Le 12.10.2013 14:04, Mark Allums a écrit :
I'm not nagging about you. My concern is to nag about recommending a
third party repository, that is known to cause issues. If the OP
does
like Cinnamon, then IMO the OP should use the official packages to
ensure that it's as stable as possible and not to switch to Mate
from a
third party repository. If the OP needs a bug fix or a new feature
of
Cinnamon 2.0, it might be worse the effort to build it from source.
The point of mentioning MATE was in context with adding MATE to
Debian. Our point was, there are only minor problems with that
happening, and they should be solvable fairly easily within a short
period of time
(i.e., in the time between releases of Stable).
This problem is not MATE specific. All DEs in Debian have it: in Debian
stable, the one that I am now running on the computer with which I now
use to work, XFCE is only at version 4.8, but IIRC XFCE4.10 was released
before Debian started the freeze.
MATE could go in Debian, if one of it's users accept to become it's
maintainer. If it was so easy, then I can only guess that MATE's users
finally do not care that much to have it into official repo, and should
accept that other people uses that as an argument that it *might* give
problems. Because, yes, 3rd party repo are possible, but are not
supported by Debian.
And, things which *might* give problems which are not supported by the
OS's maintainers made things harder for people not willing to deal with
problems. When you start to have more than one team responsible for the
state of a system, and when a problem appear, you usually have annoying
games of ping-pong.
In short: if you are so sure that MATE is fine, and want to advertise
it a lot, stop whining about Debian which refuses it, and start the way
to integrate it into Debian. I think the dev team will be happy to have
more manpower and provide more DE choice.
MATE
is usable NOW, and it's mainly an irrational attachment to Gnome that
prevents it, not any real problems with MATE.
People are abandoning Gnome 3 in droves. Most are turning to XFCE, I
think largely because it is already in Debian. If MATE were in
Debian, a large contingent of those people would use MATE if it were
available, I think, because most of them were using GNOME 2 before.
And what about those people being ancient gnome users because gnome is
the default, and not because gnome is better (1) ? Maybe the problems
they had with gnome encouraged them to try other DEs, like KDE, XFCE and
LXDE present in Debian, and from that base, choosing the one which fit
best their needs.
Perhaps they would not return to gnome2 know, because they finally
think that it is inferior for their uses to XFCE?
Notice that, as you, I made hypothetic assertions based on the wind to
make other's choices and opinions fitting my needs without asking them.
Aka, that XFCE is better than gnome, which I do not truly think. They're
simply different.
1: I was never able to understand what people can find to gnome, even
the gnome2 DE. Matter of taste, of course. KDE was better suited for me,
but shared a problem: too monolithic. So only XFCE and LXDE in Debian
were able to satisfy me at start. Now, even them are not correct enough
for me (but I still use some LXDE apps).
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