Re: Emacs - was Re: Mail/news software

2000-05-13 Thread Pat Mahoney
On Sat, May 06, 2000 at 11:36:57PM +0200, Viktor Rosenfeld wrote: > Pat Mahoney wrote: > > > > > So I offered her to install GNU/Linux on her machine and set it up for > > > every tasks she wants to do. > > > > Can I ask why you want her to run GNU/Linux? (I mean, not that I don't want > > her ru

Re: Emacs - was Re: Mail/news software

2000-05-10 Thread Oki DZ
On Thu, 4 May 2000, James Ravan wrote: > Based on my experience with Debian Linux to date, I also take a simplistic > view. Windows has worked with all the hardware changes I have made to my > machine since I bought it this past January. Linux can be simple too... try to move a harddisk betwe

Re: Re[2]: Emacs - was Re: Mail/news software

2000-05-07 Thread Andrej Marjan
> "Steve" == Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Steve> Then why keep bringing it up? I just find it amusing Steve> that the selling point of a unix-like system is that it is Steve> modular and flexible so the first thing most people point Steve> to is a Microsoft-esque

Re: Emacs - was Re: Mail/news software

2000-05-06 Thread Viktor Rosenfeld
Pat Mahoney wrote: > > > So I offered her to install GNU/Linux on her machine and set it up for > > every tasks she wants to do. > > Can I ask why you want her to run GNU/Linux? (I mean, not that I don't want > her running it...) Well to quote you: I'd rather see everyone running free software.

Re: Emacs - was Re: Mail/news software [further OT]

2000-05-05 Thread Keith G. Murphy
James Ravan wrote: > > At 12:31 PM 5/4/00 +0800, Corey Popelier wrote: > >I take an extremely simplistic view. I'd use Windows more if it didn't > >crash 20 times a day. That's why I use Linux. Simple. > > Based on my experience with Debian Linux to date, I also take a simplistic > view. Windows

Re: Emacs - was Re: Mail/news software

2000-05-05 Thread Richard Taylor
Brian May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote regarding Re: Emacs - was Re: Mail/news software: > >>>>> "Richard" == Richard Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Richard> Win hasn't required an autoexec.bat since '95. -- My > Richard>

Re: Emacs - was Re: Mail/news software

2000-05-05 Thread James Ravan
At 12:31 PM 5/4/00 +0800, Corey Popelier wrote: I take an extremely simplistic view. I'd use Windows more if it didn't crash 20 times a day. That's why I use Linux. Simple. Based on my experience with Debian Linux to date, I also take a simplistic view. Windows has worked with all the hardware

Re: Emacs - was Re: Mail/news software

2000-05-05 Thread Brian May
> "Richard" == Richard Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Richard> Win hasn't required an autoexec.bat since '95. -- My Richard> other computer's running Debian. {www.debian.org} I think you need it in order to setup the environment (compilers seem to require this) and/or load doske

Re: Emacs - was Re: Mail/news software

2000-05-04 Thread Lehel Bernadt
On Thu, 04 May 2000, Brian May wrote: > For me, the problem with Windows is you have to think when thinking > should not be required. Take for instance, autoexec.bat. > > I know a Windows computer, that whenever it starts, it flashes up > with the message "Bad command or filename" for a few second

Re: Emacs - was Re: Mail/news software

2000-05-04 Thread Richard Taylor
Brian May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote > > "Pat" == Pat Mahoney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Pat> For me, Linux makes me think. For others, windows may make > Pat> them think. For still others, something else (not computer > Pat> related) may make them think. If linux makes you think

Re: Re[2]: Emacs - was Re: Mail/news software

2000-05-04 Thread Daniel Reuter
Hello all there, On Wed, 3 May 2000, Steve Lamb wrote: > For me it isn't a GUI/CLI mindset it is simply the ability to do what > needs to be done. Windows doesn't let me do that in most cases. The standard > 'nix utilities provide a lot of automation for mundane tasks. I've been following

Re: Emacs - was Re: Mail/news software

2000-05-04 Thread Corey Popelier
I take an extremely simplistic view. I'd use Windows more if it didn't crash 20 times a day. That's why I use Linux. Simple. Cheers, Corey Popelier http://members.dingoblue.net.au/~pancreas Work Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 4 May 2000, Brian May wrote: > > "Pat" == Pat Mahoney <[EMAIL PROT

Re: Emacs - was Re: Mail/news software

2000-05-04 Thread Brian May
> "Pat" == Pat Mahoney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Pat> For me, Linux makes me think. For others, windows may make Pat> them think. For still others, something else (not computer Pat> related) may make them think. If linux makes you think, Pat> good. If windows makes you think,

Re: Emacs - was Re: Mail/news software

2000-05-04 Thread Pat Mahoney
Let me reply to myself here. This kinda came off wrong. On Mon, May 01, 2000 at 10:15:37PM -0500, Pat Mahoney wrote: > Linux[1] is much more difficult (to learn anyway) yet much more powerful than, > say, windows. The Windows philosophy is: "don't think, everything should be > easy." With linux, y

Re[2]: Emacs - was Re: Mail/news software

2000-05-03 Thread Steve Lamb
Tuesday, May 02, 2000, 9:10:53 PM, Pat wrote: > important and I don't see Windows 9x or NT giving this, although I have zero > experience with NT. But I do know that to kill a runaway process in Win95 > you have to Ctrl-Alt-Delete, wait for the little window to pop up (forgot > what it's called), a

Re: Emacs - was Re: Mail/news software

2000-05-03 Thread Pat Mahoney
On Mon, May 01, 2000 at 09:17:30PM -0700, Eric G . Miller wrote: > I feel compelled to respond... > > On Mon, May 01, 2000 at 10:15:37PM -0500, Pat Mahoney wrote: > > Linux[1] is much more difficult (to learn anyway) yet much more > > powerful than, say, windows. The Windows philosophy is: "don't

Re: Emacs - was Re: Mail/news software

2000-05-02 Thread montefin
May I suggest that only people like myself, who have faced this dilemma in extremis, be allowed to add to this thread. Having used and valued both Vi and Emacs, I truly had my 'Faith' put to the test, when I had to chose between them while installing Debian on a box with only 814Mb HDD space. It

Re: Emacs - was Re: Mail/news software

2000-05-02 Thread Richard Taylor

Re: Emacs - was Re: Mail/news software

2000-05-02 Thread Chris Gray
On Tue, May 02, 2000 at 10:19:00AM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: > Monday, May 01, 2000, 10:55:47 PM, Richard wrote: > > I've had several debates featuring this very subject. > > Some very long and drawn out and heated. > > Then why keep bringing it up? I just find it amusing that the selling > po

Re[2]: Emacs - was Re: Mail/news software

2000-05-02 Thread Steve Lamb
Monday, May 01, 2000, 10:55:47 PM, Richard wrote: > I've had several debates featuring this very subject. > Some very long and drawn out and heated. Then why keep bringing it up? I just find it amusing that the selling point of a unix-like system is that it is modular and flexible so the firs

Re: Emacs - was Re: Mail/news software

2000-05-02 Thread Viktor Rosenfeld
Pat Mahoney wrote: > Linux[1] is much more difficult (to learn anyway) yet much more powerful than, > say, windows. The Windows philosophy is: "don't think, everything should be > easy." With linux, you must think. The windows philosophy seems to rub off > onto the rest of one's life (or maybe it'

Re: Re[2]: Emacs - was Re: Mail/news software

2000-05-02 Thread Graeme Mathieson
Hi, "Richard Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Graeme Mathieson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote regarding Re: Re[2]: > Emacs > > > Has anybody ever tried to graft emacs directly on top of oskit? > > _Then_ you would have your operating system. :) > > It would be a great OS period. Perfect fo

Re: Emacs - was Re: Mail/news software

2000-05-02 Thread Richard Taylor
Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote > Monday, May 01, 2000, 11:59:24 AM, Richard wrote: > > Emacs is far more useful than that... It's still the best > > mailer/newsreader/text based office program in existence. > That is highly debated, esp. for people who prefer not to have huge I've

Re: Re[2]: Emacs - was Re: Mail/news software

2000-05-02 Thread Richard Taylor
Graeme Mathieson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote regarding Re: Re[2]: Emacs > Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > [ snipped ... ] > > Simply stated, anything which requires Emacs to run > > is instantly lower than something that requires Windows to run because at > > least it /IS/ an OS and not a

Re: Emacs - was Re: Mail/news software

2000-05-02 Thread Eric G . Miller
I feel compelled to respond... On Mon, May 01, 2000 at 10:15:37PM -0500, Pat Mahoney wrote: > Linux[1] is much more difficult (to learn anyway) yet much more > powerful than, say, windows. The Windows philosophy is: "don't think, > everything should be easy." With linux, you must think. The window

Re: Emacs - was Re: Mail/news software

2000-05-02 Thread Pat Mahoney
Linux[1] is much more difficult (to learn anyway) yet much more powerful than, say, windows. The Windows philosophy is: "don't think, everything should be easy." With linux, you must think. The windows philosophy seems to rub off onto the rest of one's life (or maybe it's the other way around). Som

Re: Re[2]: Emacs - was Re: Mail/news software

2000-05-01 Thread Graeme Mathieson
Hi, Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [ snipped ... ] > Simply stated, anything which requires Emacs to run > is instantly lower than something that requires Windows to run because at > least it /IS/ an OS and not an editor that is a wannabe script interpreter > and OS rolled into one. Has

Re[2]: Emacs - was Re: Mail/news software

2000-05-01 Thread Steve Lamb
Monday, May 01, 2000, 11:59:24 AM, Richard wrote: > Emacs is far more useful than that... It's still the best > mailer/newsreader/text based office program in existence. That is highly debated, esp. for people who prefer not to have huge bloated pigs in memory, don't want to learn a speech i

Re: Emacs - was Re: Mail/news software

2000-05-01 Thread Richard Taylor
"Kovacs Istvan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote (snip) > Emacs, vi, development tools are fine for developers (I also decided to > learn Emacs and vi -- not at the wizard level, but to be able to use > them when needed), and it's reasonable not to expect the masses to use > them, but it's not the same c

Re: Emacs - was Re: Mail/news software

2000-05-01 Thread Kovacs Istvan
On Sun, 30 Apr 2000 19:35:31 -0400, Rob Lilley wrote: >Different Strokes for different folks. > >Emacs - "Show a newbie that and you will see the dust as he turns >and runs back to the Windows camp" . Emacs and Linux/Unix >for that matter is not for everybody - its there because of and >for the

Emacs - was Re: Mail/news software

2000-04-30 Thread Rob Lilley
Different Strokes for different folks. Emacs - "Show a newbie that and you will see the dust as he turns and runs back to the Windows camp" . Emacs and Linux/Unix for that matter is not for everybody - its there because of and for the growing few that want to learn to swim upstream against the c