Re: oh no something is definitely wrong adieu debian.

2013-08-30 Thread berenger . morel
Le 30.08.2013 10:23, Joe a écrit : On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 20:09:44 +0200 Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Thu, 2013-08-29 at 18:58 +0100, Joe wrote: > Some of the English also like beer, and while German lagers are well > respected, so are Belgian and Danish ones, and some of us prefer > unpasteurised bi

Re: difference Debian, solaris, freebsd

2013-08-30 Thread berenger . morel
Le 29.08.2013 19:09, Ralf Mardorf a écrit : On Thu, 2013-08-29 at 19:00 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: PS: I wouldn't install Debian's FreeBSD, test the "real" FreeBSD first. PPS: The reason for this is, that there's a FreeBSD community and I guess there is not a huge Debian GNU/kFreeBSD communi

Re: TEST

2013-08-30 Thread berenger . morel
Le 30.08.2013 09:15, Anthony Campbell a écrit : On 29 Aug 2013, staticsafe wrote: On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 01:04:35PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > My MUA replied unwanted several times to "Re: apt-get upgrade problem > with libenchant1c2a". I got several times an error, but seemingly it was

Re: A notification tray?

2013-08-30 Thread berenger . morel
Le 29.08.2013 17:20, Sharon Kimble a écrit : Cinnamon and Gnome 3 both have a tray that holds all notification messages until their read and deleted. These messages are ones like saying that your backup has just started, or you’ve got 3 new emails, nice simple easily forgotten ones. But, what i

Re: oh no something is definitly wrong adieu debian.

2013-08-30 Thread berenger . morel
Le 30.08.2013 12:59, Phi Debian a écrit : Amazingly I needed to do a check on ubuntu raring, so I quickly setup a raring guest. And as I am at it, dit the panel->properties->[background] test, and it got killed with out any 'oh no' message, so even harder to understand what happen :) I may be b

Re: oh no something is definitly wrong adieu debian.

2013-08-30 Thread berenger . morel
Le 30.08.2013 17:55, Sharon Kimble a écrit : On Fri, 30 Aug 2013 17:35:39 +0200 berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 30.08.2013 05:04, Phi Debian a écrit : > Hi Gary, > > Thanx you for getting back to the original post :) while I admit I > > did learn a bit of history about distro, displ

Re: oh no something is definitly wrong adieu debian.

2013-08-30 Thread berenger . morel
Le 30.08.2013 05:04, Phi Debian a écrit : Hi Gary, Thanx you for getting back to the original post :) while I admit I did learn a bit of history about distro, display manager, etc... :) [snip] And what about cloning the git of vncserver, install development dependencies, and configure/ma

Re: What's the easiest and/or simplest part of Linux Kernel?

2013-08-30 Thread berenger . morel
Le 30.08.2013 15:11, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : On 8/30/2013 2:00 AM, Joel Rees wrote: Okay, so, for you, supporting inheritance and polymorphism at run-time rather than at compile time is not sufficiently OOP. And I don't particularly care about that distinction. I'm fine with ending the di

Re: Choosing among "Desktop Enviroments" and/or "Windows Managers"

2013-09-18 Thread berenger . morel
To switch between DEs, you can do it with the usual connection managers, IIRC. But I personally prefer to login on TTY and then start the window manager/DE of my choice. Usually, DEs have a 'start-my_favorite_de' command to do that. If you are tired about starting them by hand everytime, you ca

Re: Choosing among "Desktop Enviroments" and/or "Windows Managers"

2013-09-18 Thread berenger . morel
Le 18.09.2013 14:22, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org a écrit : To switch between DEs, you can do it with the usual connection managers, IIRC. But I personally prefer to login on TTY and then start the window manager/DE of my choice. Usually, DEs have a 'start-my_favorite_de' command to do that. I

Re: Re: One-Stop Debian Box Config Tool: Call for Collaborators!

2013-09-18 Thread berenger . morel
Le 14.09.2013 10:25, Jarrod O'Flaherty a écrit : Yes! That's it, essentially. You have put it very well here. I wish I had described it in that way. I am, in a nutshell, looking to make the process of applying what we find on Wikis and message boards -- all of which is fantastically helpful --

Re: Thank you - was [Re: Choosing among "Desktop Enviroments" and/or "Windows Managers"]

2013-09-18 Thread berenger . morel
Le 18.09.2013 13:31, Richard Owlett a écrit : Richard Owlett wrote: /Background [snip] /Questions 1. Given that I prefer LILO over GRUB and xfce over Gnome/lxde/kde, what GUIs should I investigate further. 2. Given that internet is effectively non-existent and internal/external disk space is

Re: Thank you - was [Re: Choosing among "Desktop Enviroments" and/or "Windows Managers"]

2013-09-18 Thread berenger . morel
Le 18.09.2013 22:28, Richard Owlett a écrit : berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: [*SNIP*] I guess this is why Debian meet my needs: you can tinker things easily, and so learn a lot even if you have poor starting knowledge. But do not worry, it seem that on that list, everyone is still learni

Re: Don't want a desktop environment

2013-09-22 Thread berenger . morel
Le 21.09.2013 21:41, Fred a écrit : but I understand I need to do more than that. Seems like I need some display manager also? I did try to do aptitude install slim which installs, but it's not like it magically autostarts when I boot the system. What I need is to config slim to autostart, wh

Re: Don't want a desktop environment

2013-09-22 Thread berenger . morel
Le 22.09.2013 01:14, Paul Cartwright a écrit : On 09/21/2013 03:58 PM, Josef Bailey wrote: i3 is a very good wm I just installed & ran I3. I have a couple of issues. 1. it breaks Thunderbirds "n" to go to Next Message in another folder. So you have to constantly use the mouse to move to the

Re: Building computer

2013-09-28 Thread berenger . morel
Le 28.09.2013 13:33, Stan Hoeppner a écrit : Hi Catherine, I haven't caught up with the rest of the thread but just wanted to address a couple points here. On 9/26/2013 11:12 AM, Catherine Gramze wrote: On Sep 26, 2013, at 1:05 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote: What desktop applications are yo

Re: Building computer

2013-09-28 Thread berenger . morel
Le 28.09.2013 22:46, Stan Hoeppner a écrit : On 9/28/2013 8:14 AM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 28.09.2013 13:33, Stan Hoeppner a écrit : Hi Catherine, I haven't caught up with the rest of the thread but just wanted to address a couple points here. On 9/26/2013 11:12 AM, Cather

boot problem: stuck at "Switching to clocksource tsc"

2013-10-05 Thread berenger . morel
Hi. Since my last kernel update my desktop can not boot anymore, it is stuck at "Switching to clocksource tsc". Also, nothing at all reply, even the keyboard does just nothing. Of course, I was stupid enough to remove the last kernel without testing it, and I have no idea about what is wrong.

Re: About debain kernel stable repo

2013-10-06 Thread berenger . morel
Le 06.10.2013 11:11, 陶治江 a écrit : Hello! I am using debian wheezy, and now I want to focus on the kernel study, or other stuffs. I can install release code from linux-source-3.2.xx package, But I want to ask whether we can access or track the debian official kernel repos (of stable relea

Recovery mode: impossible to run dpkg ( was Re: boot problem: stuck at "Switching to clocksource tsc" )

2013-10-06 Thread berenger . morel
Le 05.10.2013 14:54, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org a écrit : Hi. Since my last kernel update my desktop can not boot anymore, it is stuck at "Switching to clocksource tsc". Also, nothing at all reply, even the keyboard does just nothing. Of course, I was stupid enough to remove the last kernel w

Re: You can have any color you want - as long as it's Gnome?

2013-10-07 Thread berenger . morel
Le 07.10.2013 09:10, Oliver Fairhall a écrit : Thanks for posting on this Jape. I'm new to Debian (preparing to install soon) and will likely be caught by this. Hope it's OK to ask some newby questions. I do not remember having read that this list is for experts only ;) On 07/10/13 02:31, Jap

Re: Recovery mode: impossible to run dpkg ( was Re: boot problem: stuck at "Switching to clocksource tsc" )

2013-10-07 Thread berenger . morel
Le 06.10.2013 18:34, Curt a écrit : On 2013-10-06, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Any idea about how to be able to run terminal stuff correctly in recovery mode? Maybe changing the terminal (if so, how could I do that?)? export TERM=linux says google Thanks. But, this line does o

Re: Compiz on Debian 7.1 problem

2013-10-07 Thread berenger . morel
Le 07.10.2013 12:44, Douglas Brito a écrit : good day, please be possible to add repositories in compiz again, many users here in Brazil, the viviaolinux.org need this package and it is no longer possible to use the debian, some are switching distributions for this problem, it is not possible t

Re: You can have any color you want - as long as it's Gnome?

2013-10-07 Thread berenger . morel
Le 07.10.2013 15:12, Curt a écrit : On 2013-10-07, Oliver Fairhall wrote: I want a light weight DE, and was thinking to use XFCE (been fine on my other distros). I'm at best an intermediate level with Linux, so will likely struggle with not installing Gnome (really don't want Gnome or KDE

Re: You can have any color you want - as long as it's Gnome?

2013-10-07 Thread berenger . morel
Le 07.10.2013 16:02, Curt a écrit : On 2013-10-07, Curt wrote: With the wheezy netinstaller you simply choose 'Advanced Options' on the first page you're presented with, then 'Alternative desktop environments," then 'Xfce.' No Gnome. With this version of the netinstaller at least that's t

Re: schroot

2013-10-07 Thread berenger . morel
Le 07.10.2013 18:38, shawn wilson a écrit : This is at the top of every config file, but I can't find it documented: . "$SETUP_DATA_DIR/common-data" . "$SETUP_DATA_DIR/common-functions" . "$SETUP_DATA_DIR/common-config" Where is this being sourced from (ie, where is the 'common-data' file?)

Re: Debian wheezy boot problem - Boot sector not identified by board

2013-10-07 Thread berenger . morel
Le 07.10.2013 09:54, Roland RoLaNd a écrit : All, I have an intel dh77kc board. it previously had windows 7 installed on it. i tried installing debian wheezy net install. installation goes perfectly fine up untill reboot. once reboot is done, i get " Initializing and establishing link" and imm

Re: schroot

2013-10-07 Thread berenger . morel
Le 07.10.2013 18:59, Shawn Wilson a écrit : berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 07.10.2013 18:38, shawn wilson a écrit : This is at the top of every config file, but I can't find it documented: . "$SETUP_DATA_DIR/common-data" . "$SETUP_DATA_DIR/common-functions" . "$SETUP_DATA_DIR/common

Re: schroot

2013-10-07 Thread berenger . morel
Le 07.10.2013 19:50, shawn wilson a écrit : Not a bad idea. However: find / -type f -print0 | xargs -0 -i{} -P 10 grep -H 'SETUP_DATA_DIR=' {} 2> /dev/null found nothing. On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 1:05 PM, wrote: Le 07.10.2013 18:59, Shawn Wilson a écrit : berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wro

Re: apt-get vs. aptitude

2013-10-08 Thread berenger . morel
Le 08.10.2013 13:33, Florian Lindner a écrit : Hello, Since I'm about to setup a new server using current stable wheezy, I want to recheck some of debian knowledge. What is the prefered tool for installing on the CLI? apt-get or aptitude? Last time I read about it, it was aptitude, due to b

Re: apt-get vs. aptitude

2013-10-08 Thread berenger . morel
Le 08.10.2013 15:28, Whit Hansell a écrit : On 10/08/2013 08:57 AM, Morten Bo Johansen wrote: On 2013-10-08 Florian Lindner wrote: What is the prefered tool for installing on the CLI? apt-get or aptitude? Last time I read about it, it was aptitude, due to better dependency checking. What is

Re: I have an Openoffice question for small business.

2013-10-08 Thread berenger . morel
Le 08.10.2013 14:10, Ezequiel a écrit : Hi all: I am Sysadmin at a small business. We have a complete mail-web-vpn infrastructure and my boss is happy with it. I guess we are a successful case of open software use in the "real world" But -of course, there is always an issue- my users keep com

Re: I have an Openoffice question for small business.

2013-10-08 Thread berenger . morel
Le 08.10.2013 16:14, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org a écrit : Le 08.10.2013 14:10, Ezequiel a écrit : Hi all: I am Sysadmin at a small business. We have a complete mail-web-vpn infrastructure and my boss is happy with it. I guess we are a successful case of open software use in the "real world"

Re: apt-get vs. aptitude

2013-10-08 Thread berenger . morel
Le 08.10.2013 16:15, Richard Owlett a écrit : berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 08.10.2013 13:33, Florian Lindner a écrit : Hello, Since I'm about to setup a new server using current stable wheezy, I want to recheck some of debian knowledge. What is the prefered tool for installing

apt-pinning, strange behavior

2013-10-08 Thread berenger . morel
Since I had to reinstall from my last kernel error, I decided to stay with stable on that computer, but I need some softwares in less outdated versions, like development libraries or i3 ( this one is not a need but a question of comfort, I admit ), so I want to use apt-pining. I have set all p

Re: apt-pinning, strange behavior

2013-10-08 Thread berenger . morel
Le 08.10.2013 22:42, Sven Joachim a écrit : On 2013-10-08 19:06 +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Since I had to reinstall from my last kernel error, I decided to stay with stable on that computer, but I need some softwares in less outdated versions, like development libraries or i

which MTA to choose for a simple client?

2013-10-08 Thread berenger . morel
Hi. I finally decided myself to install a software to manage my mails. So, I think I'll go for mutt: it appears quite often on the list ( so I might ask if I have problems, before trying another one when everything will be ok ) and runs into a terminal, which makes it perfect for me since I us

Re: google-chrome-unstable apparently removes its executable

2013-10-08 Thread berenger . morel
Le 09.10.2013 02:43, Stephen Allen a écrit : On Sun, Oct 06, 2013 at 11:42:15AM -0400, Patrick Wiseman wrote: Updating two testing systems this morning, I found that my Chrome suddenly became unable to find any web pages. Attempting to relaunch, it wasn't there! 'which google-chrome' return

Re: apt-pinning, strange behavior

2013-10-09 Thread berenger . morel
Le 09.10.2013 11:17, Marko Randjelovic a écrit : On Wed, 09 Oct 2013 00:12:46 +0200 berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 08.10.2013 22:42, Sven Joachim a écrit : > On 2013-10-08 19:06 +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: > >> Since I had to reinstall from my last kernel error, I d

Re: which MTA to choose for a simple client?

2013-10-09 Thread berenger . morel
Le 09.10.2013 04:48, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : On 10/8/2013 9:13 PM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Hi. I finally decided myself to install a software to manage my mails. So, I think I'll go for mutt: it appears quite often on the list ( so I might ask if I have problems, before trying a

Re: which MTA to choose for a simple client?

2013-10-09 Thread berenger . morel
Le 09.10.2013 04:57, Celejar a écrit : What would you use as a MTA on a Debian system made for an end-user? I've used Exim, basically because it's (was?) the Debian default. I do not want a default software just because it is the default. Otherwise I would have be perfectly happy with wind

Re: which MTA to choose for a simple client?

2013-10-09 Thread berenger . morel
Le 09.10.2013 11:08, Jochen Spieker a écrit : berenger.mo...@neutralite.org: I finally decided myself to install a software to manage my mails. Good luck! My impression is that this is one of the few things that have not become considerably easier on Linux in the last ten years. Mutt is st

Re: which MTA to choose for a simple client?

2013-10-09 Thread berenger . morel
Le 09.10.2013 14:05, Curt a écrit : What use do you find for an MTA if you're using IMAP? I do not know, really. I simply have read here and there that it was needed, and since I have noticed so much choice in aptitude, I asked here to understand what solution would be the best. If it is to

Re: apt-get vs. aptitude

2013-10-09 Thread berenger . morel
Le 09.10.2013 15:39, Richard Owlett a écrit : berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 08.10.2013 16:15, Richard Owlett a écrit : [snip] I'm experimenting with a very lean idiosyncratic install. It sounds as aptitude will be appropriate for me. Off to read man pages etc ;) Don't copy me!

Re: Tool for investigating dependency chains?

2013-10-09 Thread berenger . morel
Le 09.10.2013 17:22, Richard Owlett a écrit : I'm in the process of doing some idiosyncratic minimalistic installs using the "--no-install-recommends" option of apt-get. What I would like to do is enter the package name. The tool's response would be a list of the recommended packages and thei

Re: apt-get vs. aptitude

2013-10-09 Thread berenger . morel
Le 09.10.2013 19:11, Dmitrii Kashin a écrit : I met situations when aptitude completly broke functioning of APT. APT utilities in their turn are simpler, and they are more preferred to manage packages. Just curious here, how could aptitude break apt? AFAIK, both uses dpkg for packages' insta

Re: Tool for investigating dependency chains?

2013-10-09 Thread berenger . morel
Le 09.10.2013 19:49, Richard Owlett a écrit : If I can correctly read and follow instructions (friends and family tend to doubt), the above tells me too much about what is already installed and not enough about what is not installed :( Hehe, I can understand your friends, or maybe I was not cle

Re: I have an Openoffice question for small business.

2013-10-09 Thread berenger . morel
Le 09.10.2013 23:04, Joe a écrit : On Wed, 9 Oct 2013 12:52:43 -0300 Ezequiel wrote: Thanks to all for your replies. I am actually pinning OO in order to use oldstable versions. I guess I will try to compile it an make my own repos. You were very helpfull. Bear in mind that OOo and LO use J

Re: apt-pinning, strange behavior

2013-10-10 Thread berenger . morel
Le 09.10.2013 19:28, Dmitrii Kashin a écrit : berenger.mo...@neutralite.org writes: Since I had to reinstall from my last kernel error, I decided to stay with stable on that computer, but I need some softwares in less outdated versions, like development libraries or i3 ( this one is not a ne

Re: I have an Openoffice question for small business.

2013-10-10 Thread berenger . morel
Le 10.10.2013 10:24, Joe a écrit : On Wed, 09 Oct 2013 23:21:29 +0200 berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 09.10.2013 23:04, Joe a écrit : > On Wed, 9 Oct 2013 12:52:43 -0300 > Ezequiel wrote: > >> Thanks to all for your replies. I am actually pinning OO in order >> to use oldstable versi

Re: Tool for investigating dependency chains?

2013-10-10 Thread berenger . morel
Le 10.10.2013 13:36, Richard Owlett a écrit : It does not tell me: A. the names of packages it recommends be also installed B. the description of those packages It does. Go on that package, and press "enter". This will open a new tab with the same info, but with the targeted package being

Re: apt-get vs. aptitude

2013-10-10 Thread berenger . morel
Le 10.10.2013 14:30, Erwan David a écrit : On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 12:47:08PM CEST, "David L. Craig" said: On 13Oct09:2153+0100, Joe wrote: > On Wed, 09 Oct 2013 13:24:57 -0500 > Richard Owlett wrote: > > > > > Being retired, I've no aspirations of being a sysadmin. > > > > > > > If you run

Re: Tool for investigating dependency chains?

2013-10-10 Thread berenger . morel
Le 10.10.2013 15:02, Richard Owlett a écrit : berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 10.10.2013 13:36, Richard Owlett a écrit : It does not tell me: A. the names of packages it recommends be also installed B. the description of those packages It does. Go on that package, and press "ent

Re: reinstalling Nginx & others usin apt from command line

2013-10-10 Thread berenger . morel
Le 10.10.2013 19:54, Gregory Nowak a écrit : On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 06:21:55PM +0100, Brad Rogers wrote: Hello Brad, Not entirely true; Any package that has configuration files/directories in user space will have those left even after an apt-get(1) purge. So, to be sure, one has to dele

Re: reinstalling Nginx & others usin apt from command line

2013-10-10 Thread berenger . morel
Le 10.10.2013 20:20, Brad Rogers a écrit : On Thu, 10 Oct 2013 10:54:57 -0700 Gregory Nowak wrote: Hello Gregory, "purge purge is identical to remove except that packages are removed and purged (any configuration files are deleted too)." As has been said, the

Re: which file should I download

2013-10-10 Thread berenger . morel
Le 10.10.2013 22:06, Anjan Mitra a écrit : debian-7.1.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso [1] 2013-06-16 01:39 3.7G debian-7.1.0-amd64-DVD-2.iso [2] 2013-06-16 01:39 4.4G debian-7.1.0-amd64-DVD-3.iso [3] 2013-06-16 01:39 4.4G debian-update-7.1.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso [4] 2013-06-16 05:34 2.9G Links: -- [1] h

Re: reinstalling Nginx & others usin apt from command line

2013-10-10 Thread berenger . morel
Le 10.10.2013 21:59, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : On 10/10/2013 3:08 PM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 10.10.2013 20:20, Brad Rogers a écrit : On Thu, 10 Oct 2013 10:54:57 -0700 Gregory Nowak wrote: Hello Gregory, "purge purge is identical to remove except that packages a

Re: apt-pinning, strange behavior

2013-10-10 Thread berenger . morel
Le 10.10.2013 23:06, Dmitrii Kashin a écrit : berenger.mo...@neutralite.org writes: In the same priority range, the package which will be installed is the one with the highest priority, so it is fine to have one set of package with 500 ( or I could take 600 or any other value ) for low prior

Re: reinstalling Nginx & others usin apt from command line

2013-10-10 Thread berenger . morel
Le 11.10.2013 00:49, Gregory Nowak a écrit : On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 11:23:50PM +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Maybe you, since you know how it works. But, someone with no knowledge would think that it also removes userland configuration files, since it claims to remove all config

Re: reinstalling Nginx & others usin apt from command line

2013-10-10 Thread berenger . morel
Le 11.10.2013 01:20, Gregory Nowak a écrit : On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 12:59:32AM +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Yes, I know that this is the normal behavior. It purged system-wide configuration. But, the point is, that for some people, when they read the man page, they think that i

Re: reinstalling Nginx & others usin apt from command line

2013-10-11 Thread berenger . morel
Le 11.10.2013 06:10, John W. Foster a écrit : I stripped every reference to evolution from the entire file system, Including hidden folders? Try this: $cd ~ $find -iname '*evolution*' At that point, if you found something, then you forgot hidden folders, so do $rm -r `find -iname '*evolut

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

2013-10-11 Thread berenger . morel
Le 11.10.2013 13:03, Joel Rees a écrit : On the converse, I think it is a crime to promise (as makers of certain popular OSses do) that you can properly use a computer or other computer-based communication device without administering or managing the computer system. It is not. I can use rapid

Re: Installing Cinnamon 2.0

2013-10-11 Thread berenger . morel
Le 11.10.2013 19:42, Tom H a écrit : AIUI, MATE is a redo of GNOME 2 using GTK2 and Cinnamon a redo of GNOME 2 using GTK3. Will they merge at some point? Or have their interpretation and evolution of the GNOME 2 UI diverged enough for them to keep on co-existing? AFAIK, they are fork of diffe

Re: Installing Cinnamon 2.0

2013-10-11 Thread berenger . morel
Le 11.10.2013 19:43, Alex Moonshine a écrit : > > On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 16:50:01 +0200 > > Ralf Mardorf wrote: I'm speaking about upstream and here is one conflict: [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ sudo pacman -S mate-file-archiver resolving dependencies... looking for inter-conflicts... :: mate-file

Re: Installing Cinnamon 2.0

2013-10-11 Thread berenger . morel
Le 11.10.2013 20:44, Tom H a écrit : On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Have you considered NAS? No way! What's wrong with NAS to elicit such a rejection? GVFS is absolutely optional software. You only ever consider things from your limited use-case but upstream

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

2013-10-11 Thread berenger . morel
Le 11.10.2013 23:06, Brian a écrit : "are you root?" It does only means you own the system. Not that you can claim to be a sysadmin. I own my car. I am not a mechanic, but I anyway have the *authorizations* to tinker it. It's what root, or to be more precise, uid=0 means in linux OSes. --

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

2013-10-11 Thread berenger . morel
Le 11.10.2013 23:44, Brian a écrit : On Fri 11 Oct 2013 at 23:21:07 +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 11.10.2013 23:06, Brian a écrit : >"are you root?" It does only means you own the system. Not that you can claim to be a sysadmin. I own my car. I am not a mechanic, but I anyw

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

2013-10-11 Thread berenger . morel
Le 12.10.2013 00:01, Paul Cartwright a écrit : On 10/11/2013 05:21 PM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org [1] wrote: It does only means you own the system. Not that you can claim to be a sysadmin. I own my car. I am not a mechanic, but I anyway have the *AUTHORIZATIONS* to tinker it. It's what r

Re: Installing Cinnamon 2.0

2013-10-11 Thread berenger . morel
Le 12.10.2013 00:46, Tom H a écrit : On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 3:14 PM, wrote: Le 11.10.2013 20:44, Tom H a écrit : On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: You've also complained in this thread and previously about compliance with green drives. I could've replied: "I only ev

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

2013-10-11 Thread berenger . morel
Le 12.10.2013 02:24, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : On 10/11/2013 6:22 PM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 12.10.2013 00:01, Paul Cartwright a écrit : On 10/11/2013 05:21 PM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org [1] wrote: It does only means you own the system. Not that you can claim to be a s

gnome depends on adblock-plus

2013-10-11 Thread berenger . morel
Well, as I claimed more than once here, I am not a DE user, but I have read today something ( on linuxfr ) which surprise me a lot, and it seem that reading is true, from : gnome depends on xul-ext-adblock-plus. I always thought that dependencies were here for technical reasons, and I can not

Re: gnome depends on adblock-plus

2013-10-12 Thread berenger . morel
Le 12.10.2013 10:58, Marko Randjelovic a écrit : "One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie." :) apt-get install gnome-applets gnome-screenshot gnome-session gnome-panel gnome-termina

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

2013-10-12 Thread berenger . morel
Le 12.10.2013 13:50, Ralf Mardorf a écrit : On Sat, 2013-10-12 at 06:19 -0400, Paul Cartwright wrote: don't you think most home use "single-user" systems have 2 people ?? Germany has become a society of singles, solo parents and of people who live in relationships, but with separated house

RE: Installing Cinnamon 2.0

2013-10-12 Thread berenger . morel
Le 12.10.2013 14:04, Mark Allums a écrit : I'm not nagging about you. My concern is to nag about recommending a third party repository, that is known to cause issues. If the OP does like Cinnamon, then IMO the OP should use the official packages to ensure that it's as stable as possible and not

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

2013-10-12 Thread berenger . morel
Le 12.10.2013 15:16, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : On 10/12/2013 7:50 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Sat, 2013-10-12 at 06:19 -0400, Paul Cartwright wrote: don't you think most home use "single-user" systems have 2 people ?? Germany has become a society of singles, solo parents and of people who liv

RE: Installing Cinnamon 2.0

2013-10-12 Thread berenger . morel
Le 12.10.2013 15:42, Mark Allums a écrit : I might could change the typos in docs to become different typos in different places. I can't develop for MATE, it's not part of my skill set. I will encourage other people to get involved, that much, I can do. Package maintenance is not really a

Re: pcmanfm no window/gui, one user only

2013-10-14 Thread berenger . morel
Le 13.10.2013 13:44, Tazman Deville a écrit : On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 08:11:10PM +0200, Tony Baldwin wrote: Friends, For some reason, when I try to use pcmanfm as my user, I can not. I can start it as other users on the system, or with gksu or sudo, but not for my user. So it must be a conf

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

2013-10-14 Thread berenger . morel
Le 13.10.2013 15:40, Joel Rees a écrit : On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 7:11 AM, wrote: [...] if you think that people are free to give themselves the label they want, so you must accept that other are also free to give the labels they want. Long time ago, I studied the "dark side of computer sci

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

2013-10-14 Thread berenger . morel
Le 13.10.2013 14:41, Joel Rees a écrit : On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 6:21 AM, wrote: Le 11.10.2013 23:06, Brian a écrit : "are you root?" It does only means you own the system. Not that you can claim to be a sysadmin. I own my car. I am not a mechanic, but I anyway have the *authorizations*

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

2013-10-14 Thread berenger . morel
Le 13.10.2013 20:41, Chris Bannister a écrit : On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 12:11:01AM +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: >If you own a system you control it and can do whatever you like >with it. >You can give yourself whatever label you want (sysadmin, >superuser, top >dog etc) - it matt

Re: Installing Cinnamon 2.0

2013-10-14 Thread berenger . morel
Le 13.10.2013 23:23, Bob Proulx a écrit : Mark Allums wrote: Ralf Mardorf wrote: > I don't nag about endless lines, > ... > It's not the end of the world, but unfavourable when you argument about > not running into issues with your computer, while causing issues for the > list, when you're

Re: apt-get vs. aptitude

2013-10-14 Thread berenger . morel
Le 12.10.2013 18:10, msl09 a écrit : Oh I have fond memories of aptitude breaking my system. Once it suggested me to remove most of my system, including apt, I thought it was going to upgrade it so I confirmed it. I had to reinstall apt from the debian packages website. That's why I do not u

Re: apt-get vs. aptitude

2013-10-14 Thread berenger . morel
Le 13.10.2013 04:18, green a écrit : Tom H wrote at 2013-10-12 18:40 -0500: I suspect that the problem's in the examples above are simply PEBKAC. I use aptitude, and find it to be *more* useful than apt because of its *interactive* dependency resolver. Probably if people have trouble with a

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

2013-10-14 Thread berenger . morel
Le 14.10.2013 10:37, Joe a écrit : On Mon, 14 Oct 2013 07:53:50 +1300 Chris Bannister wrote: On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 09:19:18PM +0100, Joe wrote: > > though most include routers and other > > useless stuff. > > ..when it is normally customary to refer to them as routers. > Pedants might cal

Re: apt-get vs. aptitude

2013-10-14 Thread berenger . morel
Le 13.10.2013 19:44, Frank McCormick a écrit : On 13/10/13 01:02 PM, Chris Bannister wrote: On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 01:10:14PM -0300, msl09 wrote: Oh I have fond memories of aptitude breaking my system. Once it suggested me to remove most of my system, including apt, I thought it was going t

Re: Installing Cinnamon 2.0

2013-10-14 Thread berenger . morel
Le 14.10.2013 15:29, Ralf Mardorf a écrit : On Mon, 2013-10-14 at 15:21 +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Or simply do not use HTML. Endless line, for Evolution available by selecting "Preformatted": This has nothing to do with HTML, I can format my emails using plain text too, HTM

Re: Linux Professional Institute Certification (Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude))

2013-10-14 Thread berenger . morel
Le 14.10.2013 17:01, Joel Rees a écrit : I'm pretty sure the LPI site is translated into French, too. Yep. I have absolutely no problem with English... at least when it is written :) my speaking is probably ugly, since I can rarely practice it. Check it out: http://www.lpi-francophonie.org

Re: apt-get vs. aptitude

2013-10-14 Thread berenger . morel
Le 14.10.2013 16:38, Frank McCormick a écrit : On 14/10/13 09:52 AM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 13.10.2013 19:44, Frank McCormick a écrit : On 13/10/13 01:02 PM, Chris Bannister wrote: On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 01:10:14PM -0300, msl09 wrote: Oh I have fond memories of aptitude

Re: who could take the time to figure out how to contact linux ? so complicated !

2013-10-15 Thread berenger . morel
Le 14.10.2013 21:37, Konrad Neitzel a écrit : Hi! On Mon, 2013-10-14 at 13:57 -0500, Catherine Gramze wrote: We need to know first if Larry has a successfully running Debian installation, and if so, is it Wheezy, Jessie, Squeeze or Sid? I think Larry needs some help to modify his sources.

Re: apt-get upgrade (security packages)

2013-10-15 Thread berenger . morel
Le 14.10.2013 22:11, Pol Hallen a écrit : I can't everytime do updates from main repository because many packages of this server are patched. Using pinning for all of your packages is a solution, but I would not call it the easiest one. Why not simply freezing them in aptitude/apt-*/dpkg? F

Re: pcmanfm no window/gui, one user only

2013-10-15 Thread berenger . morel
Le 15.10.2013 12:42, Tazman Deville a écrit : On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 02:22:06PM +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 13.10.2013 13:44, Tazman Deville a écrit : >On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 08:11:10PM +0200, Tony Baldwin wrote: >>Friends, >> >>For some reason, when I try to use pcmanfm

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

2013-10-15 Thread berenger . morel
Le 15.10.2013 03:28, Catherine Gramze a écrit : On Mon, 14 Oct 2013 21:12:32 -0400 Jerry Stuckle wrote: Maybe where you are, but not in the world scheme of things. A router is a specific box. A (A)DSL modem may also contain a firewall, etc. But most (A)DSL modems, cable modems, etc., onl

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

2013-10-15 Thread berenger . morel
Le 15.10.2013 15:36, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : If you want to confuse things by getting into the OSI model, modems are Layer 1 (Physical). Routers are Layer 3 (Network). Thanks for precision. I stayed away from this because it's mainly of interest to engineers and network programmers; the only

Re: pcmanfm no window/gui, one user only

2013-10-15 Thread berenger . morel
Le 15.10.2013 23:38, Tazman Deville a écrit : You're talking about moving every .configfile in my $HOME? Yes. That sounds a bit drastic, and possibly a bad idea. Why that? It is only moving. Doing a backup, in fact. If you are feared by that, you can also create a new user, and copy conf

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

2013-10-15 Thread berenger . morel
Le 15.10.2013 19:32, Chris Bannister a écrit : On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 03:43:21PM +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: I know I wont teach that to anyone here, but modems are not computing stuff, at all. They are simply here to transform numeric signals to analogical ones, and vice vers

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

2013-10-15 Thread berenger . morel
Le 15.10.2013 18:28, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : Why? Do you know how a TV signal is encoded at the station? How it is modulated onto the carrier? The operation of the RF and IF strips in your TV? The frequencies of the local oscillator(s) being used? How the RF signal is demodulated? How the

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

2013-10-15 Thread berenger . morel
Le 16.10.2013 00:42, Miles Fidelman a écrit : I'm trying to figure out what kinds of things you see "programmers" working on that don't need serious knowledge of the underlying operating system, computer hardware, and i/o environment. I do not think every programmer needs serious knowledge outs

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

2013-10-16 Thread berenger . morel
Le 16.10.2013 03:25, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : Ah, but you are more than a "simple user". I guess so. I am not even a TV user anymore in fact, but that's not the question. The point is that I can hardly consider a programmer to be a simple user of a computer, because when you write a program, y

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

2013-10-16 Thread berenger . morel
Le 16.10.2013 08:24, Erwan David a écrit : On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 01:10:42AM CEST, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org said: Le 15.10.2013 19:32, Chris Bannister a écrit : >On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 03:43:21PM +0200, >berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: >>I know I wont teach that to anyone here, b

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

2013-10-16 Thread berenger . morel
Le 16.10.2013 13:04, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : Anybody who thinks that being able to write code (be it Java, C, or .NET crap), without knowing a lot about the environment their code is going to run in, much less general analytic and design skills, is going to have a very short-lived career. An

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