:46 AM Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote:
> >
> > I agree that ideas should be free. But I disagree if your point is that
> > their expression should always be free.
>
Le lundi 29 mars 2021 à 07:26:24-0700, Felix Lechner a écrit :
> Hi,
>
> On Sun, Mar 28, 2021 at 11:24 AM Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote:
> >
> > Diversity is not tolerating dangerous ideas and the persons defending
> > these.
>
> Ideas should always be free. That&
Le dimanche 28 mars 2021 à 20:56:26+0200, Jonas Smedegaard a écrit :
> Quoting Pierre-Elliott Bécue (2021-03-28 20:31:01)
> > Le dimanche 28 mars 2021 � 14:04:48+0200, Jonas Smedegaard a �crit�:
> > > My involvement in this subthread was when Molly arguing that the
> &
arranted. And I think it is that point
that could/should be discussed.
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Le dimanche 28 mars 2021 à 15:35:42+, Ivan Shmakov a écrit :
> >>>>> On 2021-03-26 15:50:02 +0100, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote:
> >>>>> Le vendredi 26 mars 2021 à 16:50:06+0300, Sergey B Kirpichev a écrit :
> >>>>> On Fri, Mar 26
ve changed that to "belatedly".
>
>The option has been committed, it should be on the website soon.
>
>
>Kurt
>
I think you forgot my sponsorship on this one. Not that it makes any real
difference but maybe it is worth adding.
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From my phone
he community" is not discrimination
and is not forbidden by the law.
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One can protect a right and still thing some of its usages are bad.
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> [2]
> https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/03/statement-re-election-richard-stallman-fsf-board
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> End of text
In case it was not clear: seconded.
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is illegal for organisations to make such
> explicit judgements, which is a reason for us to avoid explicit
> judgement, even if that is in fact what we want to do.
A fair trial is what you expect from the society when your actions are
put under the justice system.
Here as a group of people, his trial is mostly what he said publicly and
never apologised for.
I don't really see why you'd like him to get any sort of """trial"""
when he had plenty opportunities to prove himself to have become better.
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Le samedi 20 mars 2021 à 00:44:52+0530, Sruthi Chandran a écrit :
>
> On 20/03/21 12:31 am, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote:
> > The idea was discussed two years ago. Sam chose a range of people to
> > help him with delegations.
> >
> > Being a DPL is a high-energy thin
Le lundi 22 mars 2021 à 19:30:35+0200, Jonathan Carter a écrit :
> On 2021/03/19 21:01, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote:
> > The idea was discussed two years ago. Sam chose a range of people to
> > help him with delegations.
>
> It's come up a few times in past platforms an
better that way. (of course, let's not discuss my personal opinion)
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es from happening again.
> Therefore, in the current situation we see ourselves unable to
> collaborate both with the FSF and any other organisation in which
> Richard Stallman has a leading position. Instead, we will continue to
> work with groups and individuals who foster diversity and equali
Le vendredi 26 mars 2021 à 11:46:10+0100, Pierre-Elliott Bécue a écrit :
> Le vendredi 26 mars 2021 à 11:05:26+0100, Dominik George a écrit :
> > Hi,
> >
> > > A General Resolution has been started about Richard Stallman's
> > > readmission to the FSF
Could this be changed to something along the lines:
> >
> > """
> > Any individual (including Debian members) wishing to (co-)sign the open
> > letter
> > in question is invited to do this in person.
> > """
>
> Seconded - on the condition that Timo Weingärtner replaces his previous
> proposal with one one including above edit.
Same here.
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ncerns are addresses
> * The Debian Project supports the instatement of an investigation
> committee regarding all accusations against rms and asks the
> FSF board to take such action, in close cooperation with other
> organisations and in full transparency
> --><
a role of "DPL advisors" who would be identified
as helpers for the DPL and additional entry points for the
developers/external people should the need arise?
Cheers!
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