Re: 512e vs 4K sector confusion

2024-01-20 Thread Andy Smith
On Sun, Jan 14, 2024 at 08:01:52AM +, Andy Smith wrote: > Now, after the disk_image has arrived, it looks very odd. fdisk > thinks it is 8 times bigger than it really is, and thinks it has 4K > sectors. I can't use "kpartx" to get at the partition inside it, and > fsck.ext4 doesn't like its fir

Re: 512e vs 4K sector confusion

2024-01-16 Thread Andy Smith
Hi Stefan, On Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 05:31:37AM +, Andy Smith wrote: > On Sun, Jan 14, 2024 at 11:32:37PM -0500, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > What happens if you use diskimages that contain directly a filesystem > > without going through the trouble of using a partition table? > > Does `ext4` also

Re: 512e vs 4K sector confusion

2024-01-16 Thread Teemu Likonen
* 2024-01-15 15:20:51-0600, Nicholas Geovanis wrote: > In your dd commands that moved these filesystems, did you specify ibs= > and/or obs= > ? > If so, what values did you use? "dd" is not a special tool for accessing device files. It's a simple file copy tool: like "cat" or "cp" but with differ

Re: 512e vs 4K sector confusion

2024-01-15 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 03:20:51PM -0600, Nicholas Geovanis wrote: > In your dd commands that moved these filesystems, did you specify ibs= > and/or obs= No. I don't see how that would make any difference. I could as well have used "cat|ssh" instead of "dd|ssh". Also note that the image fi

Re: 512e vs 4K sector confusion

2024-01-15 Thread Nicolas George
Nicholas Geovanis (12024-01-15): > In your dd commands that moved these filesystems, did you specify ibs= > and/or obs= > ? > If so, what values did you use? Why do you ask this information? How do you think it will be useful? -- Nicolas George signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: 512e vs 4K sector confusion

2024-01-15 Thread Nicholas Geovanis
On Mon, Jan 15, 2024, 4:58 AM Andy Smith wrote: > On Sun, Jan 14, 2024 at 11:32:37PM -0500, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > > What happens if you use diskimages that contain directly a filesystem > > without going through the trouble of using a partition table? > > Does `ext4` also get tripped by the d

Re: 512e vs 4K sector confusion

2024-01-14 Thread Andy Smith
Hi Stefan, On Sun, Jan 14, 2024 at 11:32:37PM -0500, Stefan Monnier wrote: > Do you need a partition table? These are other people's virtual machines so to some extent I don't have a say on what they put inside them. It is always nice to understand what is going on though! > What happens if you

Re: 512e vs 4K sector confusion

2024-01-14 Thread Stefan Monnier
> Now, after the disk_image has arrived, it looks very odd. fdisk > thinks it is 8 times bigger than it really is, and thinks it has 4K > sectors. I can't use "kpartx" to get at the partition inside it, and > fsck.ext4 doesn't like its first partition at all. Thanks for this experiment. I was luc

Re: 512e vs 4K sector confusion

2024-01-14 Thread Timothy M Butterworth
On Sun, Jan 14, 2024 at 9:37 AM Andy Smith wrote: > Hi, > > I've got a disk image that sits on top of an LVM logical volume > that is on top of an mdadm RAID-1 that is on top of a pair of: > > Device Model: Samsung SSD 870 EVO 4TB > Sector Size: 512 bytes logical/physical > > so let';s s

Re: 512e vs 4K sector confusion

2024-01-14 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Andy Smith wrote: > what I meant was that fdisk showed a single partition of > 3.2TB size, while the entire disk being only the 400G Then it's what i would expect from fdisk. > I did try using fdisk on the destination to delete the partition and > recreate it with the correct numbers, but t

Re: 512e vs 4K sector confusion

2024-01-14 Thread Andy Smith
Hi Thomas, On Sun, Jan 14, 2024 at 02:33:37PM +0100, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > I wonder, though, why fdisk would misrepresent the total disk size, > which i would expect to come from the storage device. > Maybe fdisk is more confused than i expect. > > Can you show the whole output of fdisk from th

Re: 512e vs 4K sector confusion

2024-01-14 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Andy Smith wrote: > I've got a disk image that sits on top of an LVM logical volume > that is on top of an mdadm RAID-1 that is on top of a pair of: > Device Model: Samsung SSD 870 EVO 4TB > Sector Size: 512 bytes logical/physical > so let';s say that is at /dev/foo/disk_image (where

Re: 512e vs 4K sector confusion

2024-01-14 Thread Arno Lehmann
Hi andy, Am 14.01.2024 um 09:15 schrieb Andy Smith: On Sun, Jan 14, 2024 at 08:01:52AM +, Andy Smith wrote: If necessary and if there is a way, I *can* nuke off the target machine's "foo" volume group and recreate the RAID array if I have to make it 512e format. But obviously I'd like some

Re: 512e vs 4K sector confusion

2024-01-14 Thread Alexander V. Makartsev
On 14.01.2024 13:15, Andy Smith wrote: On Sun, Jan 14, 2024 at 08:01:52AM +, Andy Smith wrote: If necessary and if there is a way, I *can* nuke off the target machine's "foo" volume group and recreate the RAID array if I have to make it 512e format. But obviously I'd like some way to move th

Re: 512e vs 4K sector confusion

2024-01-14 Thread Andy Smith
On Sun, Jan 14, 2024 at 08:01:52AM +, Andy Smith wrote: > If necessary and if there is a way, I *can* nuke off the target > machine's "foo" volume group and recreate the RAID array if I have > to make it 512e format. But obviously I'd like some way to move this > disk image and have it still wo

512e vs 4K sector confusion

2024-01-14 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, I've got a disk image that sits on top of an LVM logical volume that is on top of an mdadm RAID-1 that is on top of a pair of: Device Model: Samsung SSD 870 EVO 4TB Sector Size: 512 bytes logical/physical so let';s say that is at /dev/foo/disk_image (where /dev/foo is the name of th

Re: LTS versions - confusion

2021-09-15 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 15 sep 21, 09:54:29, John Hasler wrote: > The Wanderer writes: > > In theory you could, but in practice it would break well before that. > > I run Sid on my desktop. It's been years since I've had any breakage. > I suspect that it's because I run FVWM, avoid anything connected with > freed

Re: LTS versions - confusion

2021-09-15 Thread Tanstaafl
On 9/15/2021 6:45 AM, Brian wrote > I was also rather hoping Tanstaafl would contribute a few words on how > the unstable model contrasts with Gentoo's rolling release model. Well, it's been many years, but basically, you could select what 'branch' you were on using keywords (stable, testing, etc)

Re: LTS versions - confusion

2021-09-15 Thread John Hasler
The Wanderer writes: > In theory you could, but in practice it would break well before that. I run Sid on my desktop. It's been years since I've had any breakage. I suspect that it's because I run FVWM, avoid anything connected with freedesktop.org or Gnome, and am careful about when to upgrade.

Re: LTS versions - confusion

2021-09-15 Thread Curt
On 2021-09-14, Brian wrote: >> >> Hmmm... ok, so, I could run sid 'forever', as long as I keep it updated >> regularly? > > Why not? Update when you want to. How does this differ from Gentoo's > rolling release aspect? Go for testing if you want to be a little > conservative? > >> Anyone do thi

Re: LTS versions - confusion

2021-09-15 Thread The Wanderer
On 2021-09-15 at 06:45, Brian wrote: > On Tue 14 Sep 2021 at 22:42:12 -0400, The Wanderer wrote: > >> On 2021-09-14 at 16:33, Tanstaafl wrote: >>> Hmmm... ok, so, I could run sid 'forever', as long as I keep it >>> updated regularly? >> >> In theory you could, but in practice it would break we

Re: LTS versions - confusion

2021-09-15 Thread Brian
On Tue 14 Sep 2021 at 22:42:12 -0400, The Wanderer wrote: > On 2021-09-14 at 16:33, Tanstaafl wrote: > > > On 9/13/2021 11:02 AM, Brian wrote > > > >> On Mon 13 Sep 2021 at 10:18:54 -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: > >> > >>> Hello, > >>> > >>> So, I'm considering Debian for a new homebrew MX gateway I

Re: LTS versions - confusion

2021-09-15 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Wed, Sep 15, 2021 at 10:06:47AM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Ma, 14 sep 21, 16:33:55, Tanstaafl wrote: > > > > Hmmm... ok, so, I could run sid 'forever', as long as I keep it updated > > regularly? > > Technically, yes. > > > Anyone do this for important (maybe not 'mission critical') s

Re: LTS versions - confusion

2021-09-15 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Ma, 14 sep 21, 16:33:55, Tanstaafl wrote: > > Hmmm... ok, so, I could run sid 'forever', as long as I keep it updated > regularly? Technically, yes. > Anyone do this for important (maybe not 'mission critical') servers? I used to run sid as the main system on my daily driver laptop. Having

Re: LTS versions - confusion

2021-09-14 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Ma, 14 sep 21, 23:18:48, Brian wrote: > On Tue 14 Sep 2021 at 16:33:55 -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: > > > > Hmmm... ok, so, I could run sid 'forever', as long as I keep it updated > > regularly? > > Why not? Update when you want to. How does this differ from Gentoo's > rolling release aspect? Go fo

Re: LTS versions - confusion

2021-09-14 Thread tomas
On Tue, Sep 14, 2021 at 04:33:55PM -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: > On 9/13/2021 11:02 AM, Brian wrote > > On Mon 13 Sep 2021 at 10:18:54 -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: > > > >> Hello, > >> > >> So, I'm considering Debian for a new homebrew MX gateway I want to set > >> up, but it depends... > >> > >> I'm a form

Re: LTS versions - confusion

2021-09-14 Thread The Wanderer
On 2021-09-14 at 16:33, Tanstaafl wrote: > On 9/13/2021 11:02 AM, Brian wrote > >> On Mon 13 Sep 2021 at 10:18:54 -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> So, I'm considering Debian for a new homebrew MX gateway I want >>> to set up, but it depends... >>> >>> I'm a former Gentoo user, and

Re: LTS versions - confusion

2021-09-14 Thread Brian
On Tue 14 Sep 2021 at 16:33:55 -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: > On 9/13/2021 11:02 AM, Brian wrote > > On Mon 13 Sep 2021 at 10:18:54 -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: > > > >> Hello, > >> > >> So, I'm considering Debian for a new homebrew MX gateway I want to set > >> up, but it depends... > >> > >> I'm a former

Re: LTS versions - confusion

2021-09-14 Thread deloptes
Greg Wooledge wrote: >> Anyone do this for important (maybe not 'mission critical') servers? > > I'm sure someone does, but it's not *wise*. yes indeed. server + sid is contradicting somehow unless you do development of server software -- FCD6 3719 0FFB F1BF 38EA 4727 5348 5F1F DCFE BCB0

Re: LTS versions - confusion

2021-09-14 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Tue, Sep 14, 2021 at 04:33:55PM -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: > Hmmm... ok, so, I could run sid 'forever', as long as I keep it updated > regularly? > > Anyone do this for important (maybe not 'mission critical') servers? I'm sure someone does, but it's not *wise*.

Re: LTS versions - confusion

2021-09-14 Thread Tanstaafl
On 9/13/2021 11:02 AM, Brian wrote > On Mon 13 Sep 2021 at 10:18:54 -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> So, I'm considering Debian for a new homebrew MX gateway I want to set >> up, but it depends... >> >> I'm a former Gentoo user, and really appreciated the rolling release >> aspect, since i

Re: LTS versions - confusion

2021-09-14 Thread l0f4r0
Hi, 14 sept. 2021, 16:35 de amaca...@einval.com: > Debian 11 - Bullseye - released on 14th July 2021 will have [at least] five > years > support as stable/oldstable. > > Three years between releases > ~ two years ;) > plus a year after the next release plus usually > two years LTS support after

Re: LTS versions - confusion

2021-09-14 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Tue, Sep 14, 2021 at 02:33:23AM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Lu, 13 sep 21, 10:18:54, Tanstaafl wrote: > > > > I'm a former Gentoo user, and really appreciated the rolling release > > aspect, since it meant no huge jumps between LTS releases with other > > distros. > Debian 11 - Bullseye

Re: LTS versions - confusion

2021-09-13 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 13 sep 21, 10:18:54, Tanstaafl wrote: > > I'm a former Gentoo user, and really appreciated the rolling release > aspect, since it meant no huge jumps between LTS releases with other > distros. You already received good answers for your questions, so I'll just add that one of Debian's stre

Re: LTS versions - confusion

2021-09-13 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Mon, Sep 13, 2021 at 10:58:26AM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > 6) After that year, the release goes into "long-term support" mode, and >received security bug fix support from a different team. The LTS >team may choose to support only server packages, not desktop packages. > A slight

Re: LTS versions - confusion

2021-09-13 Thread Brian
On Mon 13 Sep 2021 at 10:18:54 -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: > Hello, > > So, I'm considering Debian for a new homebrew MX gateway I want to set > up, but it depends... > > I'm a former Gentoo user, and really appreciated the rolling release > aspect, since it meant no huge jumps between LTS releases

Re: LTS versions - confusion

2021-09-13 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Mon, Sep 13, 2021 at 10:18:54AM -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: > I'm a former Gentoo user, and really appreciated the rolling release > aspect, since it meant no huge jumps between LTS releases with other > distros. > > So... what is the current LTS version and when is its EOL, and when will > the nex

Re: LTS versions - confusion

2021-09-13 Thread IL Ka
> > So... what is the current LTS version and when is its EOL, and when will > the next one be released, and what will be its EOL? > In Debian world "stable" version created every several years, so you can move from one stable to another. Here is info about current versions https://wiki.debian.or

LTS versions - confusion

2021-09-13 Thread Tanstaafl
Hello, So, I'm considering Debian for a new homebrew MX gateway I want to set up, but it depends... I'm a former Gentoo user, and really appreciated the rolling release aspect, since it meant no huge jumps between LTS releases with other distros. So... what is the current LTS version and when is

Re: Soft link confusion

2021-08-31 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 30 aug 21, 07:47:13, Gary L. Roach wrote: > Thank you all for the help. Edwardo's mnemonic is a great help. So is the > rest of the information. As to the BackupPC configuration change. While it > is possible to redirect the backup in the config file, it is specifically > not recommended. No

Re: Soft link confusion

2021-08-30 Thread Gary L. Roach
ory out from underneath backuppc (which could lead to confusion and disaster in the future when you have forgotten about the symlink), can you change a backuppc configuration setting so that the backups are put where you want them? David

Re: Soft link confusion

2021-08-30 Thread Tixy
On Mon, 2021-08-30 at 10:18 -0300, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote: > On 29/08/2021 21:10, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > The syntax is: ln -s TARGET LINKNAME > > > > I.e. you specify the existing thing first, and the name of the link that > > you want to create last. > > If you need a mnemonic, this is ju

Re: Soft link confusion

2021-08-30 Thread Eduardo M KALINOWSKI
On 29/08/2021 21:10, Greg Wooledge wrote: The syntax is: ln -s TARGET LINKNAME I.e. you specify the existing thing first, and the name of the link that you want to create last. If you need a mnemonic, this is just like cp. $ cp ORIGINAL NEW creates NEW as a copy from ORIGINAL. Similarly, $

Re: Soft link confusion

2021-08-29 Thread David Christensen
l directories appear on both drives. This is obviously not what I want. I need the pool files on the Backup disk and not on my system disk. What have I done wrong. Sincerely appreciated any help. Gary R Rather than trying to symlink the backup repository directory out from underneath backuppc (w

Re: Soft link confusion

2021-08-29 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Sun, Aug 29, 2021 at 04:59:35PM -0700, Gary L. Roach wrote: > I don't have occasion to use links very often and tend to get confused as to > which direction the link is pointing. Specifically, I am trying to redirect > backuppc files from the normal /var/lib/backuppc directory to another disk >

Soft link confusion

2021-08-29 Thread Gary L. Roach
Hi all, I don't have occasion to use links very often and tend to get confused as to which direction the link is pointing. Specifically, I am trying to redirect backuppc files from the normal /var/lib/backuppc directory to another disk mounted at /media/Backup, a 1TB disk that is not being us

Fwd: Confusion on how to do it.

2020-10-01 Thread Andrew Cater
This went only to John whereas I meant to send it to both John and the list. -- Forwarded message - From: Andrew Cater Date: Thu, Oct 1, 2020 at 4:57 PM Subject: Re: Confusion on how to do it. To: John Brumby Hi John, Everything in one would be 40 odd DVDs worth but you can

Re: Confusion on how to do it.

2020-10-01 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, John Brumby wrote: > Is there such a thing as a Full Debian Os ISO to be downloaded. Afaik, there is no single ISO which contains all packages. The usual advice is to download the first three DVD sized ISOs. In case of 64-bit x86 computers: https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd

Re: usb Confusion

2020-02-11 Thread Martin McCormick
drive came in. There is a small pocket in the tray containing a pamflet that one suddenly realizes is too deep to be just the booklet. Everything was there and I do believe that is the first usb-C cable I have ever encountered. Again, thanks for clearing up the confusion. Martin

Re: usb Confusion

2020-02-11 Thread Martin McCormick
Dan Ritter writes: > If I recall correctly, Martin doesn't see well, which explains a > chunk of the confusion here. Well, my wife has excellent vision and we were talking about how pictures can be almost worthless after a certain point. Several of those small connectors look

Re: usb Confusion

2020-02-11 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Ma, 11 feb 20, 09:47:50, Jude DaShiell wrote: > That sounds like a Micro usb port. If you have a connector like that > try inserting it very gently. If it doesn't go in easily, flip the > cable and try the other side. The regular Micro-B connector supports only USB 2.0. The USB 3.0 Micro-B c

Re: usb Confusion

2020-02-11 Thread Dan Ritter
gt; fortunately doesn't plug in but that's the size of whatever fits. > Crucial says it is usb-A . If I recall correctly, Martin doesn't see well, which explains a chunk of the confusion here. Martin: Crucial is probably describing the other end of the cable they supplied -- a

Re: usb Confusion

2020-02-11 Thread Jude DaShiell
ebian.org > Subject: Re: usb Confusion > Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2020 14:48:04 + (UTC) > Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org > > That sounds like a Micro usb port. If you have a connector like that > try inserting it very gently. If it doesn't go in easily, flip

Re: usb Confusion

2020-02-11 Thread Jude DaShiell
o: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: usb Confusion > Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2020 13:31:55 + (UTC) > Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org > > After recently ordering and receiving a new 1 TB external > SSD drive, I realized I had no way to connect it. It has a sma

Re: usb Confusion

2020-02-11 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Martin McCormick wrote: > After recently ordering and receiving a new 1 TB external > SSD drive, I realized I had no way to connect it. It has a small > rectangular slot about 8 MM or a quarter of an inch long. A Mac > lightning connector is almost exactly the same size but > fortunately does

Re: usb Confusion

2020-02-11 Thread Sarunas Burdulis
On 2/11/20 8:31 AM, Martin McCormick wrote: > After recently ordering and receiving a new 1 TB external > SSD drive, I realized I had no way to connect it. It has a small > rectangular slot about 8 MM or a quarter of an inch long. A Mac > lightning connector is almost exactly the same size

Re: usb Confusion

2020-02-11 Thread Felix Miata
Martin McCormick composed on 2020-02-11 07:31 (UTC-0600): > After recently ordering and receiving a new 1 TB external > SSD drive, I realized I had no way to connect it. It has a small > rectangular slot about 8 MM or a quarter of an inch long. A Mac > lightning connector is almost exactly

usb Confusion

2020-02-11 Thread Martin McCormick
After recently ordering and receiving a new 1 TB external SSD drive, I realized I had no way to connect it. It has a small rectangular slot about 8 MM or a quarter of an inch long. A Mac lightning connector is almost exactly the same size but fortunately doesn't plug in but that's the siz

Re: identity confusion

2020-02-03 Thread Wayne Sallee
 Original Message  *Subject: *  Re: identity confusion *From: * The Wanderer *To: * Debian-user *CC: * *Date: *  2020-1-24  01:19 PM I've just re-checked the raw message, and although I could have sworn I'd seen a plain-text version of the message in

Re: identity confusion

2020-02-03 Thread Tony van der Hoff
On 03/02/2020 15:11, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Mon, Feb 03, 2020 at 09:57:13AM -0500, Wayne Sallee wrote: [...] That's strange I thought I had it set for text for this list. But it wasn't. It's fixed now. Things happen. It is now. And I thank you very much :-) Cheers -- tomás Now all

Re: identity confusion

2020-02-03 Thread tomas
On Mon, Feb 03, 2020 at 09:57:13AM -0500, Wayne Sallee wrote: [...] > That's strange I thought I had it set for text for this list. But it wasn't. > It's fixed now. Things happen. It is now. And I thank you very much :-) Cheers -- tomás signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: identity confusion

2020-02-03 Thread Wayne Sallee
 Original Message  *Subject: *  Re: identity confusion *From: * Tomas *To: * Debian-user *CC: * *Date: *  2020-1-24  12:06 PM You're very welcome. One small request -- could you teach your mailer to not send HTML? I was hard-pressed to make heads or tai

Re: identity confusion

2020-01-25 Thread Curt
On 2020-01-24, Gene Heskett wrote: >> > >> > Gene's headers > > As sent.. User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 > Yeah, I managed to misread that somehow, and instead of a clarification, I might have achieved a mystification. Oops. -- "J'ai pour me guérir du jugement des autres toute la distance qui me sé

Re: identity confusion

2020-01-24 Thread deloptes
Gene Heskett wrote: > As sent.. User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 KMail 1.9.10 KNode 0.10.9 all from trinity. I use Kontact 1.2.9 and indeed the second post by Wayne Sallee was in HTML, but I click view HTML and it is nicely readable. Anyway - wanted to double check what exactly Gene was using as news

Re: identity confusion

2020-01-24 Thread Nicholas Geovanis
I hate to return to the original subject but.. ;-) Long ago and far away, your best sources of info on the real, effective, and plain-old UIDs was the man pages for setXuid (2). They describe the differing meanings and outcomes.

Re: identity confusion

2020-01-24 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 24 January 2020 15:56:52 Brian wrote: > On Fri 24 Jan 2020 at 20:50:41 -, Curt wrote: > > On 2020-01-24, Brian wrote: > > > On Fri 24 Jan 2020 at 20:36:19 +0100, deloptes wrote: > > >> Gene Heskett wrote: > > >> > I'll second that, its ugly stuff to try and read as text. In > > >> >

Re: identity confusion

2020-01-24 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 24 January 2020 13:13:02 David Wright wrote: > On Fri 24 Jan 2020 at 12:36:13 (-0500), The Wanderer wrote: > > On 2020-01-24 at 12:30, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > On Friday 24 January 2020 12:06:19 to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > >> On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 10:23:03AM -0500, Wayne Sallee wrote:

Re: identity confusion

2020-01-24 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 24 January 2020 12:36:13 The Wanderer wrote: > On 2020-01-24 at 12:30, Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Friday 24 January 2020 12:06:19 to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > >> On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 10:23:03AM -0500, Wayne Sallee wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> > >> [...] > >> > >> > Thanks for the id

Re: identity confusion

2020-01-24 Thread Brian
On Fri 24 Jan 2020 at 20:50:41 -, Curt wrote: > On 2020-01-24, Brian wrote: > > On Fri 24 Jan 2020 at 20:36:19 +0100, deloptes wrote: > > > >> Gene Heskett wrote: > >> > >> > I'll second that, its ugly stuff to try and read as text. In fact I tend > >> > to just skip over messages that have

Re: identity confusion

2020-01-24 Thread Curt
On 2020-01-24, Brian wrote: > On Fri 24 Jan 2020 at 20:36:19 +0100, deloptes wrote: > >> Gene Heskett wrote: >> >> > I'll second that, its ugly stuff to try and read as text. In fact I tend >> > to just skip over messages that have no text content. >> >> I was thinking you are using knode-trinit

Re: identity confusion

2020-01-24 Thread Brian
On Fri 24 Jan 2020 at 20:36:19 +0100, deloptes wrote: > Gene Heskett wrote: > > > I'll second that, its ugly stuff to try and read as text. In fact I tend > > to just skip over messages that have no text content. > > I was thinking you are using knode-trinity Why? Did it just pop into your mind

Re: identity confusion

2020-01-24 Thread deloptes
Gene Heskett wrote: > I'll second that, its ugly stuff to try and read as text. In fact I tend > to just skip over messages that have no text content. I was thinking you are using knode-trinity

Re: identity confusion

2020-01-24 Thread mick crane
On 2020-01-24 17:06, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 10:23:03AM -0500, Wayne Sallee wrote: [...] Thanks for the ideas. You're very welcome. One small request -- could you teach your mailer to not send HTML? I was hard-pressed to make heads or tails of your response.

Re: identity confusion

2020-01-24 Thread Reco
Hi. On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 07:06:28PM +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > FWIW, his messages display on my end as plain text; I have my client set > > up to do plain-text display only, and if a HTML-only message shows up it > > actually tends to display as *blank* [...] > > Funny. My mutt

Re: identity confusion

2020-01-24 Thread The Wanderer
uot; -> "Message Body" -> "Plain text" (vs. either "Simple HTML" or "Original HTML"), but why that's resulting in plain text for this message when I see others appear as blank I don't know. Sorry for having introduced confusion he

Re: identity confusion

2020-01-24 Thread David Wright
On Fri 24 Jan 2020 at 12:36:13 (-0500), The Wanderer wrote: > On 2020-01-24 at 12:30, Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Friday 24 January 2020 12:06:19 to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > >> On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 10:23:03AM -0500, Wayne Sallee wrote: > >> > >> > > >> > > >> > >> [...] > >> > >> > Thanks f

Re: identity confusion

2020-01-24 Thread tomas
On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 12:36:13PM -0500, The Wanderer wrote: > On 2020-01-24 at 12:30, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > On Friday 24 January 2020 12:06:19 to...@tuxteam.de wrote: [...] > >> You're very welcome. One small request -- could you teach your > >> mailer to not send HTML? I was hard-pressed

Re: identity confusion

2020-01-24 Thread John Hasler
Gene writes: > I'll second that, its ugly stuff to try and read as text. In fact I > tend to just skip over messages that have no text content. With Gnus I rarely notice that a message is in HTML: it handles it automatically. The only time it becomes a problem is when the HTML is buggy. -- John

Re: identity confusion

2020-01-24 Thread The Wanderer
On 2020-01-24 at 12:30, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Friday 24 January 2020 12:06:19 to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > >> On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 10:23:03AM -0500, Wayne Sallee wrote: >> >> > >> > >> >> [...] >> >> > Thanks for the ideas. >> >> You're very welcome. One small request -- could you teac

Re: identity confusion

2020-01-24 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 24 January 2020 12:06:19 to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 10:23:03AM -0500, Wayne Sallee wrote: > > > > > > [...] > > > Thanks for the ideas. > > You're very welcome. One small request -- could you teach your > mailer to not send HTML? I was hard-pressed to make

Re: identity confusion

2020-01-24 Thread tomas
On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 10:23:03AM -0500, Wayne Sallee wrote: > > [...] > Thanks for the ideas. You're very welcome. One small request -- could you teach your mailer to not send HTML? I was hard-pressed to make heads or tails of your response. Pretty please? Cheers & thanks -- tomás

Re: identity confusion

2020-01-24 Thread Wayne Sallee
 Original Message  *Subject: *  Re: identity confusion *From: * Tomas *To: * Debian-user *CC: * *Date: *  2020-1-24  03:44 AM On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 06:11:37PM -0500, Wayne Sallee

Re: identity confusion

2020-01-24 Thread deloptes
Wayne Sallee wrote: > This is interesting. I'm not sure what to think about this. > > on terminal, as user1 > su - > # Enter root password. so now you are root > su - user2 > # No password is needed. so now you are user2 > mysql > Access denied for user 'user1'@'localhost' (using password: NO

Re: identity confusion

2020-01-24 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 12:48:51AM -0800, didier.gau...@gmail.com wrote: > > Does the --login option provide the same result? > EXcerpt from the su man page: > "For backward compatibility, su defaults to not change the current di‐ >rectory and to only set the environment variables

Re: identity confusion

2020-01-24 Thread didier . gaumet
Does the --login option provide the same result? EXcerpt from the su man page: "For backward compatibility, su defaults to not change the current di‐ rectory and to only set the environment variables HOME and SHELL (plus USER and LOGNAME if the target user is not root). It

Re: identity confusion

2020-01-24 Thread tomas
On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 06:11:37PM -0500, Wayne Sallee wrote: > This is interesting. I'm not sure what to think about this. > > on terminal, as user1 > su - > # Enter root password. > su - user2 > # No password is needed. > mysql > Access denied for user 'user1'@'localhost' (using password: NO) A

identity confusion

2020-01-23 Thread Wayne Sallee
This is interesting. I'm not sure what to think about this. on terminal, as user1 su - # Enter root password. su - user2 # No password is needed. mysql Access denied for user 'user1'@'localhost' (using password: NO) # Now if I enter: mysql -u user2 -pmypassword # It will let me in. What surpr

Re: Upgrading from Debian 9 to Debian 10, binary format confusion

2019-10-22 Thread David
On Tue, 22 Oct 2019 at 18:14, John Conover wrote: > > I installed debian-live-10.1.0-amd64-xfce.iso from > https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/ > > Programs compiled on Debian 9, Amd64, fail to execute, with a wrong > binary format error.[1] If you don't provide the

Upgrading from Debian 9 to Debian 10, binary format confusion

2019-10-22 Thread John Conover
I installed debian-live-10.1.0-amd64-xfce.iso from https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/ Programs compiled on Debian 9, Amd64, fail to execute, with a wrong binary format error.[1] Programs compiled on Debian 8, i386, execute fine. Any help would be greatly apprec

Re: File permission confusion [Debian 9.1 with MATE]

2018-01-05 Thread Richard Hector
On 03/01/18 07:30, Brian wrote: >> Michael Stone wrote: There is nothing a user can do to *prevent* himself from destroying his own files, >> Greg Wooledge wrote: >>> Actually, there is. It's called making a backup. >> This is a very good point. > What *prevents* a user from destroying

Re: File permission confusion [Debian 9.1 with MATE]

2018-01-02 Thread Dan Purgert
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Brian wrote: > On Tue 02 Jan 2018 at 20:15:25 -, Dan Purgert wrote: > >> Greg Wooledge wrote: >> > On Tue, Jan 02, 2018 at 06:30:55PM +, Brian wrote: >> >> What *prevents* a user from destroying his own backup files? >> > >> > Intelligence, or

Re: File permission confusion [Debian 9.1 with MATE]

2018-01-02 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, Jan 02, 2018 at 09:21:30AM -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Mon, Jan 01, 2018 at 01:29:46PM -0500, Michael Stone wrote: There is nothing a user can do to *prevent* himself from destroying his own files, Actually, there is. It's called making a backup. No, that potentially allows him t

Re: File permission confusion [Debian 9.1 with MATE]

2018-01-02 Thread Curt
On 2018-01-02, Brian wrote: >> >> A question in lieu of a parable. >> Would a resident of a 25th floor flat appreciate a railing on his balcony?# > > Indubitably he would. It doesn't destroy his freedom to throw himself > over it, though. > All this talk reminds me of the collapse of the wave fu

Re: File permission confusion [Debian 9.1 with MATE]

2018-01-02 Thread Brian
On Tue 02 Jan 2018 at 20:15:25 -, Dan Purgert wrote: > Greg Wooledge wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 02, 2018 at 06:30:55PM +, Brian wrote: > >> What *prevents* a user from destroying his own backup files? > > > > Intelligence, or an air gap, or both. > > More backups? Care to put a figure on thi

Re: File permission confusion [Debian 9.1 with MATE]

2018-01-02 Thread Brian
On Tue 02 Jan 2018 at 21:03:09 +0100, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > Brian wrote: > > What *prevents* a user from destroying his own backup files? > > Having multiple backups. Some with long intervals between them and some > on write-once media. > Big fleas have little fleas upon their backs to bite

Re: File permission confusion [Debian 9.1 with MATE]

2018-01-02 Thread Dan Purgert
Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Tue, Jan 02, 2018 at 06:30:55PM +, Brian wrote: >> What *prevents* a user from destroying his own backup files? > > Intelligence, or an air gap, or both. More backups? -- |_|O|_| Registered Linux user #585947 |_|_|O| Github: https://github.com/dpurgert |O|O|O| PGP:

Re: File permission confusion [Debian 9.1 with MATE]

2018-01-02 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Brian wrote: > What *prevents* a user from destroying his own backup files? Having multiple backups. Some with long intervals between them and some on write-once media. Of course the user must recover from mental incapacity often enough to produce and verify good backups and to restore spoil

Re: File permission confusion [Debian 9.1 with MATE]

2018-01-02 Thread Brian
On Tue 02 Jan 2018 at 13:33:11 -0600, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 01/02/2018 12:41 PM, Brian wrote: > > On Tue 02 Jan 2018 at 13:34:16 -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > > > On Tue, Jan 02, 2018 at 06:30:55PM +, Brian wrote: > > > > What *prevents* a user from destroying his own backup files? >

Re: File permission confusion [Debian 9.1 with MATE]

2018-01-02 Thread Richard Owlett
On 01/02/2018 12:41 PM, Brian wrote: On Tue 02 Jan 2018 at 13:34:16 -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Tue, Jan 02, 2018 at 06:30:55PM +, Brian wrote: What *prevents* a user from destroying his own backup files? Intelligence, or an air gap, or both. The same things which prevent him from d

Re: File permission confusion [Debian 9.1 with MATE]

2018-01-02 Thread Brian
On Tue 02 Jan 2018 at 13:34:16 -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Tue, Jan 02, 2018 at 06:30:55PM +, Brian wrote: > > What *prevents* a user from destroying his own backup files? > > Intelligence, or an air gap, or both. The same things which prevent him from destroying the original files? Not

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