Re: View on UNIX purism in Linux Community

On 18/09/2014, Bret Busby wrote: > On 18/09/2014, Lisi Reisz wrote: >> Sorry, John. But we should be going OT >> >> On Thursday 18 September 2014 00:45:24 John Hasler wrote: >>> Lisi writes: >>> > There are four countries in the United Kingdom: Ireland, Scotland, >>> > Wales and England. >>>

Re: Creating a forum for systemd debate

On 14Sep18:0636+0200, Raffaele Morelli wrote: > Delete key works perfectly and fast here BTW, none of the posters (spammers) > is a debian developer and AFAIK it's not going to be. > > That given, can someone explain what's the use in those debates in which your > decision > making power it's l

Re: View on UNIX purism in Linux Community

On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 06:42:29AM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Wednesday 17 September 2014 23:14:33 Martin Read wrote: > > Ahem. *Northern* Ireland. > > > > *Ireland*, unqualified, is the name of the second largest of the British > > Isles, and of the parliamentary republic which occupies five-si

Re: Creating a forum for systemd debate

On Thursday 18 September 2014 08:34:49 David L. Craig wrote: > You just dissed Linus Tolvalds > among many, many others Where and when?? Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive:

Re: applications missing after dist-upgrade

On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 15:03:27 -0700 tom arnall wrote: > I recently did a dist-upgrade and found afterwards that a lot of > applications were missing: > > open office > smplayer > skype > calibre > poppler text utilities > > And about half a dozen more. And this was after only a few days use of >

Re: mysql command waiting endlessly (lenny)

Le 17.09.2014 18:09, Don Armstrong a écrit : On Wed, 17 Sep 2014, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 17.09.2014 17:33, Don Armstrong a écrit : >In the future, these details would be helpful. I have said in my first post: > but when it connect through the mysql program, there is no promp

Re: Faking it with skype

On 2014-09-17, Scott Ferguson wrote: >> > As others have pointed out - you are attempting to run Skype 32-bit on a > 64-bit system. You 'can' do that - but you must enable multiarch support > first. Then you'll be able to change the version number. > I believe he's antipodal and running Lenny wi

Re: Jessie and Systemd integration

On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 06:51:56 +0100 Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Thursday 18 September 2014 06:28:48 Don Armstrong wrote: > > You might also need to either do the work to help make it > > supported, or help enable other people to do the work. > > Do any work to get what they want? Heaven forfend! >

Re: Creating a forum for systemd debate

On 18/09/14 at 03:34am, David L. Craig wrote: > On 14Sep18:0636+0200, Raffaele Morelli wrote: > > > Delete key works perfectly and fast here BTW, none of the posters > > (spammers) > > is a debian developer and AFAIK it's not going to be. > > > > That given, can someone explain what's the use i

Re: Jessie and Systemd integration

Am Mittwoch, 17. September 2014, 17:16:57 schrieb T.J. Duchene: > I'm asking this on the user list not because I am trying to incite yet > another debate over the merits of Systemd, but because I am assuming that > the user list probably has the best chance of reaching out to the most > people to g

Re: OT: Pepper Flash Crashes Everywhere

Hi, Can you post here part "Graphics Feature Status" taken from the output of this command on chrome: chrome://gpu/ If you have a good graphic card (better if with driver dedicated) you could activate the Hardware accelerated so that PepperFlash could be more fluid. Tell us these two information

Re: Jessie and Systemd integration

On Thu 18 Sep 2014 at 09:44:49 +0100, Joe wrote: > This is the basic purpose of this whole set of threads. Is there > *really* going to be a practical alternative to using systemd, and if > so, will Debian support it? It is, for example, perfectly possible to > use Open Office in testing or unstab

Re: Jessie and Systemd integration

On Thu 18 Sep 2014 at 11:27:32 +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > The following packages will be REMOVED: Install systemd-shim first. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https:

Re: Jessie and Systemd integration

Don't be rude. Many of us are not system programmers (some of us aren't professional programmers at all, we just use computers) but are (sometimes) able to gather enough useful information to help report or even fix a bug. But there's no point in putting any effort into reporting the kind of th

Re: Jessie and Systemd integration

Am Donnerstag, 18. September 2014, 11:02:11 schrieb Brian: > On Thu 18 Sep 2014 at 11:27:32 +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > The following packages will be REMOVED: > Install systemd-shim first. It was installed as I ran the apt commend and it still is, cause if systemd doesn´t boot I like to

Re: applications missing after dist-upgrade

On 18/09/14 09:16, Joe wrote: You don't say which distribution this is, but it's either testing or unstable. This doesn't happen in stable, but it's fairly regular in unstable. I don't use testing, but I'd have thought this kind of thing was unusual there, as this sort of serious disturbance shou

Re: Slight New Sound Problem

Marko Randjelovic writes: > Did you try with another kernel? Well, indirectly. As I mentioned, the system has always exhibited this behavior slightly for several years through a number of kernels. The biggest change, though, was when I changed out the conventional 10 GB hard drive for a sl

Re: View on UNIX purism in Linux Community

On 18/09/14 07:42, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Wednesday 17 September 2014 23:14:33 Martin Read wrote: Is it just me who's wondering why no one - no powerful "list master" - is trying to stop this? This exchange of whatever is really *totally* OT, if that word has any meaning at all. p.

Re: View on UNIX purism in Linux Community

On 18/09/14 at 01:33pm, Peter Nieman wrote: > On 18/09/14 07:42, Lisi Reisz wrote: > >On Wednesday 17 September 2014 23:14:33 Martin Read wrote: > >> > > > > > > > > > > Is it just me who's wondering why no one - no powerful "list master" - is > trying to stop this? +1 > > This exchange of what

Re: word clouds

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 09/17/2014 at 08:03 PM, Jerome BENOIT wrote: > Hello List, > > is there any tools to generate `Word clouds' withing Debian ? Generate them where, and for what purpose? There's the 'tagcloud' package, which will generate a (presumably local) We

Re: View on UNIX purism in Linux Community

On 9/18/2014 1:53 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > Sorry, John. But we should be going OT > > On Thursday 18 September 2014 00:45:24 John Hasler wrote: >> Lisi writes: >>> There are four countries in the United Kingdom: Ireland, Scotland, >>> Wales and England. >> >> In roughly the same sense in which

Re: View on UNIX purism in Linux Community

Lisi writes: > It is a complete misunderstanding (misinformation?) that [the > countries that constitute the UK] are merely States It is a complete misunderstanding that the states that constitute the USA are merely provinces. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA -- To UNSUBSCRI

Re: Jessie and Systemd integration

On Thu 18 Sep 2014 at 12:41:40 +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > Am Donnerstag, 18. September 2014, 11:02:11 schrieb Brian: > > On Thu 18 Sep 2014 at 11:27:32 +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > > The following packages will be REMOVED: > > Install systemd-shim first. > > It was installed as I

Re: View on UNIX purism in Linux Community

John Hasler writes: > Lisi writes: > > It is a complete misunderstanding (misinformation?) that [the > > countries that constitute the UK] are merely States > > It is a complete misunderstanding that the states that constitute the USA > are merely provinces. and none of them comes in .deb .

Re: View on UNIX purism in Linux Community

On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 02:48:44PM +0200, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote: > John Hasler writes: > > Lisi writes: > > > It is a complete misunderstanding (misinformation?) that [the > > > countries that constitute the UK] are merely States > > > > It is a complete misunderstanding that the states tha

Re: applications missing after dist-upgrade

Martin Read writes: > unstable is allowed to contain packages with RC (release-critical) > bugs. testing isn't. More accurately, packages can be uploaded to Unstable without regard to dependencies. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ

Re: Jessie and Systemd integration

Why do you refuse to install systemd-shim? Just because it has "systemd" in the name? Providing systemd-shim or similar is really about the only thing Debian can do about upstreams deciding to make their packages dependent on Systemd. The Gnome and KDE situations would be no different if Debian

Re: Creating a forum for systemd debate

David L. Craig writes: > Is this viewpoint typical of DDs? No, but the attitude is, unfortunately, quite common. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@li

Re: Creating a forum for systemd debate

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 09/18/2014 at 12:36 AM, Raffaele Morelli wrote: > On 17/09/14 at 09:17am, John Hasler wrote: > >> Mart van de Wege writes: >>> That's funny, because I keep seeing the same names coming up. >> >> And I see the same names coming up in the anti an

Re: Creating a forum for systemd debate

On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 09:15:57 -0400 The Wanderer wrote: [SNIP LOT OF REASONABLE THINGS (from The Wanderer)] I would add one thing to what you said, may be rants are filtered by devs (but that I doubt, intelligent people usually keep the temperature of their projects, even if the thermometer is gr

Re: Creating a forum for systemd debate

On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 08:06:21AM -0500, John Hasler wrote: > David L. Craig writes: > > Is this viewpoint typical of DDs? > > No, but the attitude is, unfortunately, quite common. The grandparent poster isn't a DD. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subj

[Wheezy] PIL to Pillow migration

Hi all, Is there a recommended way to replace the PIL by Pillow (and also install Pillow without a previous PIL package installed) on a Wheezy box ? The Pillow documentation says that prior to install Pillow you have to remove the PIL ;

Re: Jessie and Systemd integration

(Sorry, John. Mea culpa.) On Thursday 18 September 2014 14:00:45 John Hasler wrote: > Why do you refuse to install systemd-shim? Just because it has > "systemd" in the name? > > Providing systemd-shim or similar is really about the only thing Debian > can do about upstreams deciding to make thei

Re: Let's have a vote!

On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 08:10:17AM +0200, Mart van de Wege wrote: > Steve Litt writes: > > > On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 11:49:52 +0200 > > Mart van de Wege wrote: > > > >> Steve Litt writes: > >> > >> > > >> > And last but not least is the alternative of holding your nose and > >> > using systemd. If

Slight New Sound Problem

Good morning, Martin! Before I can make suggestions, I need to know if you are using a daemon such as Jack or PulseAudio or if you are using ALSA directly. Thanks, T.J. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas

Re: Let's have a vote!

On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 08:10:17 +0200 Mart van de Wege wrote: > Steve Litt writes: > > A) Twine and baling wire is better than monolithic entanglement. > > Yeah, after this I'm really not going to take you seriously anymore. > > > > B) If you try Daemontools, you just might switch your view of wh

Jack: was Slight New Sound Problem

On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 09:40:56 -0500 "T.J. Duchene" wrote: > Good morning, Martin! > > Before I can make suggestions, I need to know if you are using a > daemon such as Jack or PulseAudio or if you are using ALSA directly. T.J (and anyone else), I really want to use Jack, but every time I've tri

Re: Jessie and Systemd integration

Hi. On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 15:29:00 +0100 Lisi Reisz wrote: > Someone on the TDE list has just installed a functional Sid and TDE without a > sniff of systemd. Suspend isn't working yet. > > I haven't asked for proof! Does not seems an achievement, given that TDE is a fork for KDE3. Now, inst

screen 0: in putty title bar

Hi Everyone, I'm in the process of moving from fedora to debian. But I have one question about the use of screen when I use it, the title bar in putty doesn't change like it does in fedora to show/remind me that I am in a screen, I was wondering how do I change this in debian ? Thanks Daniel

Re: screen 0: in putty title bar

Hi. On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 16:19:59 +0100 Aero Maxx wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > I'm in the process of moving from fedora to debian. > > But I have one question about the use of screen when I use it, the title > bar in putty doesn't change like it does in fedora to show/remind me > that I am in a

Re: screen 0: in putty title bar

On 18/09/2014 16:30, Reco wrote: Hi. On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 16:19:59 +0100 Aero Maxx wrote: Hi Everyone, I'm in the process of moving from fedora to debian. But I have one question about the use of screen when I use it, the title bar in putty doesn't change like it does in fedora to show/rem

Jessie and Systemd integration

Thanks very much, everyone. I especially appreciate the dependency information with no bias. Just the facts is always appreciated on an emotional issue such as this. The truth is that I can live with a stray library or a shim - but the rest leaves me concerned. Setting aside all of the cont

Re: Jessie and Systemd integration

On Thursday 18 September 2014 16:02:56 Reco wrote: > Hi. > > On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 15:29:00 +0100 > > Lisi Reisz wrote: > > Someone on the TDE list has just installed a functional Sid and TDE > > without a sniff of systemd. Suspend isn't working yet. > > > > I haven't asked for proof! > > Does not

Re: Slight New Sound Problem

"T.J. Duchene" writes: > Good morning, Martin! > > > Before I can make suggestions, I need to know if you are using a daemon > such as Jack or PulseAudio or if you are using ALSA directly. > > > Thanks, I am using pulseaudio and alsa. Normally, if I am listening to something it is through mpla

Re: Jessie and Systemd integration

On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 16:24:56 +0100 Lisi Reisz wrote: > I hear and pass on that at least once it can, in that one person has done it, > and you complain because KDE4 still needs systemd. That is *not* Debian's > fault. The Debian project is not responsible for KDE4. It is responsible > for S

Re: Jessie and Systemd integration

On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 10:22:21 -0500 "T.J. Duchene" wrote: > From the sound of things, I'd very much like to give Debian 8 the > benefit of the doubt. I'll wait and see, if there are more posts and > not dismiss it entirely. Until more information comes in down the > road, it is probably prude

Re: Jessie and Systemd integration

On 2014-09-18, Reco wrote: > > Oh, rly? Installing KDE4 on Debian/kFreeBSD does not pull systemd, Debian/kFreeBSD has a systemd port to pull in? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archi

Re: screen 0: in putty title bar

On 18/09/2014 16:30, Reco wrote: Hi. On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 16:19:59 +0100 Aero Maxx wrote: Hi Everyone, I'm in the process of moving from fedora to debian. But I have one question about the use of screen when I use it, the title bar in putty doesn't change like it does in fedora to show/re

apache2-suexec-custom, SuexecUserGroup directive

Hi there, I'm trying to set up gitweb. As part of this, I'm trying to make Apache execute the gitweb.cgi as user the 'git' (UID 1002) using suEXEC. To achieve this, I've: - installed the apache2-suexec-custom package - added /etc/apache2/suexec/git containing: /srv/h1 # i.e., document ro

Re: Jessie and Systemd integration

On Thursday 18 September 2014 16:49:47 Reco wrote: > And, for the record, I refuse to consider using or abstaining of usage > of systemd as a 'fault'. Fault is also means responsibility. That is the meaning I was using. Of course using it or not is not a "fault". -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: screen 0: in putty title bar

On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 17:33:18 +0100 Apero Maxx wrote: > PROMPT_COMMAND='printf "\033k%s@%s:%s\033\\" "${USER}" > "${HOSTNAME%%.*}" "${PWD/#$HOME/~}"' Check ~/.bashrc for the right string. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble

Re: Jessie and Systemd integration

Hi. On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 17:56:00 +0200 B wrote: > You'd better, as it is even worse: junkD journal is in binary format > and this journal isn't ACID compliant, so any error will render it > unreadable; guess what? It has been rejected as "not a bug" > (https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.

Re: Jessie and Systemd integration

On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 16:16:40 + (UTC) Curt wrote: > On 2014-09-18, Reco wrote: > > > > Oh, rly? Installing KDE4 on Debian/kFreeBSD does not pull systemd, > > Debian/kFreeBSD has a systemd port to pull in? None that I'm aware of. But why existence of certain software must lead to dependency

Re: Jack: was Slight New Sound Problem

Steve Litt wrote: > I really want to use Jack, but every time I've tried, I failed > miserably and gotten no sound. Is there some special mindset you need > when installing/configuring Jack, and if so, where can I find out about > it? http://jackaudio.org/ http://jackaudio.org/faq/ https://gith

Re: Jessie and Systemd integration

Reco writes: > Oh, rly? Installing KDE4 on Debian/kFreeBSD does not pull systemd, > installing KDE4 on Debian/kLinux does. So, Debian project apparently > can influence KDE4 dependencies by using certain build options or > certain patches. That's the FreeBSD port. Not the same upstream package. <

Re: Jessie and Systemd integration

On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 10:53:21 +0100 Brian wrote: > On Thu 18 Sep 2014 at 09:44:49 +0100, Joe wrote: > > > > > So we're looking for some kind of direction here, hoping that > > someone who actually knows for sure will tell us whether the use of > > systemd as init will be completely unavoidable

streaming over ssh and decrypting a file

I am trying do something like $ ssh kornak "cat markov/turtle.Lenny00.gpg" | gpg -d - | sudo cmp - /dev/turtle/Lenny00 But that doesn't work, nor do even simpler versions. How can I achieve the goal which is to 1. stream the file from the remote system (kornak) to the local system (markov). 2. de

Re: Creating a forum for systemd debate

On 14Sep18:1449+0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 08:06:21AM -0500, John Hasler wrote: > > David L. Craig writes: > > > Is this viewpoint typical of DDs? > > > > No, but the attitude is, unfortunately, quite common. > > The grandparent poster isn't a DD. That is good to le

Re: Jack: was Slight New Sound Problem

On 18/09/14 17:09, Steve Litt wrote: I really want to use Jack, but every time I've tried, I failed miserably and gotten no sound. Is there some special mindset you need when installing/configuring Jack, and if so, where can I find out about it? There's a graphical frontend called qjackctl wher

Re: Slight New Sound Problem

On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 06:14:00 -0500 "Martin G. McCormick" wrote: > Marko Randjelovic writes: > > Did you try with another kernel? > > Well, indirectly. As I mentioned, the system has always > exhibited this behavior slightly for several years through a > number of kernels. The biggest chang

Re: streaming over ssh and decrypting a file

Hi. On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 10:09:53 -0700 Ross Boylan wrote: > You need a passphrase to unlock the secret key for > user: "Ross Boylan (work) " > 2048-bit ELG-E key, ID xxx created 2014-09-17 (main key ID yyy) Try installing gpg-agent, launching it on markov, and store your private key in it befo

Re: Jessie and Systemd integration

Le 18/09/2014 18:04, J Rowan a écrit : > On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 10:53:21 +0100 > Brian wrote: > >> On Thu 18 Sep 2014 at 09:44:49 +0100, Joe wrote: >> >>> So we're looking for some kind of direction here, hoping that >>> someone who actually knows for sure will tell us whether the use of >>> systemd

Upgrading to Jessie

Hello. How does one upgrade the distro? I have searched the web but I am getting some contradictions, and I am hesitant to mess things up. All websites suggest updating the /etc/apt/sources.list file. This makes a lot of sense. However, the consensus ends here. Beyond that, I have no idea what's c

Re: Jessie and Systemd integration

On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 11:37:15 -0500 John Hasler wrote: > Reco writes: > > Oh, rly? Installing KDE4 on Debian/kFreeBSD does not pull systemd, > > installing KDE4 on Debian/kLinux does. So, Debian project apparently > > can influence KDE4 dependencies by using certain build options or > > certain pa

Re: Jessie and Systemd integration

J Rowan writes: > Yes, this is understood, but is it the final word? We have a > 'technology preview' of systemd in Wheezy, it will be the default in > Jessie. Will it remain the default in the forseeable future or is it > expected to become mandatory in a later release? Debian policy is that for

Re: streaming over ssh and decrypting a file

Thank you for the pointer. Unfortunately, markov is dying and it is doubtful I can install anything new. The root file system is read-only and /var is full (though I can probably make some room on the latter). Ross On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 10:26 AM, Reco wrote: > Hi. > > On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 10:

Re: Upgrading to Jessie

softwatt wrote: > Hello. How does one upgrade the distro? I have searched the web but I > am getting some contradictions, and I am hesitant to mess things up. > All websites suggest updating the /etc/apt/sources.list file. This > makes a lot of sense. However, the consensus ends here. Beyond tha

Re: Jessie and Systemd integration

Ahoj, Dňa Thu, 18 Sep 2014 15:29:00 +0100 Lisi Reisz napísal: > (Sorry, John. Mea culpa.) > > On Thursday 18 September 2014 14:00:45 John Hasler wrote: > > Why do you refuse to install systemd-shim? Just because it has > > "systemd" in the name? > > > > Providing systemd-shim or similar is re

Re: Upgrading to Jessie

On 18/09/14 01:30 PM, softwatt wrote: Hello. How does one upgrade the distro? I have searched the web but I am getting some contradictions, and I am hesitant to mess things up. All websites suggest updating the /etc/apt/sources.list file. This makes a lot of sense. However, the consensus ends he

Re: Jessie and Systemd integration

Ahoj, Dňa Thu, 18 Sep 2014 10:53:21 +0100 Brian napísal: > On Thu 18 Sep 2014 at 09:44:49 +0100, Joe wrote: > > > This is the basic purpose of this whole set of threads. Is there > > *really* going to be a practical alternative to using systemd, and > > if so, will Debian support it? It is, for

Re: Jessie and Systemd integration

On Thu 18 Sep 2014 at 17:04:02 +0100, J Rowan wrote: > On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 10:53:21 +0100 > Brian wrote: > > > For anyone intending to install Jessie, which is the only thing which > > matters for Debian and the immediate future, the practical > > alternatives and direction to take have been des

Re: Jessie and Systemd integration

Erwan David writes: > It is also importat to know if it is worth the effort to report bugs > on software which happen in a systemd-shim or sysvinitcore without any > systemd Yes. Provide patches when possible. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to deb

Re: Upgrading to Jessie

If your /etc/apt/sources.list file refers to your current distribution as "stable" then once Jessie becomes the new "stable" then apt-get update followed by apt-get dist-upgrade will work. If your sources.list file calls it "wheezy" then you need to change it to "jessie" before doing the apt-gets.

Re: Jessie and Systemd integration

On 18/09/14 17:33, Reco wrote: 1) Unstable journald format. Good luck finding that exact version of journalctl to read logs over next several years. When journald was *introduced*, systemd-journald's log file format was not immediately finalized. However, at the time of this e-mail, it appea

Re: Jack: was Slight New Sound Problem

On 18/09/14 at 11:09am, Steve Litt wrote: > On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 09:40:56 -0500 > "T.J. Duchene" wrote: > > > Good morning, Martin! > > > > Before I can make suggestions, I need to know if you are using a > > daemon such as Jack or PulseAudio or if you are using ALSA directly. > > T.J (and anyon

Re: Jessie and Systemd integration

On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 10:22:21AM -0500, T.J. Duchene wrote: > Thanks very much, everyone. > > I especially appreciate the dependency information with no bias. Just the > facts is always appreciated on an emotional issue such as this. > > The truth is that I can live with a stray library or a sh

Re: Upgrading to Jessie

On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 07:50:10PM +0200, Sven Hartge wrote: > softwatt wrote: > This leads to a newish trend in systems administration, facilitated by > widespread use of virtualisation or container techniques: never upgrade > a system to a new release, just "spawn" a new and fresh installed one

Re: Jessie and Systemd integration

On Thu 18 Sep 2014 at 19:46:43 +0200, Slavko wrote: > Dňa Thu, 18 Sep 2014 10:53:21 +0100 Brian > napísal: > > > For anyone intending to install Jessie, which is the only thing which > > matters for Debian and the immediate future, the practical > > alternatives and direction to take have been d

Re: Jessie and Systemd integration

Hi. On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 19:03:21 +0100 Martin Read wrote: > However, at the time of this e-mail, it appears to have been covered by > the Interface Stability Promise for nearly a year *at a minimum*; as of > 24 Oct 2013 (the last time the page linked below was edited), journald's > on-disk r

Re: Jessie and Systemd integration

On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 10:42:21 -0700 agr wrote: > I have been using Debian for almost 14 years continuosly, and i had to > transfered 1 server to OpenBSD, because the comments in this list are > uncertain; i can not wait for Jessi to do the transition. Could you tell us about this migration (eas

Q: security fixes

Hi folks, is there any reason, why security fixes are done in sid and stable, but not in testing? Latest example: apt. Fixed in unstable and stable, but not in testing. In testing it is still 1.0.8 and not fixed. Weired policy... Best Hans -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ.

Re: Jessie and Systemd integration

Slavko writes: > I was try this some days ago (when latest systemd-shim goes into > testing). By my understand of the root of problem, the policykit based > users rights depends on libpam-systemd which relies on the > libsystemd-login0 information about active and/or local user logins. > And the li

Re: Q: security fixes

On Thu, 18 Sep 2014, Hans wrote: > is there any reason, why security fixes are done in sid and stable, > but not in testing? Latest example: apt. 1. Developer time[1] 2. Testing gets fixed automatically when packages move from unstable to testing; security updates generally migrate in two days or

Re: Q: security fixes

Am Donnerstag, 18. September 2014, 12:16:05 schrieb Don Armstrong: > On Thu, 18 Sep 2014, Hans wrote: > > is there any reason, why security fixes are done in sid and stable, > > but not in testing? Latest example: apt. > > 1. Developer time[1] > > 2. Testing gets fixed automatically when packages

Re: Upgrading to Jessie

Haines Brown wrote: > On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 07:50:10PM +0200, Sven Hartge wrote: >> softwatt wrote: >> This leads to a newish trend in systems administration, facilitated >> by widespread use of virtualisation or container techniques: never >> upgrade a system to a new release, just "spawn" a

Re: Making keyboard remap changes permanent without reboot.

Thanks all for their help. Finally i decided to install jessy debian testing and tested the problem in testing where there is no reverting back and the remap stays ok during the whole session. Thank. Alexandros -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject

Re: Jack: was Slight New Sound Problem

On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 08:29:26PM +0200, Raffaele Morelli wrote: > On 18/09/14 at 11:09am, Steve Litt wrote: > > I really want to use Jack, but every time I've tried, I > > failed miserably and gotten no sound. Is there some > > special mindset you need when installing/configuring > > Jack, and if

Re: Jessie and Systemd integration

Ahoj, Dňa Thu, 18 Sep 2014 13:56:47 -0500 John Hasler napísal: > Slavko writes: > > I was try this some days ago (when latest systemd-shim goes into > > testing). By my understand of the root of problem, the policykit > > based users rights depends on libpam-systemd which relies on the > > libsy

Re: git: how to figure out with a script what the last commit on remote repo is without fetching it

Joel Rees writes: > On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 10:43 PM, lee wrote: >> Joel Rees writes: >> >>> 2014/09/14 6:55 "lee" yun.yagibdah.de >>> >: Joel Rees @ gmail.com >>> > writes: >>> >>> I can't think of any reason it would be dependent on https connectivity. >>> Any way you can reach the

Re: screen 0: in putty title bar

On 18/09/2014 17:38, B wrote: On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 17:33:18 +0100 Apero Maxx wrote: PROMPT_COMMAND='printf "\033k%s@%s:%s\033\\" "${USER}" "${HOSTNAME%%.*}" "${PWD/#$HOME/~}"' Check ~/.bashrc for the right string. I've cracked it thank you! Working just how I like it now. --- This email

Re: Jessie and Systemd integration

On 18/09/14 19:37, Reco wrote: Are those formats documented somewhere? I'm asking as suddenly I felt an irresistible urge to write journald log viewer and a wireshark dissector. Please note that 'documented' does not equal to 'they provide the source it's all there'. The main page for systemd o

Re: Upgrading to Jessie

On 18/09/14 02:11 PM, Michael Fothergill wrote: If your /etc/apt/sources.list file refers to your current distribution as "stable" then once Jessie becomes the new "stable" then apt-get update followed by apt-get dist-upgrade will work. If your sources.list file calls it "wheezy" then you need

Re: Jack: was Slight New Sound Problem

On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 19:15:29 +0200 Peter Nieman wrote: > On 18/09/14 17:09, Steve Litt wrote: > > I really want to use Jack, but every time I've tried, I failed > > miserably and gotten no sound. Is there some special mindset you > > need when installing/configuring Jack, and if so, where can I f

Skype + Linux? was Jack: was Slight New Sound Problem

On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 20:29:26 +0200 Raffaele Morelli wrote: > On 18/09/14 at 11:09am, Steve Litt wrote: > > My understanding of Jack (and please correct me if I'm wrong), is > > that it's like being able to patchcord together all sorts of > > software sound processor boxes, in whatever configurat

Re: Slight New Sound Problem

Pulseaudio has had a long history of being poorly handling certain audio chipset drivers, I'm afraid. You may be able to solve your problem by adjusting the the driver parameters in the file: /etc/pulse/default.pa. You will need to have administrator permission to do this. Be sure to make a backup

Re: Error with Latest Google Chrome Stable

On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 07:09:10PM +0100, Alan Chandler wrote: > On 14/09/14 23:40, Kenneth Jacker wrote: < snip > > >Is this a known bug? With Chrome? With Flash? > > > > See https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=410805 > > The suggested place to get a replacement is here >

Re: Skype + Linux? was Jack: was Slight New Sound Problem

On Thu 18 Sep 2014 at 17:19:01 -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 20:29:26 +0200 > Raffaele Morelli wrote: > > > > Yes, jack compliant applications can be routed from/to every where. > > Non compliant apps can also be routed with little tweaking (eg. > > flashplayer, skype) > > Did

Re: OT: Pepper Flash Crashes Everywhere

On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 06:14:43PM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote: > Anyone else experiencing this? Haven't found any reports so far. > Chrome & Pepper ran fine before update/upgrade a few days ago. Figured > I'd check before I started mucking about the system trying to fix it. > > Downloaded .deb

Re: Jessie and Systemd integration

On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 20:52:41 +0200 B wrote: > On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 10:42:21 -0700 > agr wrote: > > > I have been using Debian for almost 14 years continuosly, and i had > > to transfered 1 server to OpenBSD, because the comments in this > > list are uncertain; i can not wait for Jessi to do

Re: OT: Pepper Flash Crashes Everywhere

On Thu, 18 Sep 2014, Stephen Allen wrote: > On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 06:14:43PM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote: > > Anyone else experiencing this? Haven't found any reports so far. > > Chrome & Pepper ran fine before update/upgrade a few days ago. > > Figured I'd check before I started mucking about

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