On 4/7/21, Dan Ritter wrote:
>> riveravaldez wrote:
>>
>> Hi, I was under the impression that (besides being fully open) Flatpak
>> had
>> better confinement method that Canonical's Snap, anybody knows if this is
>> correct?
>
> "Two years ago I wrote about then heavily-pushed Flatpak,
> self-proc
On 4/9/21 9:26 PM, Brian wrote:
In response to this well-argued post: which is less risky when not
installing a package from the archives?
* Install the vendor .deb.
* Install from the snap store.
Both are providing about the same level of isolation. One can make more
bad things with you
On 4/6/21 2:49 PM, Brian wrote:
On Tue 06 Apr 2021 at 11:20:58 +0200, Yoann LE BARS wrote:
Hello everybody out there!
On 2021/04/06 at 01:53 am, Paul Johnson wrote:
There's nothing user-unfriendly about .debs. They just don't want to
maintain their software and are looking for a "fire and fo
On Fri, 09 Apr 2021 21:30:45 +0200
Linux-Fan wrote:
> Celejar writes:
>
> > On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 20:48:01 +0300
> > Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> >
> > > On Vi, 09 apr 21, 08:02:46, Celejar wrote:
> > > > What about cases where the software simply isn't in Debian at all?
> > > > Recently, I've used Int
Celejar writes:
On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 20:48:01 +0300
Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Vi, 09 apr 21, 08:02:46, Celejar wrote:
> > What about cases where the software simply isn't in Debian at all?
> > Recently, I've used IntelliJ IDEA and Android Studio, and I'd like to
> > set up an OwnCloud server wh
On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 20:48:01 +0300
Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Vi, 09 apr 21, 08:02:46, Celejar wrote:
> >
> > What about cases where the software simply isn't in Debian at all?
> > Recently, I've used IntelliJ IDEA and Android Studio, and I'd like to
> > set up an OwnCloud server when I get a cha
On Fri 09 Apr 2021 at 20:43:58 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Vi, 09 apr 21, 06:34:32, riveravaldez wrote:
> > On 4/9/21, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > >
> > > Is it really unavoidable? Or just a tad less convenient?
> >
> > Well, that's a pretty subjective issue, to be honest... ;)
> >
> > >
On Vi, 09 apr 21, 08:02:46, Celejar wrote:
>
> What about cases where the software simply isn't in Debian at all?
> Recently, I've used IntelliJ IDEA and Android Studio, and I'd like to
> set up an OwnCloud server when I get a chance. These, and many other
> complex / fast-changing applications ar
On Vi, 09 apr 21, 06:34:32, riveravaldez wrote:
> On 4/9/21, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> >
> > Is it really unavoidable? Or just a tad less convenient?
>
> Well, that's a pretty subjective issue, to be honest... ;)
>
> > Can you pose one concrete use case where it is unavoidable?
>
> Not sure if
On Fri, Apr 09, 2021 at 08:23:59PM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Vi, 09 apr 21, 13:39:27, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > On Fri, Apr 09, 2021 at 01:09:31PM +0200, Yoann LE BARS wrote:
> > >
> > > Now, I have develop a few small applications who do not have much users
> > > and are not in the po
On Vi, 09 apr 21, 13:39:27, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 09, 2021 at 01:09:31PM +0200, Yoann LE BARS wrote:
> >
> > Now, I have develop a few small applications who do not have much users
> > and are not in the position to integrate the distribution. For the few
> > users of these pro
On Fri, Apr 09, 2021 at 11:01:13AM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote:
> > But I'll bitch and moan loudly to my interlocutor.
>
> Good.
>
> > Perhaps I'll lie and say that I've got just a telephone or something.
>
> Better not: better tell them clearly why you refuse to use that tool.
I forgot the ton
Hello everybody out there!
On 2021/04/09 at 2:51 pm, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> I still love the classical distro model: a stable base which doesn't
> move too quickly (and thus doesn't require much of my attention),
> which is well-vetted by maintainers (*thank you so much*), and a
> cou
Hello everybody out there!
On 2021/04/09 at 2:45 pm, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> But that only really works out when the customer is nearly all-Debian,
> which this one is.
Like I said: not all the users are on Debian.
Best regards.
--
Yoann LE BARS
https://le-bars.net/yoann/
D
> But I'll bitch and moan loudly to my interlocutor.
Good.
> Perhaps I'll lie and say that I've got just a telephone or something.
Better not: better tell them clearly why you refuse to use that tool.
We have a duty to educate, I think.
Stefan
On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 08:12:35 -0600
Charles Curley wrote:
> On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 15:39:23 +0200
> to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
>
> > > Sorry, I meant NextCloud
> >
> > I see. I kept myself confusing those two for a while.
> >
> > AFAIK it's packaged in Debian? Too old?
>
> I use the zip package from
On Fri, Apr 09, 2021 at 09:43:47AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote:
> On 2021-04-09 at 09:39, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
>
> > On Fri, Apr 09, 2021 at 09:28:15AM -0400, Celejar wrote:
> >
> > [...]
> >
> >> Sorry, I meant NextCloud
> >
> > I see. I kept myself confusing those two for a while.
> >
> > A
On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 15:39:23 +0200
to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 09, 2021 at 09:28:15AM -0400, Celejar wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > Sorry, I meant NextCloud
>
> I see. I kept myself confusing those two for a while.
>
> AFAIK it's packaged in Debian? Too old?
The client is, but the server isn
On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 15:39:23 +0200
to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > Sorry, I meant NextCloud
>
> I see. I kept myself confusing those two for a while.
>
> AFAIK it's packaged in Debian? Too old?
I use the zip package from the NextCloud web site. Once you do the
manual install, it will update itself
On 2021-04-09 at 09:39, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 09, 2021 at 09:28:15AM -0400, Celejar wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>> Sorry, I meant NextCloud
>
> I see. I kept myself confusing those two for a while.
>
> AFAIK it's packaged in Debian? Too old?
What package are you thinking of?
When I 'a
On Fri, Apr 09, 2021 at 09:28:15AM -0400, Celejar wrote:
[...]
> Sorry, I meant NextCloud
I see. I kept myself confusing those two for a while.
AFAIK it's packaged in Debian? Too old?
> > I still love the classical distro model [...]
> I fully agree, but the fact is that some really useful so
On Fri, Apr 09, 2021 at 02:07:33PM +0100, Joe wrote:
[...]
> There's a lot to be said for web applications [...]
Not my cup of tea. As a user, I downright *hate* them. As a devel
(I'm currently working on such a PHP/Javascript nightmare myself),
I pity the users.
But there must be cup-of-teas f
On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 14:51:29 +0200
wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 09, 2021 at 08:02:46AM -0400, Celejar wrote:
> > On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 09:21:49 +0200
> > wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > > Can you pose one concrete use case where it is unavoidable?
> >
> > What about cases where the software simply isn't in Debian
On Fri, Apr 09, 2021 at 01:55:21PM +0100, Joe wrote:
> On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 12:51:14 +0200
> wrote:
>
>
> >
> > Capitalists are like that.
> >
>
> Non-capitalists (i.e. governments) don't need to be [...]
(responded in private, to avoid starting an OT flood :)
> > Up to now, I've avoided the
On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 14:45:31 +0200
wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 09, 2021 at 01:48:44PM +0200, Yoann LE BARS wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > Concerning my own applications (they use a free licence),
> > really, it is better not to engage any integration into Debian: it
> > is not worth the effort nor for me,
On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 12:51:14 +0200
wrote:
>
> Capitalists are like that.
>
Non-capitalists (i.e. governments) don't need to be, they simply
imprison you if you don't do things their way. I still have a choice
whether to use Zoom, etc., or at least a choice whether to install it
on a computer I
On Fri, Apr 09, 2021 at 08:02:46AM -0400, Celejar wrote:
> On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 09:21:49 +0200
> wrote:
[...]
> > Can you pose one concrete use case where it is unavoidable?
>
> What about cases where the software simply isn't in Debian at all?
> Recently, I've used IntelliJ IDEA and Android Stud
On Fri, Apr 09, 2021 at 01:48:44PM +0200, Yoann LE BARS wrote:
[...]
> Concerning my own applications (they use a free licence), really, it is
> better not to engage any integration into Debian: it is not worth the
> effort nor for me, my users and the distribution. You cannot integrate
> a
On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 04:15:07 -0300
riveravaldez wrote:
...
> I'm still with the doubt. Even considering all this: which has better
> (or less-worse) confinement, Flatpak or Snap (or AppImage)?
>
> Trying to decide which is less-worse in a scenario of unavoidable
> use of some of these.
A third
On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 09:21:49 +0200
wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 09, 2021 at 04:15:07AM -0300, riveravaldez wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > Trying to decide which is less-worse in a scenario of unavoidable
> > use of some of these.
>
> Is it really unavoidable? Or just a tad less convenient?
>
> Can you pose on
Hello everybody out there!
On 2021/04/09 at 1:39 pm, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
>> I have found some bugs in Musescore that are corrected on a higher
>> version than the one available in stable.
>>
>> I need some functionalities available in Ardour 6, which is not
>> available in stable.
On Fri, Apr 09, 2021 at 01:09:31PM +0200, Yoann LE BARS wrote:
>
> Hello everybody out there!
>
> On 2021/04/09 at 09:21 am, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > Can you pose one concrete use case where it is unavoidable?
>
> I have found some bugs in Musescore that are corrected on a higher
> vers
Hello everybody out there!
On 2021/04/09 at 09:21 am, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> Can you pose one concrete use case where it is unavoidable?
I have found some bugs in Musescore that are corrected on a higher
version than the one available in stable.
I need some functionalities a
On Fri, Apr 09, 2021 at 06:34:32AM -0300, riveravaldez wrote:
> On 4/9/21, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > On Fri, Apr 09, 2021 at 04:15:07AM -0300, riveravaldez wrote:
> >
> > [...]
> >
> >> Trying to decide which is less-worse in a scenario of unavoidable
> >> use of some of these.
> >
> > Is it rea
On 4/9/21, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 09, 2021 at 04:15:07AM -0300, riveravaldez wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>> Trying to decide which is less-worse in a scenario of unavoidable
>> use of some of these.
>
> Is it really unavoidable? Or just a tad less convenient?
Well, that's a pretty subjectiv
On Fri, Apr 09, 2021 at 04:15:07AM -0300, riveravaldez wrote:
[...]
> Trying to decide which is less-worse in a scenario of unavoidable
> use of some of these.
Is it really unavoidable? Or just a tad less convenient?
Can you pose one concrete use case where it is unavoidable?
This may sound as
On 4/7/21, Dan Ritter wrote:
> riveravaldez wrote:
>> On Tuesday, April 6, 2021, Brian wrote:
>> > On Tue 06 Apr 2021 at 11:20:58 +0200, Yoann LE BARS wrote:
>> >
>> > I had occasion to install Zoom a few weeks ago;'snap install
>> > zoom-client'.
>> > Everything went smoothly and I quite like ha
riveravaldez wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 6, 2021, Brian wrote:
> > On Tue 06 Apr 2021 at 11:20:58 +0200, Yoann LE BARS wrote:
> >
> > I had occasion to install Zoom a few weeks ago;'snap install zoom-client'.
> > Everything went smoothly and I quite like having this proprietary package
> > strictl
On Tue, 6 Apr 2021 12:49:14 +0100
Brian wrote:
> On Tue 06 Apr 2021 at 11:20:58 +0200, Yoann LE BARS wrote:
>
> >
> > Hello everybody out there!
> >
> > On 2021/04/06 at 01:53 am, Paul Johnson wrote:
> > > There's nothing user-unfriendly about .debs. They just don't want to
> > > maintain the
On Tue 06 Apr 2021 at 11:20:58 +0200, Yoann LE BARS wrote:
>
> Hello everybody out there!
>
> On 2021/04/06 at 01:53 am, Paul Johnson wrote:
> > There's nothing user-unfriendly about .debs. They just don't want to
> > maintain their software and are looking for a "fire and forget"
> > solution.
Hello everybody out there!
On 2021/04/06 at 01:53 am, Paul Johnson wrote:
> There's nothing user-unfriendly about .debs. They just don't want to
> maintain their software and are looking for a "fire and forget"
> solution. I can't see this as anything but a bad thing, something the
> world can
On 4/5/21 4:53 PM, Paul Johnson wrote:
On Sat, Apr 3, 2021 at 11:39 AM George Shuklin
mailto:george.shuk...@gmail.com>> wrote:
It looks to me like they desperately want to jump away from debs into
'vendor friendly packaging'
There's nothing user-unfriendly about .debs. They just don
On Sat, Apr 3, 2021 at 11:39 AM George Shuklin
wrote:
> It looks to me like they desperately want to jump away from debs into
> 'vendor friendly packaging'
>
There's nothing user-unfriendly about .debs. They just don't want to
maintain their software and are looking for a "fire and forget" solu
On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 07:38:53PM +0300, George Shuklin wrote:
> I'd like to stir some debates.
>
> Ubuntu (which is 'enterprise friendly Debian with ambivalent feeling about
> free software') started to push snaps onto servers for real. It looks to me
> like they desperately want to jump away fr
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