On Tuesday 25 July 2006 20:03, Matej Cepl wrote: > Paul Johnson wrote: > > I meant in general, the whole genre of multi-IM software. > > This is not fair -- the fact one program is crap (and even commercial one) > doesn't mean that similar programs are crap as well. Windows NT is piece of > sh..t, so Linux has to be bad as well :-).
Well, more like Windows NT is a piece of shit, so it's not really a surprise that 2000 and XP are as well. > >> I talked about that with some devs on jdev MUC, and the conclusion was > >> that you would need to make substantial changes to mod_irc and no-one is > >> willing to do that--Erlang and all that stuff. > > > > Eh, IRC's dying anyway, so I guess it's not a big loss. > > The reports of IRC's death have been IMHO greatly exaggerated. Could you > elaborate on this? I did further down below in the same post you replied to. > > IRC is losing users to IM systems in general, and Jabber in particular > > from the userbase I've encountered, which is to be expected given what we > > saw with SMTP 10 years ago. > > Well, the timing is very important. My father when asked by BBC in 1968 > what he thinks about invasion of the Soviet army to the Czech republic > said, that the socialist system is unsustainable and that it will fall > apart by its own weight. And believing that they returned to the > Czechoslovakia (both my dad and my mom were in that time in Oxford, > England). Prediction was correct, just timing was twenty years off ;-). I'm not sure the Soviet Union didn't have help. They were plagued by power-hungry party officials and translators that accidentally mistranslate morbid but harmless Russian idioms into outward threats. Had Lenin not seized power and disposed of Marx, Stalin not have ever been a major figure and Krushchev been a bit more level headed and hired a sane translator, odds are the USSR would still exist today and the Cold War avoided entirely. > > The ball is already in motion, and it's probably way too late to try and > > stop it at this point: Instant messaging and groupchat services are > > eventually going to change to XMPP or die. > > Well, check your timing -- Debian doesn't have official MUC > (http://www.gatago.com/linux/debian/project/14623966.html), KDE doesn't > have working one (we two are present often at kdetalk.net, but that's not > that much comparing to #kde). Maybe Jabber will win (maybe something will), > but we are certainly not there yet. I've been told I have incredible foresight for these things. I predicted the Yahoo/MSN merger back in 2004 when Jabber overtook Yahoo in user count. -- Paul Johnson Email and IM (XMPP & Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: Because it's time to move forward http://ursine.ca/Ursine:Jabber
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