-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 On 09/18/2014 at 12:36 AM, Raffaele Morelli wrote:
> On 17/09/14 at 09:17am, John Hasler wrote: > >> Mart van de Wege writes: >>> That's funny, because I keep seeing the same names coming up. >> >> And I see the same names coming up in the anti anti systemd rant >> rants. >> >> Quit ranting, ok? If you don't actually have anything to say >> don't say it. If you do, say it and ignore the ranters. > > Delete key works perfectly and fast here BTW, none of the posters > (spammers) is a debian developer and AFAIK it's not going to be. > > That given, can someone explain what's the use in those debates in > which your decision making power it's less than a pigeon shit on a > coat in the middle of a storm? Noise helps make it clear that there is objection, and can help make it clear the magnitude and/or the extent of that objection; in theory, this can then inform the thinking of the decision-makers, in assessing whether a particular decision (including whether to go back on, or details of how to implement, an earlier decision) is appropriate. Whether the decision-makers care about the existence, much less the magnitude or the extent, of objection to the decisions which have been taken is another question. If they don't, then the noise can potentially help serve a separate purpose, by virtue of being an irritant; if the noise is irritating enough, they may decide it's worth doing things differently to get rid of the objections and thereby get rid of the noise. In other words, "if you don't think X is a problem for you directly, we'll make X a problem for you indirectly by not giving you any peace about it". That latter angle doesn't work very well when the decision-makers in question can simply filter all of the noise out (whether by killfiles or by moderation or similar), of course, and even less well when they aren't in a position to see it in the first place - which they mostly aren't, here, AFAICT. But it is something which may be part of the reasoning (if you can call it that) behind deciding to engage in these "debates". Plus, of course, these discussions enable those who have objections to be aware of the existence of others out there who may agree with them, to share resources with those others (and with anyone interested who may not engage in the discussions), and potentially to band together in pursuit of alternatives - whether creating new ones, or simply finding practical ways to implement and use ones which already exist. Which can hardly be a bad thing, can it? - -- The Wanderer Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. A government exists to serve its citizens, not to control them. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJUGtsNAAoJEASpNY00KDJreHwP/Ak4YmyPazZ8dNWNMsplxAsf GKXrpdOFM2fCBgW71b50jLajr44VGiIxVMQ/wYIDLYcuWbqgh/yL52an9COzmjBu foquMS8e19Fd+Rg7RHEjCw07SqgIuGOdHzGSw00U5vLARZoDZnL+Go2r2n69lleX H/oJtcaPBhbZuJDuGdoPQDjbl/42FNg/T8jx+spFrRIyoCIWlSGLlQ7dMcA9P50p UhS5VyF7cBqeO2+FNzVX0Rs2hTjt7VuaFjgpC4U5MFAfHm61gsIR9OjmHrs9meLK D8cI68SwYJEd+tSqWjVr+ePBU4ZtnmTZIMajoydsO5waDs4Z2gIHLe2NUehVDCT1 Qz564nuSVwUqbNwanE0JLZkkgTLuGbpWxqKMnagX5+wElUn3PxXZ3HRlhb22HzNF 7cESRSUFlzk//azXfHzQUNGJZTrqR0D0ldeF0/Nm49b4UV72f5Bbkb2H0ksv1jxM hiJzWliNhFTyLpf8Gyft3Ed0AgsM9lmZNe+NUYk30WzRcAmEP+DYLqZ69D7DD3rb M8Vrgcpjg2z7wSJFznKbwSMf1CkjX43ZZ+Fm50fcG6m4dgv7lJiwnwt97SobC54j 2zKCpHBCVziJIwEgN3fdCBhYMBTx5GYT2r8ZHgjyyipKwu6FDevCjs4mdsZwPbqX c70pFPIzqyZ+hu4vE+cN =ctYM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/541adb0d.2070...@fastmail.fm
