Re: Solution for KVM via a cat 5 connection

2024-12-18 Thread Timothy M Butterworth
On Tue, Dec 17, 2024 at 11:50 PM Charles Curley < charlescur...@charlescurley.com> wrote: > On Mon, 27 May 2024 15:41:52 -0500 > Tom Browder wrote: > > > Has anyone had experience using a KVM setup (at least one HDMI and > > two USB ports) and using cat 5/6/7 between user and the computer? I > >

Re: Solution for KVM via a cat 5 connection

2024-12-17 Thread Charles Curley
On Mon, 27 May 2024 15:41:52 -0500 Tom Browder wrote: > Has anyone had experience using a KVM setup (at least one HDMI and > two USB ports) and using cat 5/6/7 between user and the computer? I > don’t need to handle multiple computers or high-def video movies, > just programming and office work.

Re: Solution for KVM via a cat 5 connection

2024-05-27 Thread Tom Browder
On Mon, May 27, 2024 at 17:47 Stefan Monnier wrote: > > Has anyone had experience using a KVM setup (at least one HDMI and two > USB > > ports) and using cat 5/6/7 between user and the computer? I don’t need > to > > handle multiple computers or high-def video movies, just programming and > > of

Re: Solution for KVM via a cat 5 connection

2024-05-27 Thread Stefan Monnier
> Has anyone had experience using a KVM setup (at least one HDMI and two USB > ports) and using cat 5/6/7 between user and the computer? I don’t need to > handle multiple computers or high-def video movies, just programming and > office work. I need a bit more distance from my computer which must

Re: SOLUTION AW: EPSON ET M 1120 new printer: If You can read this, you are using the wrong driver

2023-05-17 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Wed, May 17, 2023 at 06:27:55PM +, Schwibinger Michael wrote: > Good evening > > This did work. > > Thank You > > Thank You > > Thank You > > > Thank You > > Thank You > > Hi Sophie, I'm really very pleased that it all worked for you eventually. There were some false starts and so

Re: solution to / full

2023-03-06 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Mon, Mar 06, 2023 at 10:41:22AM +, Jonathan Dowland wrote: Quite. I habitually alias ls to 'ls -lhrt', (and cdls() { cd "$@" && ls -lhrt; }; alias cd=cdls) so I'm very used to only looking at the bottom of a long list of size-sorted-ascending. Err, of course, that's date-sort-ascending,

Re: solution to / full

2023-03-06 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Sat, Mar 04, 2023 at 11:10:48AM -0600, David Wright wrote: But then when there's a drove, the biggest go AWOL off the top of screen. Quite. I habitually alias ls to 'ls -lhrt', (and cdls() { cd "$@" && ls -lhrt; }; alias cd=cdls) so I'm very used to only looking at the bottom of a long list

Re: solution to / full

2023-03-04 Thread David Wright
On Fri 03 Mar 2023 at 15:42:37 (-), Curt wrote: > On 2023-03-02, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 02, 2023 at 07:25:58AM -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote: > >>I don't understand why you used sort -r, but then reversed it again with > >>tac at the end. You could drop both of the reversals, an

Re: solution to / full

2023-03-03 Thread davidson
On Fri, 3 Mar 2023 Curt wrote: On 2023-03-02, Jonathan Dowland wrote: On Thu, Mar 02, 2023 at 07:25:58AM -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote: I don't understand why you used sort -r, but then reversed it again with tac at the end. You could drop both of the reversals, and just change head to tail. T

Re: solution to / full

2023-03-03 Thread Curt
On 2023-03-02, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > On Thu, Mar 02, 2023 at 07:25:58AM -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote: >>I don't understand why you used sort -r, but then reversed it again with >>tac at the end. You could drop both of the reversals, and just change >>head to tail. > > The short answer is becaus

Re: solution to / full

2023-03-02 Thread Richard Hector
On 2/03/23 06:00, Andy Smith wrote: Hi, On Wed, Mar 01, 2023 at 02:35:17PM +0100, lina wrote: My / is almost full. # df -h Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on udev126G 0 126G 0% /dev tmpfs26G 2.3M 26G 1% /run /dev/nvme0n1p2 23G 21G 966M 96

Re: solution to / full

2023-03-02 Thread David Wright
On Thu 02 Mar 2023 at 18:09:06 (-0500), songbird wrote: > Joe wrote: > ... > > On unstable, I have a /var/cache/apt/archives directory, from which apt > > autoclean, which I do occasionally, recently removed about 5G of > > packages (obviously too occasionally). There's still quite a bit there > >

Re: solution to / full

2023-03-02 Thread songbird
Andy Smith wrote: > Hello, > > On Wed, Mar 01, 2023 at 07:53:19PM +0100, Nicolas George wrote: >> Andy Smith (12023-03-01): >> > > /dev/nvme0n1p2 23G 21G 966M 96% / >> > > /dev/nvme0n1p6 267M 83M 166M 34% /boot >> > > /dev/nvme0n1p1 511M 5.8M 506M 2% /boot/efi >> > > /dev/nvme0n1p3

Re: solution to / full

2023-03-02 Thread songbird
Joe wrote: ... > On unstable, I have a /var/cache/apt/archives directory, from which apt > autoclean, which I do occasionally, recently removed about 5G of > packages (obviously too occasionally). There's still quite a bit there > as it was only autoclean and I prefer to keep downloads around for a

Re: solution to / full

2023-03-02 Thread David Christensen
On 3/2/23 15:19, Felix Miata wrote: David Christensen composed on 2023-03-02 14:41 (UTC-0800): How do I make the settings live (other than rebooting, which might hang if there is a syntax error)? I think this is one of those things that systemctl daemon-reload does. [quote] So, it's a "s

Re: solution to / full

2023-03-02 Thread Felix Miata
David Christensen composed on 2023-03-02 14:41 (UTC-0800): > How do I make the settings live (other than rebooting, which might hang > if there is a syntax error)? I think this is one of those things that systemctl daemon-reload does. [quote] So, it's a "soft" reload, essentially; taking chan

Re: solution to / full

2023-03-02 Thread David Christensen
On 3/2/23 14:41, David Christensen wrote: On 3/2/23 00:53, lina wrote: > :/usr/lib$ du -sh * | sort -nr | grep -v K  | head > 981M R > 591M rstudio > 591M jvm > 554M mega > 538M llvm-11 > 343M modules > 313M libreoffice So, your computer has 3911M of apps in /usr/share. Corrections:

Re: solution to / full

2023-03-02 Thread David Christensen
On 3/1/23 05:35, lina wrote: > My / is almost full. > > # df -h > Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on > udev126G 0 126G 0% /dev > tmpfs26G 2.3M 26G 1% /run > /dev/nvme0n1p2 23G 21G 966M 96% / On 3/1/23 15:03, Felix Miata wrote: > I limit jou

Re: solution to / full

2023-03-02 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Thu, Mar 02, 2023 at 07:25:58AM -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote: I don't understand why you used sort -r, but then reversed it again with tac at the end. You could drop both of the reversals, and just change head to tail. The short answer is because I wrote all but the last "tac" several years a

Re: solution to / full

2023-03-02 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Thu, Mar 02, 2023 at 09:45:38AM +, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > --✂--✂--✂--✂--✂--✂--✂--✂--✂--✂ --✂--✂--✂--✂--✂--✂--✂--✂--✂--✂-- > > STATUS_FILE=/var/lib/dpkg/status > dpigs() > { > TL=${1-10} > awk -v RS='' '/Status:.*installed\n/' "$STATUS_FILE" \ > | grep -E '^(Installed-Size

Re: solution to / full

2023-03-02 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Wed, Mar 01, 2023 at 03:15:07PM +0100, Jochen Spieker wrote: The program dpigs from the package debian-goodies can help you find the biggest debian packages you have installed. Of course you need to check yourself whether you need them. It's a shame that this requires installing debian-goodi

Re: solution to / full

2023-03-02 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Wed, Mar 01, 2023 at 02:27:58PM -0700, Charles Curley wrote: You can find the large directory culprits quickly enough with cd / du -h | sort -h OP demonstrated that they know how to use ncdu, which is a far superior way of achieving the same result. Personally I like duc for this job (and

Re: solution to / full

2023-03-02 Thread tomas
On Thu, Mar 02, 2023 at 09:53:29AM +0100, lina wrote: > :/usr/lib$ du -sh * | sort -nr | grep -v K | head > 981M R > 591M rstudio > 591M jvm > 554M mega > 538M llvm-11 > 343M modules > 313M libreoffice Insightful, thanks :) Cheers -- t signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: solution to / full

2023-03-02 Thread lina
:/usr/lib$ du -sh * | sort -nr | grep -v K | head 981M R 591M rstudio 591M jvm 554M mega 538M llvm-11 343M modules 313M libreoffice On Thu, Mar 2, 2023 at 9:48 AM lina wrote: > Hi all, > > Thanks for your suggestions, > > I take the least risk way, just move the things from /opt away, > > I hop

Re: solution to / full

2023-03-02 Thread lina
Hi all, Thanks for your suggestions, I take the least risk way, just move the things from /opt away, I hope I can make it in the next few months, the biggest problem was created by the R associated package. /dev/nvme0n1p2 23G 18G 4.5G 80% / Thanks again, lina On Thu, Mar 2, 2023 at 6:40

Re: solution to / full

2023-03-01 Thread tomas
On Wed, Mar 01, 2023 at 06:12:05PM -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Wed, Mar 01, 2023 at 05:53:18PM -0500, Jeffrey Walton wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 1, 2023 at 8:35 AM lina wrote: > > > > > > My / is almost full. [...] > > > /dev/nvme0n1p2 23G 21G 966M 96% / [...] > > > /dev/nvme0n1p3 9.1G

Re: solution to / full

2023-03-01 Thread David Wright
On Wed 01 Mar 2023 at 19:53:09 (+), Andy Smith wrote: > On Wed, Mar 01, 2023 at 07:53:19PM +0100, Nicolas George wrote: > I was talking about them going to the effort of separating /home and > /var and ending up with completely inappropriate sizings. They would > have been much better off just

Re: solution to / full

2023-03-01 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Wed, Mar 01, 2023 at 05:53:18PM -0500, Jeffrey Walton wrote: > On Wed, Mar 1, 2023 at 8:35 AM lina wrote: > > > > My / is almost full. > > > > # df -h > > Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on > > udev126G 0 126G 0% /dev > > tmpfs26G 2.3M 26G 1% /r

Re: solution to / full

2023-03-01 Thread Felix Miata
Jeffrey Walton composed on 2023-03-01 17:53 (UTC-0500): > You can probably reclaim a couple of GB by trimming systemd logs. It > should get you some room to work. Something like: >journalctl --vacuum-time=14d I limit journal size this way: # cat /etc/systemd/journald.conf.d/local.conf [Journ

Re: solution to / full

2023-03-01 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Wed, Mar 1, 2023 at 8:35 AM lina wrote: > > My / is almost full. > > # df -h > Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on > udev126G 0 126G 0% /dev > tmpfs26G 2.3M 26G 1% /run > /dev/nvme0n1p2 23G 21G 966M 96% / > tmpfs 126G 15M 126G

Re: solution to / full

2023-03-01 Thread Charles Curley
On Wed, 1 Mar 2023 14:35:17 +0100 lina wrote: > My / is almost full. > > # df -h > Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on > udev126G 0 126G 0% /dev > tmpfs26G 2.3M 26G 1% /run > /dev/nvme0n1p2 23G 21G 966M 96% / You can find the large director

Re: solution to / full

2023-03-01 Thread David Christensen
On 3/1/23 05:35, lina wrote: Hi, My / is almost full. # df -h Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on udev126G 0 126G 0% /dev tmpfs26G 2.3M 26G 1% /run /dev/nvme0n1p2 23G 21G 966M 96% / tmpfs 126G 15M 126G 1% /dev/shm tmpfs

Re: solution to / full

2023-03-01 Thread Brian
On Wed 01 Mar 2023 at 19:37:10 +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Wed, Mar 01, 2023 at 06:12:09PM +, Brian wrote: > > On Wed 01 Mar 2023 at 17:43:41 +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > > [...] > > > > > In a pinch, you can "sudo apt-get clean", which purges the APT > > > package cache, whi

Re: solution to / full

2023-03-01 Thread Brian
On Wed 01 Mar 2023 at 13:33:32 -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Wed, Mar 01, 2023 at 06:12:09PM +, Brian wrote: > > On Wed 01 Mar 2023 at 17:43:41 +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > > [...] > > > > > In a pinch, you can "sudo apt-get clean", which purges the APT > > > package cache, which

Re: solution to / full

2023-03-01 Thread Brian
On Wed 01 Mar 2023 at 19:48:59 +, Joe wrote: > On Wed, 1 Mar 2023 18:12:09 + > Brian wrote: > > > On Wed 01 Mar 2023 at 17:43:41 +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > > [...] > > > > > In a pinch, you can "sudo apt-get clean", which purges the APT > > > package cache, which lives in /va

Re: solution to / full

2023-03-01 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Wed, Mar 01, 2023 at 07:53:34PM +, Joe wrote: > On Wed, 1 Mar 2023 13:33:32 -0500 > Greg Wooledge wrote: > > By default, "apt" removes the .deb files > > from /var/cache/apt/archives/ after installing them, but "apt-get" > > does not. For other programs, who knows. > > I've just asked abo

Re: solution to / full

2023-03-01 Thread Joe
On Wed, 1 Mar 2023 13:33:32 -0500 Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Wed, Mar 01, 2023 at 06:12:09PM +, Brian wrote: > > On Wed 01 Mar 2023 at 17:43:41 +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > > [...] > > > > > In a pinch, you can "sudo apt-get clean", which purges the APT > > > package cache, which l

Re: solution to / full

2023-03-01 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Wed, Mar 01, 2023 at 07:53:19PM +0100, Nicolas George wrote: > Andy Smith (12023-03-01): > > > /dev/nvme0n1p2 23G 21G 966M 96% / > > > /dev/nvme0n1p6 267M 83M 166M 34% /boot > > > /dev/nvme0n1p1 511M 5.8M 506M 2% /boot/efi > > > /dev/nvme0n1p3 9.1G 3.2G 5.5G 37% /var

Re: solution to / full

2023-03-01 Thread Joe
On Wed, 1 Mar 2023 18:12:09 + Brian wrote: > On Wed 01 Mar 2023 at 17:43:41 +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > [...] > > > In a pinch, you can "sudo apt-get clean", which purges the APT > > package cache, which lives in /var. You didn't show us /var, > > which might be interesting too (/var

Re: solution to / full

2023-03-01 Thread Nicolas George
Andy Smith (12023-03-01): > > /dev/nvme0n1p2 23G 21G 966M 96% / > > /dev/nvme0n1p6 267M 83M 166M 34% /boot > > /dev/nvme0n1p1 511M 5.8M 506M 2% /boot/efi > > /dev/nvme0n1p3 9.1G 3.2G 5.5G 37% /var > > /dev/nvme0n1p5 1.8G 14M 1.7G 1% /tmp > > /dev/nvme0n1p7 630G 116G 482

Re: solution to / full

2023-03-01 Thread tomas
On Wed, Mar 01, 2023 at 06:12:09PM +, Brian wrote: > On Wed 01 Mar 2023 at 17:43:41 +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > [...] > > > In a pinch, you can "sudo apt-get clean", which purges the APT > > package cache, which lives in /var. You didn't show us /var, > > which might be interesting too

Re: solution to / full

2023-03-01 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Wed, Mar 01, 2023 at 06:12:09PM +, Brian wrote: > On Wed 01 Mar 2023 at 17:43:41 +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > [...] > > > In a pinch, you can "sudo apt-get clean", which purges the APT > > package cache, which lives in /var. You didn't show us /var, > > which might be interesting too

Re: solution to / full

2023-03-01 Thread Brian
On Wed 01 Mar 2023 at 17:43:41 +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: [...] > In a pinch, you can "sudo apt-get clean", which purges the APT > package cache, which lives in /var. You didn't show us /var, > which might be interesting too (/var/log, in case some logs > aren't rotated properly?) There shou

Re: solution to / full

2023-03-01 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Wed, Mar 01, 2023 at 02:35:17PM +0100, lina wrote: > My / is almost full. > > # df -h > Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on > udev126G 0 126G 0% /dev > tmpfs26G 2.3M 26G 1% /run > /dev/nvme0n1p2 23G 21G 966M 96% / > tmpfs 126

Re: solution to / full

2023-03-01 Thread The Wanderer
On 2023-03-01 at 09:15, Jochen Spieker wrote: > lina: > >> My / is almost full. >> >> # df -h >> Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on >> udev126G 0 126G 0% /dev >> tmpfs26G 2.3M 26G 1% /run >> /dev/nvme0n1p2 23G 21G 966M 96% / >> tmpfs

Re: solution to / full

2023-03-01 Thread tomas
On Wed, Mar 01, 2023 at 02:35:17PM +0100, lina wrote: > Hi, > > My / is almost full. > > # df -h > Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on > udev126G 0 126G 0% /dev > tmpfs26G 2.3M 26G 1% /run > /dev/nvme0n1p2 23G 21G 966M 96% / > tmpfs

Re: solution to / full

2023-03-01 Thread Klaus Singvogel
lina wrote: > Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on [...] > /dev/nvme0n1p2 23G 21G 966M 96% / > /dev/nvme0n1p3 9.1G 3.2G 5.5G 37% /var > /dev/nvme0n1p5 1.8G 14M 1.7G 1% /tmp > /dev/nvme0n1p7 630G 116G 482G 20% /home [...] > I have done some purging already. > :/usr#

Re: solution to / full

2023-03-01 Thread Jochen Spieker
lina: > > My / is almost full. > > # df -h > Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on > udev126G 0 126G 0% /dev > tmpfs26G 2.3M 26G 1% /run > /dev/nvme0n1p2 23G 21G 966M 96% / > tmpfs 126G 15M 126G 1% /dev/shm > tmpfs 5.0M

Re: [SOLUTION] Re: Bullseye: setting and using $DISPLAY after su -

2021-01-06 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Wed, Jan 06, 2021 at 10:20:00AM -0600, David Wright wrote: > User's DISPLAY not revealed > > After su DISPLAY=:0.0 > > (exit) > > User's DISPLAY not revealed > > After su - DISPLAY=:0 Well, that's pretty clear evidence that they're hard-coding the equivalent of "export DIS

Re: [SOLUTION] Re: Bullseye: setting and using $DISPLAY after su -

2021-01-06 Thread David Wright
On Wed 06 Jan 2021 at 07:35:08 (-0500), Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Tue, Jan 05, 2021 at 10:38:39PM -0600, David Wright wrote: > > But here on debian-user, I was really more interested in why the value > > of DISPLAY was apparently changed by one su and not the other (or > > perhaps by both). The exp

Re: [SOLUTION] Re: Bullseye: setting and using $DISPLAY after su -

2021-01-06 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Tue, Jan 05, 2021 at 10:38:39PM -0600, David Wright wrote: > But here on debian-user, I was really more interested in why the value > of DISPLAY was apparently changed by one su and not the other (or > perhaps by both). The explanation, "probably with an alias for su", > alias su="su -w DISPLAY"

Re: [SOLUTION] Re: Bullseye: setting and using $DISPLAY after su -

2021-01-05 Thread David Wright
On Mon 04 Jan 2021 at 07:32:44 (-0500), Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Fri, Jan 01, 2021 at 07:52:40PM +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 01, 2021 at 10:24:44AM -0700, Charles Curley wrote: > > > On Thu, 31 Dec 2020 22:30:34 -0600 David Wright wrote: > > > > > > > $ /bin/su - > > > > Pa

Re: [SOLUTION] Re: Bullseye: setting and using $DISPLAY after su -

2021-01-04 Thread tomas
On Mon, Jan 04, 2021 at 08:36:09AM -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Mon, Jan 04, 2021 at 07:48:03AM -0500, The Wanderer wrote: > > I parsed the preceding conversation as indicating that > > > > $ ln -sf /home/auser/.Xauthority /root/.Xauthority > > > > produced a setup that worked, but > > > > $

Re: [SOLUTION] Re: Bullseye: setting and using $DISPLAY after su -

2021-01-04 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Mon, Jan 04, 2021 at 07:48:03AM -0500, The Wanderer wrote: > I parsed the preceding conversation as indicating that > > $ ln -sf /home/auser/.Xauthority /root/.Xauthority > > produced a setup that worked, but > > $ cp /home/auser/.Xauthority /root/.Xauthority > > produced one that didn't. Th

Re: [SOLUTION] Re: Bullseye: setting and using $DISPLAY after su -

2021-01-04 Thread The Wanderer
On 2021-01-04 at 07:32, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Fri, Jan 01, 2021 at 07:52:40PM +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > >> On Fri, Jan 01, 2021 at 10:24:44AM -0700, Charles Curley wrote: >>> Bingo! That, rather than copying .Xauthority, gave me a fix. >> >> Huh? That is strange. I mean: great it wor

Re: [SOLUTION] Re: Bullseye: setting and using $DISPLAY after su -

2021-01-04 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Fri, Jan 01, 2021 at 07:52:40PM +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Fri, Jan 01, 2021 at 10:24:44AM -0700, Charles Curley wrote: > > On Thu, 31 Dec 2020 22:30:34 -0600 > > David Wright wrote: > > > > > $ /bin/su - > > > Password: > > > ahost ~# xeyes -display :0.0 > > > Xlib: connectio

Re: [SOLUTION] Re: Bullseye: setting and using $DISPLAY after su -

2021-01-01 Thread Charles Curley
On Fri, 1 Jan 2021 19:52:40 +0100 wrote: > > > ahost ~# ln -s ~auser/.Xauthority .Xauthority > > > > Bingo! That, rather than copying .Xauthority, gave me a fix. > > Huh? That is strange. I mean: great it worked for you, but I'd > like to learn what is going on there :-) I quite agree. S

Re: [SOLUTION] Re: Bullseye: setting and using $DISPLAY after su -

2021-01-01 Thread tomas
On Fri, Jan 01, 2021 at 10:24:44AM -0700, Charles Curley wrote: > On Thu, 31 Dec 2020 22:30:34 -0600 > David Wright wrote: > > > $ /bin/su - > > Password: > > ahost ~# xeyes -display :0.0 > > Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server > > Xlib: Client is not authorized to connect to S

Re: Solution to "pathetic email complaints"

2019-08-23 Thread elvis
On 22/8/19 3:25 am, Henning Follmann wrote: On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 07:43:26AM +1000, elvis wrote: No need to. I have a single question - do you use SpamAssassin or Rspamd? I installed postgrey, my spam went from maybe 10 a day (that were caught by spammassain) to maybe 1 or 2 a month.

Re: Solution to "pathetic email complaints"

2019-08-21 Thread Brian
On Wed 21 Aug 2019 at 22:23:20 +0100, Joe wrote: > On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 21:09:20 +0100 > Brian wrote: > > > On Wed 21 Aug 2019 at 20:33:12 +0100, Joe wrote: > > > > > On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 20:07:36 +0100 > > > Brian wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Ease up? Perhaps. > > > > > > > > The "in gener

Re: Solution to "pathetic email complaints"

2019-08-21 Thread Joe
On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 21:09:20 +0100 Brian wrote: > On Wed 21 Aug 2019 at 20:33:12 +0100, Joe wrote: > > > On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 20:07:36 +0100 > > Brian wrote: > > > > > > > > Ease up? Perhaps. > > > > > > The "in general" is interesting and informative. Suppose the USPS, > > > Royal Mail or

Re: Solution to "pathetic email complaints"

2019-08-21 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 21 aug 19, 20:07:36, Brian wrote: > On Wed 21 Aug 2019 at 13:19:32 -0400, Henning Follmann wrote: > > > > Please ease up! I do not advocate this in general and I made > > the limited use very clear. If a local plumber with 5 employees > > uses this just for his business no freedom of speech

Re: Solution to "pathetic email complaints"

2019-08-21 Thread Brian
On Wed 21 Aug 2019 at 20:33:12 +0100, Joe wrote: > On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 20:07:36 +0100 > Brian wrote: > > > > > Ease up? Perhaps. > > > > The "in general" is interesting and informative. Suppose the USPS, > > Royal Mail or Deutsche Post etc decided the point of origin or the > > destination for

Re: Solution to "pathetic email complaints"

2019-08-21 Thread mick crane
On 2019-08-21 20:07, Brian wrote: The epitomy of this is the discrimination against dynamic addresses. Want to be a mail second class citizen on the Net? Easy; don't have a static address. Want to be homeless and send or receive a letter - Royal Mail will not stop you. Email is a solution which

Re: Solution to "pathetic email complaints"

2019-08-21 Thread Joe
On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 20:07:36 +0100 Brian wrote: > > Ease up? Perhaps. > > The "in general" is interesting and informative. Suppose the USPS, > Royal Mail or Deutsche Post etc decided the point of origin or the > destination for a mail was a criterion in their delivery policy? What > a world we

Re: Solution to "pathetic email complaints"

2019-08-21 Thread Brian
On Wed 21 Aug 2019 at 13:19:32 -0400, Henning Follmann wrote: > On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 08:38:13PM +0100, Brian wrote: > > On Tue 20 Aug 2019 at 14:43:08 -0400, Henning Follmann wrote: > > > [...] > > > > > > In some cases I block complete regions (geoip blocking). This > > > obviously works onl

Re: Solution to "pathetic email complaints"

2019-08-21 Thread Joe
On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 12:51:35 -0400 rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > On Tuesday, August 20, 2019 02:44:22 PM Joe wrote: > > I would be. Every day I read an email from my server listing every > > sender's email address where my server has refused to accept the > > mail and which were sent to one of the t

Re: Solution to "pathetic email complaints"

2019-08-21 Thread Henning Follmann
On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 03:12:59PM -0400, Celejar wrote: > On Tue, 20 Aug 2019 12:58:05 -0400 > Henning Follmann wrote: > > ... > > > I also block constantcontact and mailchimp, because they are basically > > commercial spamming services and anyone can add anyone on any mailing list. > > See, t

Re: Solution to "pathetic email complaints"

2019-08-21 Thread Henning Follmann
On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 05:21:14PM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 10:46:11AM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 04:42:43PM +0200, Alessandro Vesely wrote: > > >On Tue 20/Aug/2019 19:26:23 +0200 Michael Stone wrote: > > >>>If you are not spamming people

Re: Solution to "pathetic email complaints"

2019-08-21 Thread Henning Follmann
On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 03:51:22PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: > On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 01:45:52PM -0400, Henning Follmann wrote: > > I was referring to "add your MTA for no good reason". > > That is vague and really not true. > > Why do you think that? Your ability to find out why a specific dom

Re: Solution to "pathetic email complaints"

2019-08-21 Thread Henning Follmann
On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 07:43:26AM +1000, elvis wrote: > > > No need to. I have a single question - do you use SpamAssassin or Rspamd? > > > > > > > I installed postgrey, my spam went from maybe 10 a day (that were caught by > spammassain) to maybe 1 or 2 a month. > postgrey has some severe

Re: Solution to "pathetic email complaints"

2019-08-21 Thread Henning Follmann
On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 08:38:13PM +0100, Brian wrote: > On Tue 20 Aug 2019 at 14:43:08 -0400, Henning Follmann wrote: > [...] > > > > In some cases I block complete regions (geoip blocking). This > > obviously works only for "local" mailservers. > > But if you business doesn't have international

Re: Solution to "pathetic email complaints"

2019-08-21 Thread rhkramer
On Tuesday, August 20, 2019 02:44:22 PM Joe wrote: > I would be. Every day I read an email from my server listing every > sender's email address where my server has refused to accept the mail > and which were sent to one of the three real names my server deals > with. So, is that from your own ema

Re: Solution to "pathetic email complaints"

2019-08-21 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 05:32:28PM +0200, Alessandro Vesely wrote: On Tue 20/Aug/2019 23:11:27 +0200 Michael Stone wrote: As an example, see https://www.spamhaus.org/dbl/ and "RHSBL" These lists are used for content inspection So you didn't look for what RHSBL means? The level of "my experie

Re: Solution to "pathetic email complaints"

2019-08-21 Thread Alessandro Vesely
On Tue 20/Aug/2019 23:11:27 +0200 Michael Stone wrote: > On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 11:10:08PM +0300, Reco wrote: >> On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 03:45:31PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: >>> On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 08:39:43PM +0300, Reco wrote: Unless a blacklist adds victims by AS number, a change of M

Re: Solution to "pathetic email complaints"

2019-08-21 Thread tomas
On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 10:46:11AM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: > On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 04:42:43PM +0200, Alessandro Vesely wrote: > >On Tue 20/Aug/2019 19:26:23 +0200 Michael Stone wrote: > >>>If you are not spamming people you also will not end up on a blacklist. > >> > >>Well, actual real-world

Re: Solution to "pathetic email complaints"

2019-08-21 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 04:42:43PM +0200, Alessandro Vesely wrote: On Tue 20/Aug/2019 19:26:23 +0200 Michael Stone wrote: If you are not spamming people you also will not end up on a blacklist. Well, actual real-world experience shows that to not be true. You should (noisily) bring out that

Re: Solution to "pathetic email complaints"

2019-08-21 Thread Alessandro Vesely
On Tue 20/Aug/2019 19:26:23 +0200 Michael Stone wrote: >> If you are not spamming people you also will not end up on a blacklist. > > Well, actual real-world experience shows that to not be true. You should (noisily) bring out that case! Blacklists have to balance between reliability and comple

Re: Solution to "pathetic email complaints"

2019-08-20 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 07:43:26AM +1000, elvis wrote: I installed postgrey, my spam went from maybe 10 a day (that were caught by spammassain) to maybe 1 or 2 a month. Very little of my spam was blocked by postgrey, but it did break some legitimate messages from providers not big enough to l

Re: Solution to "pathetic email complaints"

2019-08-20 Thread elvis
No need to. I have a single question - do you use SpamAssassin or Rspamd? I installed postgrey, my spam went from maybe 10 a day (that were caught by spammassain) to maybe 1 or 2 a month. -- Money not found. (A)pply for Bankruptcy, (R)efinance, (F)lee?

Re: Solution to "pathetic email complaints"

2019-08-20 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 11:10:08PM +0300, Reco wrote: On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 03:45:31PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 08:39:43PM +0300, Reco wrote: > On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 01:22:27PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 07:14:01PM +0300, Reco wrote: >

Re: Solution to "pathetic email complaints"

2019-08-20 Thread Reco
On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 03:45:31PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: > On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 08:39:43PM +0300, Reco wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 01:22:27PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: > > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 07:14:01PM +0300, Reco wrote: > > > > So it boils down to "MTA needs care on a regu

Re: Solution to "pathetic email complaints"

2019-08-20 Thread Brian
On Tue 20 Aug 2019 at 15:29:41 -0400, Celejar wrote: > On Tue, 20 Aug 2019 19:29:54 +0100 > Brian wrote: > > ... > > > The existence of an Internet swamped with spam has led to spam fighters > > policing it and users demanding a means not to receive it. Between the > > two, sending email direct

Re: Solution to "pathetic email complaints"

2019-08-20 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 01:45:52PM -0400, Henning Follmann wrote: I was referring to "add your MTA for no good reason". That is vague and really not true. Why do you think that? Your ability to find out why a specific domain got on a blacklist is pretty close to zero. You may be able to look a

Re: Solution to "pathetic email complaints"

2019-08-20 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 08:39:43PM +0300, Reco wrote: On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 01:22:27PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 07:14:01PM +0300, Reco wrote: > So it boils down to "MTA needs care on a regular basis" and "some > blacklist can add your MTA for no good reason". First o

Re: Solution to "pathetic email complaints"

2019-08-20 Thread Brian
On Tue 20 Aug 2019 at 14:43:08 -0400, Henning Follmann wrote: > On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 09:16:58PM +0300, Reco wrote: > [...] > > > I could go on. > > > > No need to. I have a single question - do you use SpamAssassin or Rspamd? > > > > > In most cases I use spamassassin. > However my main defen

Re: Solution to "pathetic email complaints"

2019-08-20 Thread Celejar
On Tue, 20 Aug 2019 19:29:54 +0100 Brian wrote: ... > The existence of an Internet swamped with spam has led to spam fighters > policing it and users demanding a means not to receive it. Between the > two, sending email directly has become more and more difficult. Spam > hasn't disappeared or be

Re: Solution to "pathetic email complaints"

2019-08-20 Thread Celejar
On Tue, 20 Aug 2019 12:58:05 -0400 Henning Follmann wrote: ... > I also block constantcontact and mailchimp, because they are basically > commercial spamming services and anyone can add anyone on any mailing list. See, this just illustrates the problem with aggresive blocking. Those policies ma

Re: Solution to "pathetic email complaints"

2019-08-20 Thread Dan Clery
An eye opener for me was when my site got blacklisted as a spammer because I was sending bounce messages for every email I refused to accept (due to spam). False positives happen more often then you'd think when you're receiving legitimate emails in English, from international non-native speakers,

Re: Solution to "pathetic email complaints"

2019-08-20 Thread Joe
On Tue, 20 Aug 2019 11:24:42 -0400 Michael Stone wrote: > Heck, there are even debian > contributors whose personal email domains bounce emails from other > debian contributors. Who knows if they're even aware of that? > I would be. Every day I read an email from my server listing every sende

Re: Solution to "pathetic email complaints"

2019-08-20 Thread Henning Follmann
On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 09:16:58PM +0300, Reco wrote: [...] > > I could go on. > > No need to. I have a single question - do you use SpamAssassin or Rspamd? > > In most cases I use spamassassin. However my main defense line is spamhaus and spamcop. On spamcop I use also their service to submit co

Re: Solution to "pathetic email complaints"

2019-08-20 Thread Brian
On Tue 20 Aug 2019 at 11:24:42 -0400, Michael Stone wrote: > On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 05:57:40PM +0300, Reco wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 10:48:44AM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: > > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 07:31:57AM -0400, Henning Follmann wrote: > > > > If you setup your DNS properly creat

Re: Solution to "pathetic email complaints"

2019-08-20 Thread Reco
On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 01:45:52PM -0400, Henning Follmann wrote: > On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 08:22:23PM +0300, Reco wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 12:58:05PM -0400, Henning Follmann wrote: > > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 07:14:01PM +0300, Reco wrote: > > > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 11:24:42AM -040

Re: Solution to "pathetic email complaints"

2019-08-20 Thread Henning Follmann
On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 08:22:23PM +0300, Reco wrote: > On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 12:58:05PM -0400, Henning Follmann wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 07:14:01PM +0300, Reco wrote: > > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 11:24:42AM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: > > > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 05:57:40PM +0300,

Re: Solution to "pathetic email complaints"

2019-08-20 Thread Reco
On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 01:22:27PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: > On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 07:14:01PM +0300, Reco wrote: > > So it boils down to "MTA needs care on a regular basis" and "some > > blacklist can add your MTA for no good reason". First one is universal > > (applies to any Internet-facing

Re: Solution to "pathetic email complaints"

2019-08-20 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 12:58:05PM -0400, Henning Follmann wrote: On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 11:24:42AM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: > Heck, there are even debian > contributors whose personal email domains bounce emails from other > debian contributors. Who knows if they're even aware of that? Ar

Re: Solution to "pathetic email complaints"

2019-08-20 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 07:14:01PM +0300, Reco wrote: So it boils down to "MTA needs care on a regular basis" and "some blacklist can add your MTA for no good reason". First one is universal (applies to any Internet-facing service), second one can be beat with a creative use of hosting. Also, htt

Re: Solution to "pathetic email complaints"

2019-08-20 Thread Reco
On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 12:58:05PM -0400, Henning Follmann wrote: > On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 07:14:01PM +0300, Reco wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 11:24:42AM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: > > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 05:57:40PM +0300, Reco wrote: > > > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 10:48:44AM -0400,

Re: Solution to "pathetic email complaints"

2019-08-20 Thread Henning Follmann
On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 07:14:01PM +0300, Reco wrote: > On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 11:24:42AM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 05:57:40PM +0300, Reco wrote: > > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 10:48:44AM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: > > > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 07:31:57AM -0400, Hen

Re: Solution to "pathetic email complaints"

2019-08-20 Thread Reco
On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 11:24:42AM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: > On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 05:57:40PM +0300, Reco wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 10:48:44AM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: > > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 07:31:57AM -0400, Henning Follmann wrote: > > > > If you setup your DNS properly cr

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