> "Andrew" == Andrew McGlashan
> writes:
Andrew> On 10/11/2014 6:01 PM, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
Andrew> The world of FreeBSD with ZFS seems so much more appealing day
after day.
Great. Please switch to FreeBSD (it's a great OS), if you do not like
where Linux is headed, instead
On Nov 7, 2014, at 6:37 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> On 11/7/2014 2:40 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
>> On Jo, 06 nov 14, 22:11:59, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>
>> I thought he took special care to not make any assumptions about the
>> results.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Andrei
I’m with Andrei. I think S
I have been using "testing" for quite some time. Saturday, I upgraded to
the latest version. That was a disaster. Eventually I gave up fixing the
upgrade and performed a fresh install (with encrypted root file system).
No matter what I did (I tried 5 - 6 fresh installs on two disks, and a
few b
On 11/9/2014 11:01 PM, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
Hi,
Andrew McGlashan:
Forwarding a message "as is" from another mailing list ... very relevant
to Linux and the systemd dilemma.
No, it is not.
Sorry, but requiring an up-to-date kernel (or any other infrastructure you
rely on) instead of mainta
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On 10/11/2014 7:38 PM, Matt Ventura wrote:
> On 11/9/2014 11:01 PM, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
>> Andrew McGlashan:
>>> Forwarding a message "as is" from another mailing list ... very relevant
>>> to Linux and the systemd dilemma.
>>>
>> No, it is not.
On Du, 09 nov 14, 22:32:45, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> Is it possible, systemd dependency issues aside, to do a clean install
> of Jessie with an init other than systemd without first installing
> systemd? And, if so, how would one do it?
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=668001
Ki
On 11/8/2014 10:03 AM, Mart van de Wege wrote:
> Quite frankly, I'm disgusted. A developer with a lot of contributions is
> chased away by the noise made by a bunch of whiners who can't even be
> bothered to set up a test server.
Obviously you didn't bother to read his posts.
His problem was not
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 04:35:16AM -0500, Tanstaafl wrote:
> I thought this list had some minimal etiquette requirements? Do the list
> moms really allow comments like the above to stand? If so, I guess
> Debian has fallen farther than I thought, and maybe it *is* time to look
> elsewhere - even th
Tanstaafl writes:
>> And because some devs want to placate those whiners, we get interminable
>> political games and good people quitting the project.
>>
>> Why don't the anti-systemd people do what they've been threatening the
>> whole time and fuck off to another distro or to FreeBSD?
>
> Wow.
Darac Marjal wrote:
add root=:
Hello Darac.
# Partiton table:
#1 pri ? sda1 ? ? # make by OS automatically
#5 log 0.45 sda5 B ext4 /
#6 log 12.0 sda6 ext4 /home
#7 log 9.6sda7 ext4 /usr
#8 log 3.2sda8 ext4 /var
#9 log
On 11/10/2014 2:01 AM, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
> Sorry, but requiring an up-to-date kernel (or any other infrastructure you
> rely on) instead of maintaining workarounds and compatibility code in
> perpetuity makes perfect sense.
It amazes me the depths that some systemd proponents obfuscate and
On 10/11/14 08:57, Andrew McGlashan wrote:
And for those choosing to go with systemd they'll need 20 updates of
Jessie just because the kernel is intrinsically linked to systemd and
needs an update.
Debian wheezy entered freeze with Linux kernel version 3.2.30. As of
today, a system running wh
John Hasler writes:
>tornow writes:
>> I am not a big fan of such workarounds. It doesn't seem to make sense
> >to work against Debian all the time. If one doesn't want systemd,
> >then
> >the solution is to leave. I mean: If you use Debian, then you use it
> >cause it is rock solid, aka stable.
Le 09.11.2014 05:05, Hendrik Boom a écrit :
On Wed, 05 Nov 2014 09:32:57 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote:
1. What are your issues, reasons for doing so - general and/or
specific?
I've had trouble with passwords in the network-manager starting a few
months ago. I tried a few other wifi connectivit
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On 10/11/2014 9:55 PM, Martin Read wrote:
> On 10/11/14 08:57, Andrew McGlashan wrote:
>> And for those choosing to go with systemd they'll need 20 updates of
>> Jessie just because the kernel is intrinsically linked to systemd and
>> needs an update
On Sat, Nov 08, 2014 at 02:56:02PM +1030, Arthur Marsh wrote:
> I finally upgraded my other pc to KDE 4.14.2, and am looking for a
> temperature display for the hard disks, CPU, video card and motherboard.
>
> It needs to show actual temperatures and also have some labelling of which
> temperature
Refracta IS Debian, but since I'm not Debian, I can't call it that. It's
debian jessie with sysvinit instead of systemd. The jessie-based version
of refracta was created in the following manner -
Standard-system install of wheezy.
Pinned "*systemd*" to -1
dist-upgrade to jessie
added some packages
Le Mon, 10 Nov 2014 13:16:09 +0100,
berenger.mo...@neutralite.org a écrit :
> Le 09.11.2014 05:05, Hendrik Boom a écrit :
> > On Wed, 05 Nov 2014 09:32:57 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> >> 1. What are your issues, reasons for doing so - general and/or
> >> specific?
> >
> > I've had trouble with
On Mon, 10 Nov 2014 23:28:34 +1100
Andrew McGlashan wrote:
> So, it will run a course and we will get to the point where systemd will
> be unavoidable in most if not all of the Linux world.
"We are Systemd of Borg, resistance is futile..." ?
If so, what happened to "Linux is all about freedom
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 04:31:53AM +, Juan R. de Silva wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> I've purchased a new WD Passport 2T USB hard drive, which, no doubts,came
> formated NTFS. I've used GParted to quickly format the drive to Ext4 and
> results surprised me quite a bit (all results as reported by GP
Le Mon, 10 Nov 2014 09:51:49 -0300,
Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI a écrit :
[...]
>
> If so, what happened to "Linux is all about freedom of choice" ?
GNU/Linux is maybe about "freedom of choice" but GNU/Linux
distributions have never been. You see the difference?
Distribution are integrators that some
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 09:40:09AM +, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> The listadmins act on things that they notice, or are brought to their
> attention. They are rather busy and all volunteers. If you think a post to
> this (list or any other Debian list) is in breach of the code of conduct,
> plea
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 7:01 PM, Mart van de Wege wrote:
> Tanstaafl writes:
>
>>> And because some devs want to placate those whiners, we get interminable
>>> political games and good people quitting the project.
>>>
>>> Why don't the anti-systemd people do what they've been threatening the
>>>
Chris Bannister writes:
> I read that as 'trouble unsubscribing?' then Contact
> listmas...@lists.debian.org.
I read it as 'technical trouble with this list'. You're right, though:
now that we have listmoms the footer needs to be redone. File a
wishlist bug.
--
John Hasler
jhas...@newsguy.com
On 11/10/2014 08:18 AM, Darac Marjal wrote:
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 04:31:53AM +, Juan R. de Silva wrote:
Hi folks,
I've purchased a new WD Passport 2T USB hard drive, which, no doubts,came
formated NTFS. I've used GParted to quickly format the drive to Ext4 and
results surprised me quite a
On Mon, 10 Nov 2014 10:16:59 +0200
Jarle Aase wrote:
> I have been using "testing" for quite some time. Saturday, I upgraded to
> the latest version. That was a disaster. Eventually I gave up fixing the
> upgrade and performed a fresh install (with encrypted root file system).
> No matter what
*WORKS FOR ME NO PROBLEM,
I'VE BEEN RUNNING WHEEZY FOR A LITTLE MORE THAN A YEAR,
A1 SO FAR,
*
On 11/07/2014 10:05 PM, Joris Bolsens wrote:
>From my experience yes, it works on jessie without any problems.
On 11/07/2014 07:03 PM, Man_Without_Clue wrote:
On 11/08/2014 11:57 AM, Joris Bolsens wrot
On 11/10/2014 3:10 AM, Rick Thomas wrote:
>
> On Nov 7, 2014, at 6:37 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>
>> On 11/7/2014 2:40 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
>>> On Jo, 06 nov 14, 22:11:59, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>>
>
>>> I thought he took special care to not make any assumptions about the
>>> results.
>>>
On 11/10/2014 8:47 AM, Joel Rees wrote:
> If systemd can stand on its own, it doesn't have to be defended
> against every "whinger" that comes along.
>
> (And I'll have you know that many, probably most of those you accuse
> of being whiners are very busy working out alternatives. And part of
> t
for some testing we first want to install our Wordpress website inhouse.
and for that i have designed a Debian 7. and installed all the necessary
packages that are needed for the deployment.
now i want to grant rights to our freelance web developer so he can deploye
the website. i never did this i
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 07:20:46PM +0500, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote:
> for some testing we first want to install our Wordpress website inhouse.
> and for that i have designed a Debian 7. and installed all the necessary
> packages that are needed for the deployment.
> now i want to grant rights to
On 10/11/14 at 03:01pm, Marko Randjelovic wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Nov 2014 10:16:59 +0200
> Jarle Aase wrote:
>
> > I have been using "testing" for quite some time. Saturday, I upgraded to
> > the latest version. That was a disaster. Eventually I gave up fixing the
> > upgrade and performed a fresh
Am 10.11.2014 um 07:32 schrieb Patrick Bartek:
> Is it possible, systemd dependency issues aside, to do a clean install
> of Jessie with an init other than systemd without first installing
> systemd? And, if so, how would one do it?
>
> Everything I've read so far talks about "replacing" systemd
Am 10.11.2014 um 15:41 schrieb Raffaele Morelli:
> On 10/11/14 at 03:01pm, Marko Randjelovic wrote:
>> On Mon, 10 Nov 2014 10:16:59 +0200
>> Jarle Aase wrote:
>>
>>> I have been using "testing" for quite some time. Saturday, I upgraded to
>>> the latest version. That was a disaster. Eventually I
exim paniclog /var/log/exim4/paniclog on mail.myserver.net has non-zero size,
mail system might be broken.
the error above is popping up. I did the removal of the log file as suggested
in several solutions that I found. However I see that they are all related to
an issue with the kernel and IP
Hi
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 09:42:03AM -0600, John Foster wrote:
> exim paniclog /var/log/exim4/paniclog on mail.myserver.net has non-zero size,
> mail system might be broken.
>
> the error above is popping up. I did the removal of the log file as suggested
> in several solutions that I found. H
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 04:31:53AM +, Juan R. de Silva wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> I've purchased a new WD Passport 2T USB hard drive, which, no doubts,came
> formated NTFS. I've used GParted to quickly format the drive to Ext4 and
> results surprised me quite a bit (all results as reported by GP
On 10/11/14 15:42, John Foster wrote:
> exim paniclog /var/log/exim4/paniclog on mail.myserver.net has non-zero
> size, mail system might be broken.
>
> the error above is popping up. I did the removal of the log file as
> suggested in several solutions that I found. However I see that they are
>
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On 10/11/2014 11:49 PM, fsmithred wrote:
> It seems to be working, so far, but as mentioned, it may break at some
> point with upgrades. Others can try the same thing and share their
> experiences. If you're willing to accept libsystemd0, then I thin
On 14Nov10:1657+1100, Andrew McGlashan wrote:
> http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2014-May/019657.html
Debian's own Michael Biebl posted the comment to which
Poettering publicly announced this udev roadmap back at
the end of May. How could the assurances udev would
be stay init
Le 10.11.2014 13:49, fsmithred a écrit :
Pinned dbus and libpulse0 to wheezy versions and util-linux to the
last
jessie version that didn't need libsystemd0.
It seems to be working, so far, but as mentioned, it may break at
some
point with upgrades.
I wonder if there is some compilation fl
Hi All,
Is there a way to "stream" simulated filesystems? To narrow that question
down: imagine a Beaglebone with a USB IN and OUT. You plug an NTFS
formatted USB drive into IN, with a USB cable coming OUT and plugged into,
say, a machine running OSX. Linux would simulate a storage device on OUT,
On Mon, 10 Nov 2014, Michael Biebl wrote:
> Am 10.11.2014 um 07:32 schrieb Patrick Bartek:
> > Is it possible, systemd dependency issues aside, to do a clean
> > install of Jessie with an init other than systemd without first
> > installing systemd? And, if so, how would one do it?
> >
> > Every
On 10/11/14 12:50 AM, Christian Seiler wrote:
Am 10.11.2014 01:33, schrieb Gary Dale:
On 09/11/14 03:30 PM, Christian Seiler wrote:
Could you post the contents of your /etc/default/networking?
Specifically, it should have either no explicit settings (everything
commented out) or the following s
Am 10.11.2014 um 17:26 schrieb Patrick Bartek:
> On Mon, 10 Nov 2014, Michael Biebl wrote:
>> You can use pre-seeding and run
>>
>> preseed/late_command="in-target apt-get install -y sysvinit-core"
>>
>> in the debian-installer. While that does indeed first install
>> systemd-sysv, it's directly r
Hi all,
I am now watching this systemd quarrel for a long time, and I must say, there
is so much energy wasted in this. Please stop it! Really! There are solutions,
which all will be happy. Solutions, that will bring debian forward, too.
- If you don't want to use systemd, just leave it. You c
On Mon, 10 Nov 2014, Tanstaafl wrote:
> I thought this list had some minimal etiquette requirements?
Yes. See our code of conduct.
> Do the list[masters] really allow comments like the above to stand?
We do not announce actions that we take publicly.
If you have a complaint about behavior on De
On Mon, 10 Nov 2014, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Du, 09 nov 14, 22:32:45, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> > Is it possible, systemd dependency issues aside, to do a clean
> > install of Jessie with an init other than systemd without first
> > installing systemd? And, if so, how would one do it?
>
> https
Thanks for sharing your input. what would be the rights of /var/www and its
sub-directories.
currently it is root : root and 775
Secondly do you guys have any advice on more security of WP. i have heard
that word press is kind of week in security. maybe i am wrong but i have
heard that.
no proble
On Mon, 10 Nov 2014, Michael Biebl wrote:
> Am 10.11.2014 um 17:26 schrieb Patrick Bartek:
> > On Mon, 10 Nov 2014, Michael Biebl wrote:
>
> >> You can use pre-seeding and run
> >>
> >> preseed/late_command="in-target apt-get install -y sysvinit-core"
> >>
> >> in the debian-installer. While that
Am 10.11.2014 um 19:26 schrieb Patrick Bartek:
> Maybe, the release after Jessie will include an init choice.
Ironically, jessie is the first release where you can actually install
an alternative init.
Up until now you were forced to use sysvinit.
People seem to forget that.
--
Why is it that a
On 10.11.2014 16:01, Marko Randjelovic wrote:>
> Boot from Install CD/DVD and choose rescue mode. Than you can review
> grub options and reinstall. Alternatively, you can try lilo.
I have tried rescue mode and various "grub-install" and "update-grub"
commands
"update-grup" makes no difference.
> $ man mkfs.ext4
>
> Look for "-m" argument.
"-m" option default value is 5% (!) = 50 GB space. No minimal reserved
space is specified/recommended in man pages.
GParted allocated to file system 1.616% = 29.42GB (quite generous against
default 5%).
For NTFS, on the other hand, only 0.0067% w
On Mon, 11/10/14, Hans wrote:
Subject: systemd - so much energy wasted in quarreling
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Date: Monday, November 10, 2014, 11:23 AM
Hi all,
[cut]
- If you do not like the behaviour of Leonard Poettering, do not
quarrel with
him. Hey, I guess,he wants a good s
--
>
> You could at least spell the perp's name correctly if you are going to
> come to his defense. It's LENNART!
Sorry for that, I hope he will not blame me for that. However, I intended not
to tark part on any side! Neither Lennarts nor the systemd-haters.
My intention
On 10.11.2014 20:28, Michael Biebl wrote:
Am 10.11.2014 um 19:26 schrieb Patrick Bartek:
Maybe, the release after Jessie will include an init choice.
Ironically, jessie is the first release where you can actually install
an alternative init.
Up until now you were forced to use sysvinit.
Peo
Please do not CC me on posts to the list. I read the list.
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:24:55PM +0500, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote:
> Thanks for sharing your input. what would be the rights of /var/www and its
> sub-directories.
> currently it is root : root and 775
I would havw www-data.www-data as
Am 10.11.2014 um 20:08 schrieb Jarle Aase:
> What I don't like about systemd, is that it insists on doing things I
> don't want it to do. I don't want /it/ to control the network or udev,
systemd-networkd is an entirely optional component, you don't have to
use it.
systemd-udevd is also an indivi
Hans wrote:
And at the beginning things never work perfect
That's why they shouldn't make it into Stable as defaults,
now should they?
--
Best nightdreams.
Serge Tiunov, "Do you really think you think
http://e-head.net when you do think you
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On 11/11/2014 5:46 AM, Hans wrote:
> --
>>
>> You could at least spell the perp's name correctly if you are
>> going to come to his defense. It's LENNART!
>
> Sorry for that, I hope he will not blame me for that. However, I
> i
On 11/10/2014 2:01 PM, st wrote:
> Hans wrote:
>
>> And at the beginning things never work perfect
>
> That's why they shouldn't make it into Stable as defaults,
> now should they?
Exactly, it should remain in unstable unless/until it can be released
*perfectly* stable, so if that means it stay
Michael Biebl wrote:
Am 10.11.2014 um 19:26 schrieb Patrick Bartek:
Maybe, the release after Jessie will include an init choice.
Ironically, jessie is the first release where you can actually install
an alternative init.
Up until now you were forced to use sysvinit.
People seem to forget that.
On 11/10/2014 2:08 PM, Andrew McGlashan
wrote:
> On 11/11/2014 5:46 AM, Hans wrote:
>> Sorry for that, I hope he will not blame me for that. However, I
>> intended not to tark part on any side! Neither Lennarts nor the
>> systemd-haters.
> It's not about "haters" ... necessarily, what about those
On 11/10/2014 2:44 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Michael Biebl wrote:
>> Am 10.11.2014 um 19:26 schrieb Patrick Bartek:
>>> Maybe, the release after Jessie will include an init choice.
>> Ironically, jessie is the first release where you can actually install
>> an alternative init.
>> Up until now y
On 10/11/14 19:26, Tanstaafl wrote:
Exactly, it should remain in unstable unless/until it can be released
*perfectly* stable, so if that means it stays in unstable for 5 years,
so be it.
If you want *perfectly* stable software, why are you using software that
isn't formally proven?
--
To UN
Le Monday 10 November 2014 19:32:39, Juan R. de Silva a écrit :
> > $ man mkfs.ext4
> >
> > Look for "-m" argument.
>
> "-m" option default value is 5% (!) = 50 GB space. No minimal reserved
> space is specified/recommended in man pages.
>
> GParted allocated to file system 1.616% = 29.42GB (qu
On 11/10/2014 2:50 PM, Martin Read wrote:
> On 10/11/14 19:26, Tanstaafl wrote:
>> Exactly, it should remain in unstable unless/until it can be released
>> *perfectly* stable, so if that means it stays in unstable for 5 years,
>> so be it.
>
> If you want *perfectly* stable software, why are you
On Mon, 10 Nov 2014, Tanstaafl wrote:
> Exactly. I for one am getting sick and tired of being called names on
> this list like 'hater' and 'whiner'
Just to underline this, calling people names like hater, whiner, etc.
are not conducive to discussions, are not appropriate on Debian
mailing lists, a
On Mon 10 Nov 2014 at 14:48:15 -0500, Tanstaafl wrote:
> On 11/10/2014 2:44 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> > Michael Biebl wrote:
> >> Am 10.11.2014 um 19:26 schrieb Patrick Bartek:
> >>> Maybe, the release after Jessie will include an init choice.
> >> Ironically, jessie is the first release where
On Mon 10 Nov 2014 at 14:44:22 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Michael Biebl wrote:
> >Am 10.11.2014 um 19:26 schrieb Patrick Bartek:
> >>Maybe, the release after Jessie will include an init choice.
> >Ironically, jessie is the first release where you can actually install
> >an alternative init.
>
Are you sure that systemd libraries are required to install the server
software that you want? I just tried 'aptitude -s install apache2 php5
mysql-server' on a jessie build with no systemd, dbus, libpulse0 or xorg,
and it didn't complain.
Here's an earlier iso I made of jessie with no systemd and
One of the members of the refracta team is experimenting with repackaging
stuff after removing the dependency on systemd libs. I think tornow
provided the link to these packages in another post on this thread. This
might be a viable option for some people, but it needs more testing than
the few of
Tom Roche a écrit :
>
> me@laptop:~$ date ; traceroute www.whatismyip.com
>> Sun Nov 9 09:33:06 EST 2014
>> traceroute to www.whatismyip.com (141.101.120.15), 30 hops max, 60 byte
>> packets
>> 1 10.8.0.1 (10.8.0.1) 99.579 ms 99.584 ms 104.230 ms
>> 2 * * *
> ...
This shows that forwardi
Brian wrote:
On Mon 10 Nov 2014 at 14:48:15 -0500, Tanstaafl wrote:
On 11/10/2014 2:44 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Michael Biebl wrote:
Am 10.11.2014 um 19:26 schrieb Patrick Bartek:
Maybe, the release after Jessie will include an init choice.
Ironically, jessie is the first release where yo
Brian wrote:
On Mon 10 Nov 2014 at 14:44:22 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Michael Biebl wrote:
Am 10.11.2014 um 19:26 schrieb Patrick Bartek:
Maybe, the release after Jessie will include an init choice.
Ironically, jessie is the first release where you can actually install
an alternative init
Am 11.11.2014 um 00:14 schrieb Miles Fidelman:
> Ok, then explain to me the procedure for running the installer in such a
> way that systemd is never installed, thus avoiding any potential
> problems that might result from later uninstallation all the
> dependencies that systemd brings in with it.
On Mon, 10 Nov 2014, Michael Biebl wrote:
> Am 10.11.2014 um 20:08 schrieb Jarle Aase:
>
> > What I don't like about systemd, is that it insists on doing things
> > I don't want it to do. I don't want /it/ to control the network or
> > udev,
>
> systemd-networkd is an entirely optional component
Am 11.11.2014 um 00:23 schrieb Patrick Bartek:
> On Mon, 10 Nov 2014, Michael Biebl wrote:
>
>> Am 10.11.2014 um 20:08 schrieb Jarle Aase:
>>
>>> What I don't like about systemd, is that it insists on doing things
>>> I don't want it to do. I don't want /it/ to control the network or
>>> udev,
>>
Tanstaafl wrote:
On 11/10/2014 2:08 PM, Andrew McGlashan
wrote:
On 11/11/2014 5:46 AM, Hans wrote:
Sorry for that, I hope he will not blame me for that. However, I
intended not to tark part on any side! Neither Lennarts nor the
systemd-haters.
It's not about "haters" ... necessarily, what abo
Michael Biebl wrote:
Am 11.11.2014 um 00:14 schrieb Miles Fidelman:
Ok, then explain to me the procedure for running the installer in such a
way that systemd is never installed, thus avoiding any potential
problems that might result from later uninstallation all the
dependencies that systemd br
On Mon, 10 Nov 2014, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Ok, then explain to me the procedure for running the installer in such
> a way that systemd is never installed, thus avoiding any potential
> problems that might result from later uninstallation all the
> dependencies that systemd brings in with it.
If
Am 11.11.2014 um 00:43 schrieb Miles Fidelman:
> Michael Biebl wrote:
>> Am 11.11.2014 um 00:14 schrieb Miles Fidelman:
>>
>>> Ok, then explain to me the procedure for running the installer in such a
>>> way that systemd is never installed, thus avoiding any potential
>>> problems that might result
And you really think making another thread about the subject is the
right way to "stop" the discussions about systemd? You couldn't have
said that in one of the existing threads?
You missed the option to invest the energy in distributions which don't
use systemd.
People are angry, disappointed,
Don Armstrong wrote:
On Mon, 10 Nov 2014, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Ok, then explain to me the procedure for running the installer in such
a way that systemd is never installed, thus avoiding any potential
problems that might result from later uninstallation all the
dependencies that systemd brings
Am 11.11.2014 um 01:52 schrieb Miles Fidelman:
> Don Armstrong wrote:
>> On Mon, 10 Nov 2014, Miles Fidelman wrote:
>>> Ok, then explain to me the procedure for running the installer in such
>>> a way that systemd is never installed, thus avoiding any potential
>>> problems that might result from l
Michael Biebl wrote:
Am 11.11.2014 um 00:43 schrieb Miles Fidelman:
Michael Biebl wrote:
Am 11.11.2014 um 00:14 schrieb Miles Fidelman:
Ok, then explain to me the procedure for running the installer in such a
way that systemd is never installed, thus avoiding any potential
problems that might
Am 11.11.2014 um 01:58 schrieb Miles Fidelman:
> Michael Biebl wrote:
>> Am 11.11.2014 um 00:43 schrieb Miles Fidelman:
>>> Michael Biebl wrote:
Am 11.11.2014 um 00:14 schrieb Miles Fidelman:
> Ok, then explain to me the procedure for running the installer in
> such a
> way th
Michael Biebl wrote:
Am 11.11.2014 um 01:52 schrieb Miles Fidelman:
Don Armstrong wrote:
On Mon, 10 Nov 2014, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Ok, then explain to me the procedure for running the installer in such
a way that systemd is never installed, thus avoiding any potential
problems that might resu
tor...@riseup.net wrote:
And you really think making another thread about the subject is the
right way to "stop" the discussions about systemd? You couldn't have
said that in one of the existing threads?
You missed the option to invest the energy in distributions which don't
use systemd.
People
2014/11/11 3:29 "Michael Biebl" :
>
> Am 10.11.2014 um 19:26 schrieb Patrick Bartek:
> > Maybe, the release after Jessie will include an init choice.
>
> Ironically, jessie is the first release where you can actually install
> an alternative init.
> Up until now you were forced to use sysvinit.
Th
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 1:26 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Nov 2014, Michael Biebl wrote:
>
> > Am 10.11.2014 um 17:26 schrieb Patrick Bartek:
> > > On Mon, 10 Nov 2014, Michael Biebl wrote:
> >
> > >> You can use pre-seeding and run
> > >>
> > >> preseed/late_command="in-target apt-get
>You know, it is still possible that the installer team will fix bug
>#668001, systemd-shim will stabilize, and it will remain possible in
>some future release of Jessie, to build and run a Jessie system
>without systemd taking over one's system. Or maybe folks will come to
>their senses for Jessie
Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Lu, 03 nov 14, 13:56:36, Alexis wrote:
>>=20
>> Iain M Conochie writes:
>>=20
>> > However:
>> >=20
>> > $: which umask
>> > $:
>> >=20
>> > So umask is _not_ a program (in the sense that there is no binary
>> > called umask on the system)
>>=20
>> zsh, however, is more h
On Mon, 10 Nov 2014, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> I expressed a judgement that, based on experience, there are potential
> problems with installing and then uninstalling a piece of software
> with complicated dependencies, that would be avoided by doing a clean
> install. I did NOT say that I'd tested t
Don Armstrong wrote:
On Mon, 10 Nov 2014, Miles Fidelman wrote:
I expressed a judgement that, based on experience, there are potential
problems with installing and then uninstalling a piece of software
with complicated dependencies, that would be avoided by doing a clean
install. I did NOT say t
On Nov 10, 2014 11:34 AM, "Michael Biebl" wrote:
>
> Am 10.11.2014 um 17:26 schrieb Patrick Bartek:
> > On Mon, 10 Nov 2014, Michael Biebl wrote:
>
> >> You can use pre-seeding and run
> >>
> >> preseed/late_command="in-target apt-get install -y sysvinit-core"
> >>
> >> in the debian-installer. Wh
tor...@riseup.net wrote:
You know, it is still possible that the installer team will fix bug
#668001, systemd-shim will stabilize, and it will remain possible in
some future release of Jessie, to build and run a Jessie system
without systemd taking over one's system. Or maybe folks will come to
t
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:24:55PM +0500, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote:
> > Thanks for sharing your input. what would be the rights of /var/www and
> its
> > sub-directories.
> > currently it is root : root and 775
>
> I would havw www-data.www-data as owner, but it isn't likely to matter.
>
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