Re: Hugh Problem with Firefox and Debian 12

On Friday, 31-01-2025 at 12:35 Lee wrote: > On Wed, Jan 29, 2025 at 2:57 AM Jeffrey Walton wrote: > > > > On Sun, Jan 26, 2025 at 11:17 PM Maureen Thomas wrote: > > > > > > I am using an updated Debian 12 with Thurderbird and Firefox. Since the > > > updated firefox I can not use it as it free

Re: Hugh Problem with Firefox and Debian 12

On Wed, Jan 29, 2025 at 2:57 AM Jeffrey Walton wrote: > > On Sun, Jan 26, 2025 at 11:17 PM Maureen Thomas wrote: > > > > I am using an updated Debian 12 with Thurderbird and Firefox. Since the > > updated firefox I can not use it as it freezes my computer to the point > > that I have to hold the

Re: Zoom

On 31/1/25 05:16, George at Clug wrote: Bret, Thanks for replying. On Friday, 31-01-2025 at 07:31 Bret Busby wrote: On 31/1/25 04:05, George at Clug wrote: On Friday, 31-01-2025 at 01:11 Bret Busby wrote: On 30/1/25 17:44, D MacDougall wrote: On 1/29/25 21:20, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On

Re: Zoom

On Friday, 31-01-2025 at 09:07 Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > On Thursday 30 January 2025 09:11:16 am Bret Busby wrote: > > One report that was previously cited in previous discussions of zoom on > > this list, that should have been read by people recommending zoom, is > > the report at > > htt

Re: Google searches requiring JavaScript (was Re: Can a Bash function be named "w3m" ?)

On Thursday 30 January 2025 10:13:39 am Richard Owlett wrote: > > On another, I've switched search-engine defaults from > > Google to (the HTML-only version of) DuckDuckGo. So far neither is > > giving me such an obviously superior experience for me to decide to > > switch the other machine over so

Re: Zoom

On Thursday 30 January 2025 09:11:16 am Bret Busby wrote: > One report that was previously cited in previous discussions of zoom on > this list, that should have been read by people recommending zoom, is > the report at > https://www.theregister.com/2023/0/15/software_freedom_conservancy_zoom/ >

Re: Installing a debian file

I appreciate your help, but please do not run any commands on my behalf. - If any commands are recommended to be run, please just let me know what they are and I will run them. I have run the following command dpkg -l | grep -i "enteauth" > dpkg_enteauth.txt and found the contents

Re: Zoom

On Thu 30 Jan 2025 at 22:11:16 (+0800), Bret Busby wrote: > As I have previously said, the issue of zoom was previously discussed > on this list, and, people interested in considering zoom, should have > searched the list archive, and, found previous discussions relating to > zoom. > > One report

Re: Zoom

On Friday, 31-01-2025 at 07:38 Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Fri, Jan 31, 2025 at 07:05:32 +1100, George at Clug wrote: > > Is there a way to search for "zoom" in some debian-user archive? > > Google accepts "site:lists.debian.org" in its search box. > > Using this gives you a URL like >

Re: Zoom

On Fri 31 Jan 2025 at 07:05:32 (+1100), George at Clug wrote: > Is there a way to search for "zoom" in some debian-user archive? > > I found https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ ? But I am way to lazy to > search through all those pages looking to see if at any time some had made a > comment

Re: Zoom

Bret, Thanks for replying. On Friday, 31-01-2025 at 07:31 Bret Busby wrote: > On 31/1/25 04:05, George at Clug wrote: > > > > > > On Friday, 31-01-2025 at 01:11 Bret Busby wrote: > >> On 30/1/25 17:44, D MacDougall wrote: > >>> On 1/29/25 21:20, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Wed, Jan 29, 2

Re: Installing a debian file

On Thu 30 Jan 2025 at 14:27:28 (-0500), Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Thu, Jan 30, 2025 at 11:01:02 -0600, David Wright wrote: > > On Thu 30 Jan 2025 at 16:14:00 (+), Michael wrote: > > > So I downloaded the new .deb file and installed it (again using root) :- > > > > > > dpkg -i ente-auth-v4.3.

Re: Zoom

On Fri, Jan 31, 2025 at 07:05:32 +1100, George at Clug wrote: > Is there a way to search for "zoom" in some debian-user archive? Google accepts "site:lists.debian.org" in its search box. Using this gives you a URL like which is pretty

Re: Zoom

Jami looks very useful. Thanks for mentioning this program. On Friday, 31-01-2025 at 02:52 Charles Curley wrote: > On Thu, 30 Jan 2025 01:44:28 -0800 > D MacDougall wrote: > > > The Wikipedia article on Jitsi > > says that due to it's hosting on AWS Jitsi is not GDPR compliant.  Do > > you or

Re: Zoom

On 31/1/25 04:05, George at Clug wrote: On Friday, 31-01-2025 at 01:11 Bret Busby wrote: On 30/1/25 17:44, D MacDougall wrote: On 1/29/25 21:20, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Wed, Jan 29, 2025 at 12:28:55PM -0800, Donald MacDougall wrote: I've been using Zoom from the beginning of the Corona v

Re: Zoom

On Friday, 31-01-2025 at 01:11 Bret Busby wrote: > On 30/1/25 17:44, D MacDougall wrote: > > On 1/29/25 21:20, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > >> On Wed, Jan 29, 2025 at 12:28:55PM -0800, Donald MacDougall wrote: > >>> I've been using Zoom from the beginning of the Corona virus epidemic > >>> [...] >

Re: Can a Bash function be named "w3m" ?

On Thu 30 Jan 2025 at 05:52:02 (-0800), Will Mengarini wrote: > * Roger Price [25-01/30=Th 13:59 +0100]: > > $wrongCodeForCheckingWhetherAliasExists && unalias w3m > > When I want to unalias something that might already be unaliased (as > when it's in .bashrc), I just code > unalias foo 2>/dev/

Re: Installing a debian file

On Thu, Jan 30, 2025 at 04:42:02PM +, Michael wrote: > The deb names may be unconventional but the executables worked (at least > v4.2.8 worked). They are IMHO wrong, since they quite probably will end up as *different packages* instead of as *different versions of a package*. If you just ins

Re: Installing a debian file

On Thu, Jan 30, 2025 at 11:01:02 -0600, David Wright wrote: > On Thu 30 Jan 2025 at 16:14:00 (+), Michael wrote: > > So I downloaded the new .deb file and installed it (again using root) :- > > > > dpkg -i ente-auth-v4.3.1-x86_64.deb > > I would purge the old package (first backing up any o

Re: Can a Bash function be named "w3m" ?

On Thu, Jan 30, 2025 at 11:17 AM Will Mengarini wrote: > [...] > Speaking of w3m, was anybody part of its dev team long enough > ago to know what happened to it? When I tried to join its > mailing list linked from I got > no response, even though I tried twice, a fe

Re: Installing a debian file

On Thu 30 Jan 2025 at 16:14:00 (+), Michael wrote: > I ran, as root :- > > dpkg -i ente-auth-v4.2.8-x86_64.deb Running apt install path-to/ente-auth-v4.2.8-x86_64.deb will check for dependencies etc. (You must include the path.) It will also log a record of what was installed or removed

Re: Ente Auth install problems [WAS Installing a debian file]

On Thu, Jan 30, 2025 at 04:14:00PM +, Michael wrote: > Thanks very much for your help and suggestions. > > I am running Debian 12 on a desktop. > > My aim is to set up and use a TOTP authenticator app called Ente Auth. > As far as I can see, this is a third party package from https://github

Re: Installing a debian file

The deb names may be unconventional but the executables worked (at least v4.2.8 worked). Can you please suggest suitable Debian package management commands to use to investigate the current status of the v4.2.8 and v4.3.1 data in the Debian system. On Thu, Jan 30, 2025, 4:26 PM wrote: > On Thu,

Re: Installing a debian file

On Thu, Jan 30, 2025 at 04:14:00PM +, Michael wrote: > Thanks very much for your help and suggestions. > > I am running Debian 12 on a desktop. > > My aim is to set up and use a TOTP authenticator app called Ente Auth. > > I ran, as root :- > > dpkg -i ente-auth-v4.2.8-x86_64.deb [...]

Installing a debian file

Thanks very much for your help and suggestions. I am running Debian 12 on a desktop. My aim is to set up and use a TOTP authenticator app called Ente Auth. I ran, as root :- dpkg -i ente-auth-v4.2.8-x86_64.deb to create an executable file enteauth, which runs the Ente Auth app. The app wor

Re: how to prevent evolution from archiving mails?

On Thu, 2025-01-30 at 06:02 +0100, hw wrote: > On Sun, 2025-01-26 at 18:30 +0300, Andrii Kalashnykov wrote: > > > On Sun, 2025-01-26 at 14:08 +0100, hw wrote: > > > > -- 8< - cut - 8< -- > > > > > Yes, I did that and before that, the folder used to

Re: Zoom

On Thu, 30 Jan 2025 01:44:28 -0800 D MacDougall wrote: > The Wikipedia article on Jitsi > says that due to it's hosting on AWS Jitsi is not GDPR compliant.  Do > you or anyone have alternative that can be said with confidence to be > better? Jami is package in Debian and does not use a centra

Re: Google searches requiring JavaScript (was Re: Can a Bash function be named "w3m" ?)

On 1/30/25 8:15 AM, The Wanderer wrote: On 2025-01-30 at 08:52, Will Mengarini wrote: w3m needs some serious maintenance. It's still my favorite browser, but I hear Google is planning to start requiring Javascript for searches, so somebody's going to have to step up if w3m is to remain viable.

Re: Installing a debian file

On Thu, Jan 30, 2025 at 02:22:44PM +, Michael wrote: > I installed a debian file (db1'say) using dpkg -i and an executable file > (ex1 say) was created. > Hi Michael, Can we have some specifics? Version of Debian, name of executables, whether one came from outside main Debian repository, ple

Re: Zoom

D MacDougall wrote: > From only the Wikipedia report and no further reading it's not clear to me > whether using a web browser to attend a zoom meeting would be any safer than > using the native application and I'm not doing international diplomatic > negotiations anyway.  All I can say is that it

Re: LightDM and .dmrc

On 30/01/2025 17:11, Nicolas George wrote: I want a display manager that Do you have a choice if some users need GNOME? I recall it complained when started by any DM other than GDM. The latter has some D-Bus methods in addition to "standard" XDG org.freedesktop.* ones. (For me there was a bl

Re: Can a Bash function be named "w3m" ?

On Thu, 30 Jan 2025, Loris Bennett wrote: > Roger Price writes: > > [[ $(type -t w3m) == "w3m" ]] && unalias w3m > > Shouldn't that be > > [[ $(type -t w3m) == "alias" ]] && unalias w3m You are right! From the Bash man page: type [-aftpP] name [name ...] With no options, indic

Re: Installing a debian file

On Thu, Jan 30, 2025 at 02:22:44PM +, Michael wrote: > I installed a debian file (db1'say) using dpkg -i and an executable file > (ex1 say) was created. > > Later another debian file (db2) was installed, overwriting the executable > ex1. This shouldn't happen in a correctly built Debian packa

Installing a debian file

I installed a debian file (db1'say) using dpkg -i and an executable file (ex1 say) was created. Later another debian file (db2) was installed, overwriting the executable ex1. I now wish to overwrite ex1 with the data in db1, so I tried to install db1 again, but nothing seemed to happen. Did noth

Google searches requiring JavaScript (was Re: Can a Bash function be named "w3m" ?)

On 2025-01-30 at 08:52, Will Mengarini wrote: > w3m needs some serious maintenance. It's still my favorite browser, > but I hear Google is planning to start requiring Javascript for > searches, so somebody's going to have to step up if w3m is to remain > viable. Planning to? They already have -

Re: Zoom

On 30/1/25 17:44, D MacDougall wrote: On 1/29/25 21:20, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Wed, Jan 29, 2025 at 12:28:55PM -0800, Donald MacDougall wrote: I've been using Zoom from the beginning of the Corona virus epidemic [...] and haven't had any trouble that I think could be related to Zoom [...]

Re: Can a Bash function be named "w3m" ?

* Roger Price [25-01/30=Th 13:59 +0100]: > $wrongCodeForCheckingWhetherAliasExists && unalias w3m When I want to unalias something that might already be unaliased (as when it's in .bashrc), I just code unalias foo 2>/dev/null because file descriptor 2 is the standard error output. > w3m() { /

Re: Can a Bash function be named "w3m" ?

Roger Price writes: > On a Debian 12 machine with bash 5.2.15-2+b7, I had this alias in my .bashrc > > alias w3m='/usr/bin/w3m -no-cookie -o auto-image=TRUE ' > > I understand that aliases are frowned on and should be written as functions, > so > I wrote > > [[ $(type -t w3m) == "w3m" ]] && u

Re: Can a Bash function be named "w3m" ?

On Thu, 30 Jan 2025, Greg Wooledge wrote: > You need to unalias w3m first. That's the real answer here. I wrote [[ $(type -t w3m) == "w3m" ]] && unalias w3m w3m() { /usr/bin/w3m -no-cookie -o auto-image=TRUE $@ ; } which I understood is sufficient to unalias the name w3m before defining the

Re: Can a Bash function be named "w3m" ?

On Thu, Jan 30, 2025 at 08:18:26AM -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Thu, Jan 30, 2025 at 14:10:33 +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > Try prefixing the thing with the builtin `function': > > > > function w3m() ... > > That would still leave the alias in place, though. So, both the alias > and t

Re: Can a Bash function be named "w3m" ?

On Thu, Jan 30, 2025 at 14:10:33 +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > Try prefixing the thing with the builtin `function': > > function w3m() ... That would still leave the alias in place, though. So, both the alias and the function would be defined. The alias will win out, I believe, if you actu

Re: LightDM and .dmrc

Nicolas George writes: > Loris Bennett (12025-01-30): >> Regarding (1) for Gnome, does the recipe described here >> >> >> https://help.gnome.org/admin/system-admin-guide/stable/login-userlist-disable.html.en >> >> not work? If not, how does it fail? > > Just a few lines later in the mail yo

Re: Can a Bash function be named "w3m" ?

On Thu, Jan 30, 2025 at 08:13:15AM -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Thu, Jan 30, 2025 at 13:59:37 +0100, Roger Price wrote: > > alias w3m='/usr/bin/w3m -no-cookie -o auto-image=TRUE ' > > > w3m() { /usr/bin/w3m -no-cookie -o auto-image=TRUE $@ ; } > > > > and received the error message > > > >

Re: Can a Bash function be named "w3m" ?

On Thu, Jan 30, 2025 at 13:59:37 +0100, Roger Price wrote: > alias w3m='/usr/bin/w3m -no-cookie -o auto-image=TRUE ' > w3m() { /usr/bin/w3m -no-cookie -o auto-image=TRUE $@ ; } > > and received the error message > > bash: .bashrc: line 86: syntax error near unexpected token `(' > bash: .bash

Re: Can a Bash function be named "w3m" ?

On Thu, Jan 30, 2025 at 01:59:37PM +0100, Roger Price wrote: > On a Debian 12 machine with bash 5.2.15-2+b7, I had this alias in my .bashrc > > alias w3m='/usr/bin/w3m -no-cookie -o auto-image=TRUE ' > > I understand that aliases are frowned on and should be written as functions, > so > I wrot

Can a Bash function be named "w3m" ?

On a Debian 12 machine with bash 5.2.15-2+b7, I had this alias in my .bashrc alias w3m='/usr/bin/w3m -no-cookie -o auto-image=TRUE ' I understand that aliases are frowned on and should be written as functions, so I wrote [[ $(type -t w3m) == "w3m" ]] && unalias w3m w3m() { /usr/bin/w3m -no-c

Re: debian testing, confusing message during upgrade openjdk-17-jre-headless

Jonathan Dowland wrote: > On Wed Jan 29, 2025 at 10:52 AM GMT, songbird wrote: >> Setting up openjdk-17-jre-headless:amd64 (17.0.14+7-1) ... >> update-binfmts: warning: current package is openjdk-21, but binary format >> already installed by openjdk-9 > > What do you have in /usr/share/binfmts ?

Re: LightDM and .dmrc

Loris Bennett (12025-01-30): > Regarding (1) for Gnome, does the recipe described here > > > https://help.gnome.org/admin/system-admin-guide/stable/login-userlist-disable.html.en > > not work? If not, how does it fail? Just a few lines later in the mail you are replying to: >> - gdm3 uses s

Re: LightDM and .dmrc

Nicolas George writes: [snip (32 lines)] > I want a display manager that > (1) does not try to display a list of users, there are thousands; > (2) lets users choose their session type, remembers the choice and takes > it into account; > (3) has a eye button to see the password being typed. >

Re: LightDM and .dmrc

Nicolas George (12025-01-30): > So, in short, and in reverse order: > > With gdm3, users are logged into the kind of session they used last. > > With lightdm with users list, same. > > With lighdm and the default config of hidden users list, users are > logged into the kind of session chosen by

Re: LightDM and .dmrc

didier gaumet (12025-01-30): > (Warning: I've never really tried to modify the LightDM setup and I > presently use gdm3) > > Perhaps you will find answers on the GIT page of LightDM (section > "Configuration"): > https://github.com/canonical/lightdm?tab=readme-ov-file#configuration > > and on thi

Re: LightDM and .dmrc

Le 30/01/2025 à 10:39, didier gaumet a écrit : [...] user-session is not set in Debian LightDM setup: if you want the default session to be the last, perhaps you can try assigning "last" value to it (I don't know, I have tried it) I should read my posts before posting: "(I don't know, I have

Re: Zoom

On 1/29/25 21:20, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Wed, Jan 29, 2025 at 12:28:55PM -0800, Donald MacDougall wrote: I've been using Zoom from the beginning of the Corona virus epidemic [...] and haven't had any trouble that I think could be related to Zoom [...] Thanks for your report. Prompted by thi

Re: debian testing, confusing message during upgrade openjdk-17-jre-headless

On Wed Jan 29, 2025 at 10:52 AM GMT, songbird wrote: Setting up openjdk-17-jre-headless:amd64 (17.0.14+7-1) ... update-binfmts: warning: current package is openjdk-21, but binary format already installed by openjdk-9 What do you have in /usr/share/binfmts ? -- Please do not CC me for listmail

Re: LightDM and .dmrc

Hello Nicolas, (Warning: I've never really tried to modify the LightDM setup and I presently use gdm3) Perhaps you will find answers on the GIT page of LightDM (section "Configuration"): https://github.com/canonical/lightdm?tab=readme-ov-file#configuration and on this page which details all

LightDM and .dmrc

Hi. I just ran the following tests with lightdm (and the default Gtk greeter, but the same issue seems to be happening with slick and arctica. Please see below for a summary: - type login utest - select fvwm in menu - type password - fvwm session opens - log out - `~utest/.dmrc` contains `Session