On Friday, 31-01-2025 at 01:11 Bret Busby wrote: > On 30/1/25 17:44, D MacDougall wrote: > > On 1/29/25 21:20, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > >> On Wed, Jan 29, 2025 at 12:28:55PM -0800, Donald MacDougall wrote: > >>> I've been using Zoom from the beginning of the Corona virus epidemic > >>> [...] > >>> and haven't had any trouble that I think could be related to Zoom [...] > >> Thanks for your report. Prompted by this thread I went to the Wikipedia. > >> > >> After having read that, I'll try not to use Zoom (and to convince others > >> to do likewise) as far as I can. > >> > >> Cheers > > Just now I read the article in Wikipedia and realized that I had read it > > before several years ago. There were a considerable number of security > > issues back in 2020. I haven't spent the time to go through them all in > > detail. My university was involved in the early development of Zoom for > > use in teaching university classes. I was not personally involved in > > this. From those who were, I understood that the company was very > > responsive to requests for features that were needed to make it useful > > for the university. This was all going on before the pandemic started > > and the use of Zoom exploded overnight. I was impressed with how fast > > they were able to scale up. They were there at the right time. I > > think many of the problems resulted from this unexpected growth. It was > > tested in the fire, so to speak. The security reports in Wikipedia were > > all from 2020 or earlier, and nothing seems to have been added since. > > Perhaps there are but I didn't see anything and haven't heard of > > anything, so, optimistically I've been thinking that the problems have > > been mostly ironed out. > > > > From only the Wikipedia report and no further reading it's not clear to > > me whether using a web browser to attend a zoom meeting would be any > > safer than using the native application and I'm not doing international > > diplomatic negotiations anyway. All I can say is that it's been working > > flawlessly for me for 4 or 5 years and has been improving quite a bit as > > time goes by. If your need is to attend Zoom meetings, you can't just > > use Jitsi instead. And I have always wondered, if Jitsi or any other > > app were used as much by as many people as Zoom has been, how many > > security flaws would be found in them. The Wikipedia article on Jitsi > > says that due to it's hosting on AWS Jitsi is not GDPR compliant. Do > > you or anyone have alternative that can be said with confidence to be > > better? > > > > Don MacDougall > > > > As I have previously said, the issue of zoom was previously discussed on > this list, and, people interested in considering zoom, should have > searched the list archive, and, found previous discussions relating to zoom. Is there a way to search for "zoom" in some debian-user archive? I found https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ ? But I am way to lazy to search through all those pages looking to see if at any time some had made a comment about Zoom that is likely to be outdated by this time. 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I found those list > > One report that was previously cited in previous discussions of zoom on > this list, that should have been read by people recommending zoom, is > the report at > https://www.theregister.com/2023/0/15/software_freedom_conservancy_zoom/ > > But, if you want to record what goes on in the bathrooms of your houses, I fail to understand? How does using Zoom in a web browser on your desktop computer in your private study some how affect the privacy of " the bathrooms of your houses" ? > and, the sex lives and nude imagery of your wives and daughters, and, > broadcast them on the World Wide web, then, sure, go ahead and use zoom, We used Zoom in our work environment, it was password protected, no bombing (we knew who was or was not supposed to be in a meeting). I am concerned that I may have missed some important articles on what Zoom was doing? But I am at a loss of how on a technical level the above concerns could be realised? Unless you have only one room in your house, and everyone walks around naked all the time. I am curious about "upskirt videos" and cars? How is that even possible? > to your hearts content. Such is the nature of zoom, like the pedo guy's > cars, that have been reported to have cameras specially placed in them, > to record and transmit back to the car manufacturer's headquarters, such > material as upskirt videos and photographs, for the pleasure of the > world's richest pervert. > > Who needs or wants privacy and security, anyway? > > .. > Bret Busby > Armadale > West Australia > (UTC+0800) > .............. > >
