(Sorry, John.  Mea culpa.)

On Thursday 18 September 2014 14:00:45 John Hasler wrote:
> Why do you refuse to install systemd-shim?  Just because it has
> "systemd" in the name?
>
> Providing systemd-shim or similar is really about the only thing Debian
> can do about upstreams deciding to make their packages dependent on
> Systemd.  The Gnome and KDE situations would be no different if Debian
> had decided to stick with Sysvinit.
>
> Learn to use FVWM.

Someone on the TDE list has just installed a functional Sid and TDE without a 
sniff of systemd.  Suspend isn't working yet.

I haven't asked for proof!

Lisi


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