Le 11.10.2013 13:03, Joel Rees a écrit :
On the converse, I think it is a crime to promise (as makers of
certain popular OSses do) that you can properly use a computer or
other computer-based communication device without administering or
managing the computer system.

It is not. I can use rapid transit without taking care or understanding anything behind it. I do not even have to know that it have wheels. Same for computers. In some places, you can have access to public computers and use them for a set of operations, and people does not have to know how to do anything else on those. Another, and last one, example. Take an electric saw (I do not know the English word for that). If it is your own, you will want to avoid buying a new one when the blade is too old, but it is a choice. You could just want to use it, buy a new one when it is too old. If so, you only know how to start it and how to apply it on what you want to cut. No need to know internals. And even if you know how to change the blade, it will not mean you are an electro-mechanic guy. Eventually, it can makes you an advanced user, but nothing more (because it is better to know which kind of blade to use to cut metal, or wood, or stone). People who manage their computers themselves are not sysadmin, they are advanced users. Some of them are sysadmin, of course, but not because they maintain their own system.

In fact, the problem here is: "that you can properly *use* a computer". *Use*. Which use exactly have you in mind?

We're a long way from being able to build internet terminals that
people can use as simply as they use a phone, and it's quite possible
that it can't really be done.

Terminals to Internet? Probably it is not possible, since internet is not only the http section of the www. But building terminals for people to access websites is not so hard: take a keyboard, a pointing hardware ( it can even be emulated by the keyboard ), a screen, a CPU, some RAM, a modem. Build an OS around that, add to that OS a default configuration which works by default plus a website browser, and remove the ability for user to do anything than using the browser. No window manager, no software center, etc.
You have it.

Of course, for me this is a nightmare, not a dream. But it is doable. You simply have to sold the item pre-configured, and you know what? ISP are able to do that. They only do not do it, because people hopefully know that Internet is a tool to enhance their computer's features, like managing files in a lot of different ways: modifying images, writing texts, etc.


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