Re: Jabber network vs. multi-protocol IM clients

2006-07-25 Thread hendrik
On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 02:19:43PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: > > How long have multiple-IM clients been around now? 6 or 8 years? Even DOS > had more progress made over the same timespan in terms of usability. I think > that says more about the utter lack of effort or the impossibility of a

Re: Odp: Re: just some thoughts

2006-07-25 Thread hendrik
On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 06:42:50AM -0500, John Hasler wrote: > Zbigniew writes: > > There's a lot of free games attached to childrens' magazines. Most of > > them are only for Windows, there is no way to play them on linux. > > If they are gratis, why do they need to be closed-source? Maybe it's

Re: newbie question -- Using Bootlog, Startup Messages, Console

2006-07-25 Thread Miles Fidelman
Ooops. I guess I wasn't as clear as I could have been. Editing /etc/default/bootlod to set BOOTLOGD_ENABLE=yes Works like a charm. Miles Willie Wonka wrote: [ apologies for the long time since replying ] Miles Fidelman wrote: Willie Wonka wrote: Mumia W. wrote: AFAIK, that's not the way

Re: Linux Watch article: How AMD's acquisition of ATI may help Linux

2006-07-25 Thread bob hole
I hope so!On 7/25/06, Rick Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: AMD, a generally Linux friendly company, is acquiring ATI, maker ofmany, if not most, of the graphics adapters used in Apple PowerMacs.ATI has traditionally kept their drivers closed-source. The articlein Linux Watch [1] speculates that t

Re: Debian Support for IBM xSeries 360

2006-07-25 Thread hendrik
On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 08:41:57AM -0700, Marc Shapiro wrote: > Carl Fink wrote: > > >Quick poll: how many people here are old enough to read that subject line > >and think of the IBM Series/360, the mainframe? > > > > > Count me in! My first programming was on an IBM 360 in an "Introduction >

Building deb package?

2006-07-25 Thread Bruno Buys
How do I build a deb package, after successfully compiling from source, so as dpkg can be aware of it? If anybody have any links or reading references thatd be great, so i don't feel so lazy. thanks! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Conta

Re: Debian on i486

2006-07-25 Thread Bruno Buys
Leonid Grinberg wrote: Hello, I am hopefully going to recieve an old i486 machine, and for kicks, I thought that it would be nice to install Debian. Does anyone know how I would go about doing this, as well as how much success I should expect to get? Obviously, Debian no longer supports i486, b

Re: Jabber network vs. multi-protocol IM clients

2006-07-25 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tuesday 25 July 2006 18:23, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 02:19:43PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: > > How long have multiple-IM clients been around now? 6 or 8 years? Even > > DOS had more progress made over the same timespan in terms of usability. > > I think that says mor

Re: Jabber network vs. multi-protocol IM clients

2006-07-25 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tuesday 25 July 2006 14:29, Matej Cepl wrote: > Paul Johnson wrote: > > Hmm, what's the deal with the kopete package version being radically > > wrong then? > > kopete is still just part of kdenetwork package, except that now they > decided that they want to make swifter development cycle than K

Desktop linux-image

2006-07-25 Thread Matej Cepl
Hi, does anybody know about a repository which would have %subj% (as up-to-date as possible)? I am thinking about things like CONFIG_PREEMPT, SWSUSP2, etc.) Thanks, Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTE

Re: If you are running XFS and a 2.6.17(.x) kernel...

2006-07-25 Thread Rick Friedman
CJ van den Berg wrote: > This bug has caused serious data loss on my systems and no end of headaches > in the last two weeks. I really hope the fix goes into a debian kernel soon > to save others the pain. Well, it seems the kernel team has released a new stable version of the kernel, 2.6.17.7. Ac

Re: Building deb package?

2006-07-25 Thread Thierry Chatelet
Bruno Buys wrote: How do I build a deb package, after successfully compiling from source, so as dpkg can be aware of it? If anybody have any links or reading references thatd be great, so i don't feel so lazy. thanks! hi, You can have a lok there: Debian List Thierry -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, em

Re: newbie question -- Using Bootlog, Startup Messages, Console

2006-07-25 Thread Willie Wonka
Miles Fidelman wrote: > Ooops. I guess I wasn't as clear as I could have been. > > Editing /etc/default/bootlod to set > BOOTLOGD_ENABLE=yes > > Works like a charm. > > Miles Thanks for clarifying that for me ;-) Regards __ Do You Yahoo!? Tire

Re: Building deb package?

2006-07-25 Thread Matej Cepl
Bruno Buys wrote: > How do I build a deb package, after successfully compiling from source, > so as dpkg can be aware of it? If anybody have any links or reading > references thatd be great, so i don't feel so lazy. > thanks! apt-cache show maint-guide Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1B

Re: Linux Watch article: How AMD's acquisition of ATI may help Linux

2006-07-25 Thread John Hasler
Rick Thomas writes: > ATI has traditionally kept their drivers closed-source. It will be difficult as the drivers most likely contain third-party "IP". The chips themselves also probably contain third-party "IP" that may be subject to extremely restrictive license conditions such that publishing i

Re: Debian Support for IBM xSeries 360

2006-07-25 Thread John Hasler
hendrik writes: > Before that, an IBM 1620... Someone else who started out on a 1620. I never got to do anything with it but submit FORTRAN decks, though. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

ps showing 0:00 TIME for bind9 with -t chroot

2006-07-25 Thread D G Teed
Hi,Here is a scenario...Two servers: both Debian 3.1 stable.  Both running bind 9.2.4.1installed by apt-get.One bind runs with -t /var/lib/named (bind's chroot option) while the other does not. Both name servers are working properly and are performing fine.The chrooted bind will show 0:00 for proce

Re: Jabber network vs. multi-protocol IM clients

2006-07-25 Thread Matej Cepl
Paul Johnson wrote: > I meant in general, the whole genre of multi-IM software. This is not fair -- the fact one program is crap (and even commercial one) doesn't mean that similar programs are crap as well. Windows NT is piece of sh..t, so Linux has to be bad as well :-). >> I talked about that

Re: Debian Support for IBM xSeries 360

2006-07-25 Thread Jeff
Carl Fink wrote: Quick poll: how many people here are old enough to read that subject line and think of the IBM Series/360, the mainframe? Having spent much of my life talking to these big-iron beasts, I did a bit of a double-take. Actually, though, the correct name for the mainframe series

Re: Debian on i486

2006-07-25 Thread Marc Shapiro
Leonid Grinberg wrote: Hello, I am hopefully going to recieve an old i486 machine, and for kicks, I thought that it would be nice to install Debian. Does anyone know how I would go about doing this, as well as how much success I should expect to get? Obviously, Debian no longer supports i486, b

Re: Jabber network vs. multi-protocol IM clients

2006-07-25 Thread Steve Lamb
Paul Johnson wrote: > I'm just saying the client-side approach to multi-protocol > support is ass-backwards in general and usually results in a client that > whose support of half a dozen clients is the world's least funny joke, Personally I see it the other way around. My experience with

Re: Jabber network vs. multi-protocol IM clients

2006-07-25 Thread Steve Lamb
Paul Johnson wrote: > How long have multiple-IM clients been around now? 6 or 8 years? Even DOS > had more progress made over the same timespan in terms of usability. Hyperbole much, Paul? Let's see, in the start they did what... ICQ and mayyybe AIM. Now they're up to over a dozen networ

Re: Jabber network vs. multi-protocol IM clients

2006-07-25 Thread Steve Lamb
Paul Johnson wrote: > That contributes to the problem for sure, but I'm not limiting it just to a > protocol support issue. Memory leaks and terrible UI choices also tend to > plague the multiprotocol clients (GAIM and Trillian in particular). Yes, of course, and that would never happen in

Re: Jabber network vs. multi-protocol IM clients

2006-07-25 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tuesday 25 July 2006 20:03, Matej Cepl wrote: > Paul Johnson wrote: > > I meant in general, the whole genre of multi-IM software. > > This is not fair -- the fact one program is crap (and even commercial one) > doesn't mean that similar programs are crap as well. Windows NT is piece of > sh..t,

Re: Jabber network vs. multi-protocol IM clients

2006-07-25 Thread Steve Lamb
Paul Johnson wrote: > I'm not sure the Soviet Union didn't have help. They were plagued by > power-hungry party officials and translators that accidentally mistranslate > morbid but harmless Russian idioms into outward threats. Had Lenin not > seized power and disposed of Marx, Stalin not have

Re: Jabber network vs. multi-protocol IM clients

2006-07-25 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tuesday 25 July 2006 20:59, Steve Lamb wrote: > Paul Johnson wrote: > > How long have multiple-IM clients been around now? 6 or 8 years? Even > > DOS had more progress made over the same timespan in terms of usability. > > Hyperbole much, Paul? Let's see, in the start they did what... IC

Re: Jabber network vs. multi-protocol IM clients

2006-07-25 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tuesday 25 July 2006 20:55, Steve Lamb wrote: > Paul Johnson wrote: > > I'm just saying the client-side approach to multi-protocol > > support is ass-backwards in general and usually results in a client that > > whose support of half a dozen clients is the world's least funny joke, > > Perso

Re: Jabber network vs. multi-protocol IM clients

2006-07-25 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tuesday 25 July 2006 21:03, Steve Lamb wrote: > Paul Johnson wrote: > > That contributes to the problem for sure, but I'm not limiting it just to > > a protocol support issue. Memory leaks and terrible UI choices also tend > > to plague the multiprotocol clients (GAIM and Trillian in particular

Re: Debian Support for IBM xSeries 360

2006-07-25 Thread Russell L. Harris
John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > hendrik writes: >> Before that, an IBM 1620... > > Someone else who started out on a 1620. I never got to do anything with it > but submit FORTRAN decks, though. > > -- > John Hasler Most of the people who complain loudest about the difficulties of prin

Re: Debian on i486

2006-07-25 Thread Paul Dwerryhouse
On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 08:15:07PM -0400, Leonid Grinberg wrote: > I am hopefully going to recieve an old i486 machine, and for kicks, I > thought that it would be nice to install Debian. Does anyone know how > I would go about doing this, as well as how much success I should > expect to get? It

Installation problem

2006-07-25 Thread Stephen Liu
Hi folks, I ran "debian-31r0a-amd64-netinst" CD installer to install Debian. The installation went throught without problem. But the onboard LAN card can't be detected. Neither can I select the right driver from the list. Motherboard - ASUS Model - A8N-VM-UAYGZ After booting and login as root

Re: Debian Support for IBM xSeries 360

2006-07-25 Thread Carl Fink
On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 08:16:26PM -0700, Jeff wrote: > Having spent much of my life talking to these big-iron beasts, I did a > bit of a double-take. Actually, though, the correct name for the > mainframe series was IBM *System*/360. I actually never worked on a 360. My University had an S/3

Re: Jabber network vs. multi-protocol IM clients

2006-07-25 Thread Matej Cepl
Paul Johnson wrote: > I'm not sure the Soviet Union didn't have help. They were plagued by > power-hungry party officials and translators that accidentally > mistranslate morbid but harmless Russian idioms into outward threats. > Had Lenin not seized power and disposed of Marx, Stalin not have eve

Re: Jabber network vs. multi-protocol IM clients

2006-07-25 Thread Steve Lamb
Paul Johnson wrote: > So SMTP unifying email is a bad thing? That's what it sounds like you're > arguing to me. No, that would be what your strawman is telling you. -- Steve C. Lamb | But who decides what they dream? PGP Key: 8B6E99C5 | And dream I do... ---

Re: Debian on i486

2006-07-25 Thread Luis Fernando Llana Díaz
El Miércoles, 26 de Julio de 2006 02:15, Leonid Grinberg escribió: > Hello, > > I am hopefully going to recieve an old i486 machine, and for kicks, I > thought that it would be nice to install Debian. Does anyone know how > I would go about doing this, as well as how much success I should > expect

Re: Jabber network vs. multi-protocol IM clients

2006-07-25 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tuesday 25 July 2006 22:19, Steve Lamb wrote: > Paul Johnson wrote: > > So SMTP unifying email is a bad thing? That's what it sounds like you're > > arguing to me. > > No, that would be what your strawman is telling you. So are you going to explain why I'm wrong, or do we just take the Ult

Re: Installation problem

2006-07-25 Thread Thierry Chatelet
Stephen Liu wrote: Hi folks, I ran "debian-31r0a-amd64-netinst" CD installer to install Debian. The installation went throught without problem. But the onboard LAN card can't be detected. Neither can I select the right driver from the list. Motherboard - ASUS Model - A8N-VM-UAYGZ After boot

Re: Debian Support for IBM xSeries 360

2006-07-25 Thread Marc Shapiro
Russell L. Harris wrote: Most of the people who complain loudest about the difficulties of printing in Linux never had to depend upon an IBM line printer, the input to which was in the form of 80-column punched cards. ;-) And most of them never knew the utter rapture of owing your very own Epson

Re: Jabber network vs. multi-protocol IM clients

2006-07-25 Thread Steve Lamb
Paul Johnson wrote: > On Tuesday 25 July 2006 22:19, Steve Lamb wrote: >> Paul Johnson wrote: >>> So SMTP unifying email is a bad thing? That's what it sounds like you're >>> arguing to me. >> No, that would be what your strawman is telling you. > So are you going to explain why I'm wrong, or

Re: Jabber network vs. multi-protocol IM clients

2006-07-25 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tuesday 25 July 2006 22:49, Steve Lamb wrote: > Paul Johnson wrote: > > On Tuesday 25 July 2006 22:19, Steve Lamb wrote: > >> Paul Johnson wrote: > >>> So SMTP unifying email is a bad thing? That's what it sounds like > >>> you're arguing to me. > >> > >> No, that would be what your strawma

Konqueror and ACLs: difference between SuSE and Debian, between 3.5.x versions?

2006-07-25 Thread Adrian von Bidder
Yodel! [cc:s appreciated] We're facing a problem here with konquerors acl behaviour: changing from SuSE's 3.4.something to Debian backport 3.5.0 or also http://deb.stosberg.net/'s 3.5.3 backports, acl behaviour on file copying has annoyingly changed to also copy the acl. Old (and "correct" -

turn off CUPS cover sheet

2006-07-25 Thread Russell L. Harris
How can I turn off printing of the job identification cover sheet in CUPS on a freshly-installed Etch system? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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