On Mon, Feb 05, 2007 at 01:02:01PM -0800, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > On Mon, Feb 05, 2007 at 03:24:56PM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: > > Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > > >On Mon, Feb 05, 2007 at 02:07:39PM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: > > > > > >>The one thing I really don't understand, though, is why people use > > >>Ubuntu. > > >> > > > > > >bleh. responsing anyway... > > > > > >I return to the example of my mom. Many people don't want to "update" > > >their system. They want it to just work and stay that way. Many users, > > >especially novices, don't deal well with change and don't want > > >it. Ubuntu, if you don't upgrade, is perfect in this respect. At the > > >time it is released, it just works. If you leave it there, if will, of > > >course, just work forever. > > >[...] > > But it's the same way with Debian Stable/Testing. If you want a system > > that just /works/, you can run Stable. If Stable is too outdated/doesn't > > support your hardware, give Testing a run. If you really need a few > > programs (For me running Testing, I'll use checkinstall as an example) > > and don't mind a few bugs you can always install from source (Since > > everything in the repositories is GPL/BSD anyway). > > okay, clarification. and this is no defense of ubuntu. I am > indifferent. Ubuntu has a default environment that just works and is > fully implemented. Debian does too, but its not so obvious as you have > to select it at the last stage of installation. So, yes running debian > stable (or frankly just not upgrading any install of debian at some > point where you're satisfied with it) is effectively the same > thing. But getting there is not as direct as with ubuntu. ubuntu > caters to the windows user who wants to plug in the disk and have a > full blown working desktop without any real intervening stuff. (I know > this is not reality...). In debian you can do that, but you have to > know to pick that selection at the end.
Do you mean that to gt Debian to appeal to this wider audience all we need to do is have a different installer? > If you don't you end up here > with the "I think I did something wrong because all I get is 'login:'" > emails. > > Alright, I'm losing track of my thoughts now. bleh. let it go. We all > agree, it needs to be easier for newbs without giving up the soul of > debian ;) > > A -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
