Le 07.10.2013 09:10, Oliver Fairhall a écrit :
Thanks for posting on this Jape. I'm new to Debian (preparing to
install soon) and will likely be caught by this. Hope it's OK to ask
some newby questions.
I do not remember having read that this list is for experts only ;)
On 07/10/13 02:31, Jape Person wrote:
From my perspective, it looks to me as though the problem is
network-manager-gnome's desire to install gnome-control-center. Xfce
and LXDE
both want network-manager-gnome, so they also get
gnome-control-center,
gnome-session, and just about everything else gnome-like.
Is it possible to not install network-manager-gnome when installing
Debian with XFCE?
Debian's installer is not so flexible to allow you to choose softwares
one by one, but it can allow you to install "tasks" one by one, by
example "portable computer", "ssh server", "desktop", etc.
If you want a minimal system and know 1) all uses you will have for
your computer and 2) which softwares in Debian's repository to use for
them, then I suggest you to uncheck all tasks' checkboxes.
Then, when the installation will be finished, you will login on the TTY
and install manually packages. For that, I honestly think that the
aptitude's ncurses interface is the better, but "apt-get install [long
list of software]" will work too, of course.
( another advice I could give you if you do not know what softwares to
use for each task, is to install debtags, that you can access in
aptitude's ncurses' interface in "view". This will help you to choose
softwares according to various parameters like technology they use )
Of course, that kind of install is not the recommended one for people
who are not ready to spend time on their computer: you might forget
something and wonder why it does not work as you expect, when it would
work fine on a classic installation.
I've bypassed the network manager in Ubuntu in the
past, running on a desktop machine, and just configured network
access
by text file anyway. Not sure if that would make things awkward on a
laptop connecting to different wireless sites.
I am editing /etc/network/interface too. It works perfectly, but of
course, you will have to change the values and do some ifdown/ifup
everytime you will change the target network.
I guess it is possible to build some scripts to change network
automatically, IIRC there is some kind of events that can be programmed,
so, maybe... but I never tried. I stopped myself after making scripts to
generate the interface file depending on a parameter and then down/up
the wlan.
Using tools made for that is probably easier.
Are all these Gnome packages real dependencies for
network-manager-gnome, or are they just selected by some other means?
What is strange here, is that IIRC, XFCE uses network-manager, and not
network-manager-gnome.
Anyway, installing network-manager does not install the whole gnome DE
here, at least not without installing recommended packages.
Keeping automatic installation of those recommended packages would
effectively install a lot of crap, because network-manager-gnome
recommends other packages which, themselves, recommends or depends on
DEs like KDE.
I am only doing a short test here, so this reply should not be taken as
the exact truth.
Is there an alternative network manager for XFCE, and can one be
selected during initial installation?
During installation? I guess no, as I said previously, you can not
choose a single package in the installer, only tasks, which are not
precise at all.
But post-installation, yes, network-manager-gnome depends on a package
named network-manager. I did not noticed any GUI software depending on
it, but I did not take a deep look. My bet is that there is one, I just
do not know the name because I do not need it, being perfectly happy
with my configuration edition (which would not be the right solution if
I had a lot of places where I go frequently with my computer, of course)
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