. So I'd say, in retrospect, I probably did the right
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> Novell's Directory Services is a competitive product to Microsoft's
> Active Directory in much the same way that the Saturn V is a competitive
> product to th
the artificiality of drive
geometries that I ignored it.
fdisk says:
lovesong:/farhome/hendrik# fdisk /dev/hdc
The number of cylinders for this disk is set to 310101.
There is nothing wrong with that, but this is larger than 1024,
and could in certain setups cause problems with:
1) software
s like a lot of stuff that causes my IQ to perceptibly lower
> > > if exposed to it for more than 5 minutes. I figure that my parents
> > > thought the same of Fat Albert, SR & Scooby Doo.
>
> indeed. but since we're older, we are surely right -- what we thought
&g
'm not sure what system component produced this message, nor
> its exact text. But I'm so accustomed to the artificiality of drive
> geometries that I ignored it.
>
> fdisk says:
>
> lovesong:/farhome/hendrik# fdisk /dev/hdc
>
> The number of cylinders for this d
s is an old distro, and some of its
documentation has become seriously out-of-date. If there was some way
of maintaining the documentation along with the code, that would be
great!
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> First the good news: after some repairs, the system appears to be
> 'clean' again, running as usual.
>
> The box has three hard disks: /dev/hda with the root partition and
> /dev/hdb and /dev/hdd with a raid1 for data.
>
> /--
l software houses, where a manual is required, one
ends up with neat documentation that is of very little value.
Now the Linux documentation has escaped most of this, but it is not
complete, and not up-to-date.
Time to brainstorm, I suspect. Any ideas (like dependency tracking,
maybe) how to at least identify what documentation is outdated? If we
can't do at lest that, we're doomed.
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> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > These messages look similar -- but not identical -- to the ones I had
> > while installing an etch system -- and eventually I came to suspect the
> > file-system-damage bug in the Debian 2.6.18-3 k
ly much more complicated than needed to do its job.
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imes over the past year, and have yet to do one that resulted
in a working system. I found a new install works better, but even there
I have problems.
Mind you, my eldest son says my computer is cursed. He's never had any
such problems on *his* wonderful box.
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or specialists in the particular subsystem under
investigation.
I've considered switching to Gentoo, because some of their advocates say
their distribution is strong on documentation, but I suspect that they
mey not be a lot better.
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ev/hdc3.
> The _why_ may be a complicated technical answer usable only to those
> working on coding the installer (or the kernel). The
> what-to-do-about-it should be simple for someone who has dealt with it
> to explain.
I know that Debian has ways of futzing the BIOS so that drive l
t I don't
*think* it caused the particular symptoms I had, but it's hard to know
for sure. Instead of investigating the install failure further, I've
been replacing the hard disk.
I do expect that the upgrade path will become smooth by the time etch
is stable, and that once t
On Sat, Feb 03, 2007 at 07:02:43AM -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >Yesterday, February 2, I did an ordinary install with etch netinstall
> >RC1, which identified itself as
> >
> > "Etch: - Official Snapshot i386 Binary-1 (2006)
> >
> >In the package selection ph
On Sat, Feb 03, 2007 at 07:58:45PM -0600, John Hasler wrote:
> H.S. writes:
> > IIRC, it used to work before. Maybe the browser identification string is
> > causing the problem!? Any suggestions?
>
> Iceweasel identifies as Iceweasel, not Firefox (not my idea). However, it
> works exactly like Fi
I still had some space) and using *its* lilo to
> > establish bootability of /dev/hdc3.
> >
>
> > I know that Debian has ways of futzing the BIOS so that drive letters
> > are different from the standard ones. What I don't know is why it
> > decided to do
towards newbies but more
> towards admins and people who seem to know what they are doing. Hence
> the formation of Kantonix, Mepis, Ubuntu, and others *based* on Debian.
>
> Unfortunately the distinction is not made clear anywhere.
Yes. There's a sharp distinction between dis
with iceweasel?"
>
> Yes, you should!
Or maybe you or your friend should send a letter to personell telling
them how their lack of acceptance of standard browsers is giving their
company a bad reputation and mey be driving away the most qualified
applicants.
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ether the website was
(a) refusing to deal with other browsers or
(b) just warning you there might be problems, but otherwise going ahead
full-steam.
If (a) they need a lesson in the proper use of web standards. Give it
to them.
If (b) they need to add a few browsers and OS's to their lis
d to open
> it using Debian, without losing anything on my computer.
> Please respond as soon as you can.
> Thank you.
Is HAL the Hardware Abstraction Layer, which is the Debian component
that makes it possible to use a wide variety of physical devices in a
uniform way?
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> >&)../
> >|{~~SYSTEM HALTED
>
>
> Yes, but what does it do when you run it? It _is_ Perl, is it not?
Doesn't look like Perl to me. Might be TECO, though.
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> we need a better name for such people. If newbies are experienced *N*X
> people new to debian (maybe they should be debies), perhaps we need
> another model.
Ah! Debian Debutant(e)s
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> On Mon, Feb 05, 2007 at 03:24:56PM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote:
> > Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> > >On Mon, Feb 05, 2007 at 02:07:39PM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote:
> > >
> > >>The one thing I really don't understand, thoug
bber. I like email and wiki. Especially if we're
not all in the same time zone.
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, I haven't
> got the chance (I just used NetInstall's default curses installer).
I seem to remember that lst time I used the etch netinstaller it asked
me if I wanted the graphical installer or the text-mode installer.
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nal emailing
> >>just to say "Aie!". Drop me an AIM/MSN/Jabber contact so I can reach you
> >>beyond email if possible.
> >>
> >
> >Aie!
> >
> >Don't have AIM/MSN/Jabber. I like email and wiki. Especially if we're
&g
As for GPL, I've never figured out how the linking rules apply to
documentation.
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o work without X is essential.
>
> With that in mind, for package management I suggest interactive aptitude
> from the outset.
>
> If we do our job right, we should be able to give someone who hasn't
> seen a computer before:
>
> a computer that just
s* home, with all the attendant
uncertainty of what to do if the wiki goes defunct.
We *do* need a site to point readers to, though, whether a wiki
or some other.
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>
> What do people think?
>
> Doug.
>
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> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >[...]
> >
> >
> >I'm in favour of using an open standard for our definitive file
> >format. The obvious one is docbook, since that is used by other
> >Debian documentation. We should at least confirm to
document is now licensed under GPL v2. Please let me know if there is
> anything else I can do.
possibly the LGPL or the WxWindows leicence to make it easier for
producers of other software to incorporate some or all of our
documentation, possibly in file formats not yet conceive
isn't embedded into my brain (Yet...) it'd
> just be a lot simpler to stick with what I've been reading up on.
>
> Plus, iptables is in the kernel, which means it's not an excess app;
> That gives it extra awesomeness credits right there.
I'm someone else. I thin
On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 11:50:23PM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote:
>
> Or if you feel brave, mutt-ng from experimental. I you set up your mail
> to use Maildir than you can switch mail clients with problems, or even
utable code, and our stuff might be
embedded in strings within a code library.
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> > > debian)
Novicedoc is a much better name than newbiedoc.
Now if we could find another word for newbie ... "newbie" sounds
undignified, and, more to the point, pejorative.
Let's not start by insulting our intended audie
On Thu, Feb 08, 2007 at 09:27:40AM -, marc wrote:
> Daniel B. said...
> > Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> > > On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 10:09:30PM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote:
> > ...
> > > Pdf can have internal links as well as a table of contents that one can
> > > click on. On the other hand, on
On Thu, Feb 08, 2007 at 09:54:28AM -0500, Stephen wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 09:28:33PM + or thereabouts, David Hart wrote:
> > On Wed 2007-02-07 15:57:07 -0500, Stephen wrote:
> > > On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 07:22:01PM + or thereabouts, David Hart wrote:
>
> [ ...]
>
> > Snipped fr
deleted when they tell a MUA to
> > delete a mail. I'd call that a bug.
> >
> Switching from mbox to Maildir would probably fix it as well.
Does that mean that with Maildirs you lose teh ability to undelete
messages?
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've added your tip to my apt cheat sheet.
Yes! Yes! It's packages.debian.org
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a look at Writer's Market, available as a printed book as well
as an on-line database, www.writersmarket.com. There's also a book,
Novel & Short Story Writer's Market. Both of them are published by
Writer's Digest Books. They list a large number of publishers, also
mention
> >before CSS had even been invented.
>
> Of course! (Why do you point that out?)
Because I was replying to a post that suggested that CSS was the first
thing that enabled a web page to adjust to a user's browser.
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> should be careful in any area.
> Also if a better file system suits for such large partitions :-)
>
> Thankyou so much
>
> kind regards
>
> Siju
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_systems
Also lots of links in
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_systems
I remember when I got to use a machine without the regular RAM we all
take for granted now; main memory was a magnetic drum with tracks of
108 29-bit words. The length of a loop was quantized to be a multiple
of time for a complete drum revolution.
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ning . . .
>
> Speaking of learning, you shouldn't be running 'du' and 'dpkg -l' with
> sudo; they'll run just fine as a normal user.
Won't they have a hard time with directories and files that are not
readable by the normal user?
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non-readable files:
>
> ~$ cat /etc/shadow
> cat: /etc/shadow: Permission denied
> ~$ du /etc/shadow
> 1 /etc/shadow
And does du also work with nonreadable directories?
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> Sorry, my ignorance.
Why sorry? What better reason to ask the question?
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have installed etch
> on the same "logical volume". The udevd you have installed now requires
> a kernel version of 2.6.14 or newer.
But the etchtobe system is at present just a copy of the sarge system,
with the necessary changes to fstab. So it presumably has the same udev
as the
inal developers pretty well ensures that some of it
has become lost along the way.
Finally, there is documentation for beginners -- the how-to's that tell
them how to do something, provided they have already figured out what it
is they need to to and where to find the how-to. Which pro
is built to look for / in
> place and you've moved it (which you've done by changing the root=
> parameter, then maybe that is the problem. Try chrooting into the new
> system and building a new initrd from within the chroot. It has worked
> for me before (etch) when mov
s hope that the upgrade team does its work and everything works
smoothly. But stacking a libc6 transition on top of two X transitions
-- one to Xorg, andother to break it up and make it modular may be too
much for them.
>
> In any case, make sure you have /home in a separate partition
inally installed on /dev/hda3.
It worked there. Then I rewired the hard drives and /dev/hda3 became
/dev/hdc3. A few edits to its /etc/fstab and everything worked fin
again. It the physical location of / was built into initrd, it would
have failed then. Unless initrd is sensitive to d
f a non-etch targeted
> upload is ahead of an etch-targeted upload, then there is a
> problem. This is second hand info, though.
I seem to remember reading that if there was some package that they
absolutely *had* to upload despite the freeze, they should do it to
experimental.
-- hen
DE drives
before it asked me what its status should be. I couldn't get around to
tell it to ignore a disk withiut it crashing first.
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DOS-Emulator like a shell in the console and
> no X-Driven things which need at least 64 MByte of memory to
> drive a program which consumes 300 kByte.
I remember when I had an X-terminal that had only 8 megabytes of RAM.
It was sweet.
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Open 'http://people.debi...oft/pub/debian.exe'?
Type: Windows Executable
[] Do not ask again
(Save As) (Open with 'WINE') (Cancel)
This looks like a microsoft-specific page. Do I have to change my
browser to make it work in Debian ;=)
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>
> There was no upward compatibility between the 8080 and the 8086.
> --
> John Hasler
There was some at the assembly-language level -- it was possible to
write conversion utilities that did *most* of the job.
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> >
> > (Save As) (Open with 'WINE') (Cancel)
> >
> >
> > This looks like a microsoft-specific page. Do I have to change my
> > browser to make it work in Debian ;=)
>
> Oh, come on, Hendrik, I thought you knew better. ;o) It's &q
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Linux april 2.6.18-3-amd64 #1 SMP Mon Dec 4 17:04:37 CET 2006 x86_64
GNU/Linux
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> bottom of page results.
My firefox seems to know US Letter, and conplains that my
printer (which has US Letter paper) doesn't support it and therefore it
refuses to even try to print.
:-(
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I've tried 'locate' and guessing. What *are* the proper options to specify for
g++ so that it will access the include files and linbraries and such for
WxWidgets 2.6?
As far as I know, I have the proper packages installed. Could anyone tell me
for sure whether this is the right list?
libwxba
them. If 7,
it will leave you one.
Also -- better be sure fdupes is not fooled by symbolic links into
thingking the original is a duplicate. Or by one file system being
mounted at multiple locations.
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ET_BITS=64 -D_LARGE_FILES
> -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE=1 -DNO_GCC_PRAGMA
>
> Sorry for the noise
>
> Wackojacko
Well, the referral to wx-config was the information I needed.
I had looked through the documentation, and hadn't found it.
Thanks.
Now I have to figure out what to do with my UT
ackup
system by actual use *before* the upgrade.)
So the short anwser is, yes, what you propose will work,
But be prepared for a disaster to hit at an unexpected time if you do
it.
> I think it would be
> great it I never had to reinstall, yet could still have a completely
> up-t
time. And you
probably won't get any security upgrades either.
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-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 684724 2006-03-22 19:23 /bin/bash
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2006-04-26 10:28 /bin/sh -> bash
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So it looks as if the right files are there.
Running ETCH on a 32-bit AMD processor. Keeping it up-to-date.
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-rwxr-xr-x 1 hendrik hendrik 31945 2006-05-23 08:57 txt
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Reformatting strace(
showed
the script as executable; whereas in fact it was not.
Adding the 'exec' mount option fixed the problem.
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>
> The script is as follows:
>
> #!/bin/sh
> nohup gnucash /home/parents/accounts/05/work &
> nohup gnucash /home/parents/accounts/05/ho
whereas in fact it was not.
Adding the 'exec' mount option fixed the problem.
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> Thinking this ight have to
> to with the recent C++ library changes, I recompiled it. But this did
> not help. I decided to strace, and get a clue what it might be trying
> to
> > to with the recent C++ library changes, I recompiled it. But this did
> > not help. I decided to strace, and get a clue what it might be trying
> > to do:
> >
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> > -rwxr-xr-x 1 hendrik hendr
solved the problem, posted my solution, and had quite a few nice people
wasting their time telling me what I had already figured out. Then, the
next day. my solution appeared, which, if it had happened earlier, might
have saved everyone some trouble.
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On Wed, May 31, 2006 at 09:32:37AM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote:
> Paul Johnson wrote:
> > Just wait until Alito "elects" Bush to a third term as president of the US
> > in
> > a 5 to 4 swing decision. Same as the last two elections, just change the
> > names of the 7 people allowed to vote in the l
is it really practical to expect 6,000,000 ballots[0], most
> of which are analog, to all be cast correctly and then counted
> correctly?
>
> No. Too much human intervention.
True. But there's a big difference between human error and a court
decision blocking them from bein
bc.so.6
#1 0x2ac30cfb in malloc () from /lib/libc.so.6
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ed like twisted metal in one case and a woman shaking her fist
> at heaven in another.
>
> They were having such a riot, they talked the city governments into
> giving them even more money to start a rail line. It's faster than the
> bus, but only if you want to go to a very selective spot in the
> downtown of a member city. Otherwise you have to use the rail to get to
> a bus stop so you can still have a 2 hour long ride.
>
> I don't buy into the public transportation sales pitch, if you can call
> it that.
That doesn's sound like public transportation at all.
That sounds like a shill set up so that poeple will get the
understanding that public transportation can't work.
I've lived in cities where public transportation really did work.
And in ones where it didn't.
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what you think the work 'debian' refers to...
>
> If you are uing XP, then you are on the wrong list.
>
> If you would rather not have to pay for your software, then
> you are using the wrong operatng system...
That said, is there a motorola L6 phone driver for Debian?
An
my AMD-64 [running etch].
> Actually, I'm probably only barely started.
My son, [EMAIL PROTECTED], is having a similar problem on a 32-bit
Athlon, so the problem appears not to be AMD64-specific.
I'm crossposting this to debian-user, and followups should be sent
there.
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>
u're stuck with your initial partition map.)
The only reason I used a swap partition on at least one of my machines
is that the installer refused to proceed unless I created a swap
partition.
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> mostly my fault) and recovers nicely and quickly on restart.
I use reiser. And quotas. It only quotas could recover as fast.
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> boot menu from which you can boot into any HD, USB, or E-SATA attached
> to the system. How cool is that?
That sounds useful. Just at what moment do you press F8?
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if you don't already have one -- onto a new drive -- don't overwrite an
old backup in case the data *are* corrupt*.
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start of this posting. I suspec the -phigh is just to avoid lots of
detailed questions, rather than make anything work. What do I do to get
past this obstacle?
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That may be, but I just looked through the archive for June and May and
I didn't find it.
Google found me a page from the Debian X FAQ that is Xfree-specific; but
I haven't found anything for xorg.
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On Fri, Jun 09, 2006 at 08:44:03PM -0700, David E. Fox wrote:
> On Fri, 12 May 2006 11:30:12 -0700
> Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > this is what maildir format is. A maildir is a directory with lots of
> > text files in them. each text file is a single email with all its
d disappeared in response to regular maintenance upgrades.
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On Sun, Jun 11, 2006 at 08:19:00PM +0200, Joris Huizer wrote:
> Sam Rosenfeld wrote:
> >I am using Debian Sarge with a 2.4.27 linux kernel. To replace this
> >kernel with a late 2.6 kernel, is it a simple apt-get install? If so, is
> >there any danger of wiping out parts of my home directory? If
ould appreciate any help.
>
> sam
New kernels don't replace old kernels; they are installed alongside
them. (exception, when there's a bugfix for essentially the same
version of the kernel -- then it does replace).
That way if everything falls apart with the new kernel, you can retreat
to the old one.
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some entry in some configuration
file?
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onion,
and change their gropu IDs accordingly. Leave off the colons if you
want them to stay in the old group.
Read
man chown
first, to make sure you know what it's doing.
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their gropu IDs accordingly. Leave off the colons if you
> > want them to stay in the old group.
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> But this will change *all* the files, not just the files
> currently owned by user [blah]. Which is not what the
> original poster wanted.
>
That's right! I missed that bit
no useful methods.
Apparently the package system just isn't designed for this.
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screens found
As far as I know, I have *nothing* left from version 8756.
Except for that one virtual package, which is bold-faced
for no obvious reason, but whose dependencies are all marked purged.
Where do I start to look for the 8756 stuff that it finds but I can't?
Or is this a s
ng.
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Thanks.
Everything I see there that has a relevant number as part of its file
name has 8762 and not 8756.
In fact, locate 8756 gives me:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ locate 8756
/farhome/hendrik/dn/apebox/nvidia-kernel-source_1.0.8756-1_amd64.deb
/farhome/parents/.mozilla/default/qaffyjas.slt/Cac
en be worth having an automated
process look through the entire file system looking for things that
are there but not part of any package (file trees like /tmp and /home
exempted, of course.) Of course there will be some legitimate files
there, too, especially in /etc, but such a list might still be useful.
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ckage.
Is this correct? Is modules.ofmap really supposed to be there?
And if so,
why isn't is part of a package?
And if not,
why does the corresponding one for 2.6.15 evince no complaints?
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> again one more time and updating I found the 2.6.15
> images with wajig search kernel image but not with
> linux-image. did the 2.6.12 images go to stable as I
> don't see it in the listing. AAMF, I only see 2.4.27,
> 2.6.8, 2.6.15 and 2.6.16 images and I think there are
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do *anything at all* to it while
it is down. But if they try to do anything at all woth the NFS-mounted
system, eve, unmount it, they hang forever.
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in their names
and delete them, look for any stray files not part of any package and
delete any that look suspicious, and then begin to install the stuff
again from scratch, downloading .debs, compiling kernel modules, etc.
Anything else I should watch out for?
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And they should be told just how to do this --
which files to
delete and which, if any, to keep. Or else making sure that they do it all in
a new, fresh
directory instead of within /usr/src.
In fact, I'd appreciate knowing just what things in /usr/src are dispensible,
and which are
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